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Comparison between overseas vs local graduates, who earn more? who has more potential?
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moon yuen
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 May 18 2008, 11:11 PM
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QUOTE(bcktang @ May 18 2008, 08:39 PM) A oversea student may not have a superior advantage over the local grads. This is true when the oversea student stick only to themselves or ppl from the same country. If you look at a lot of chinese students from china, they tend to group with fellow students who are from china, and this i can say is the same for most tarcian who came over to the uk for the 3mth degree program, bird of a feather flocks together.... that's a common thing, edit.... no matter where u grad or what college or uni u grad, the work attitude and character is more important than the degree. i m living with a chinese from china who has been in the uk for 4 yrs , done his degree n masters, still is rubbish at work, even though from top uni.... london imperial college..... he also does not speak and understand english at that level of a form3 SK sudent is msia.... My boyfriend is TARC graduate ! aND tarc TOP UP PRGRAMME is only for TARCIAN, they are no toehr foreign students studying at that point of time. It is their vacation. THAT means no foreign students schoolamate in the UK university |
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justin_nys
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May 18 2008, 11:26 PM
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QUOTE(winner @ May 18 2008, 07:53 PM) This is another scenario: Candidate A: overseas grad with 2nd upper class Candidate B: local grad with 2nd upper class too Both are freshies. Which one do you think the company will employ? In this case, I'll hire the one with a better communication skill and attitude. If both are still as good in these, I'll hire the cheaper one  |
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Brotherjoe
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May 18 2008, 11:43 PM
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This topic sounds more like comparing a rich child vs a poor child (who can only afford to study locally and obtain a cheap local degree)..
To be frank, whether you are a local or "oversea" graduates.. it is not important. as long as your interviewer sees you that you have a potential growth in the company, you are hired.
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seantang
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May 19 2008, 12:15 AM
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QUOTE(Brotherjoe @ May 18 2008, 11:43 PM) This topic sounds more like comparing a rich child vs a poor child (who can only afford to study locally and obtain a cheap local degree).. Not necessarily. Some people worked their asses off while studying to pay for their fees. That's why I always ask interviewees how they funded their degrees. If they worked while studying, and still got good results and promotions - that says a whole lot about their ability and character. And though they are fresh graduates, they come with experience. |
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bysquashy
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May 19 2008, 12:35 AM
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Honestly, what's most important is the interview.
This is from personal experience, I've been hired by Japanese, Malaysian and China MNC and they don't give a damn about me graduating from UTHM.
Didn't ring any bells ei? Cause it's a small public uni which got upgraded to be on par with the full fledge local unis.
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Brotherjoe
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May 19 2008, 12:44 AM
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Sorry off topic..
Errr.. Where is UTHM?
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Xing Fang
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May 19 2008, 01:29 PM
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QUOTE(roy_zu @ May 15 2008, 12:08 PM) I'm a foreign graduate as well from UK.. But i still get paid like local graduate... It's all depends on experiences and ur skills... Y u get pay like local student? You should get many and many thousand $$$$ +++++. this mean u no skill? What oversea Uni u study? Arsenal University? Manchester University? This post has been edited by Xing Fang: May 19 2008, 01:30 PM |
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AEROZ
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May 19 2008, 01:42 PM
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I personally finds that overseas grad fares better in experimentation & initiatives compared to local grads....maybe it's due to the syllabus difference (local uni stress on exams & grades)...as far as I know, local uni grads just like to copy & study the materials given (not an offence as I'm also a local grad myself)...when problem comes...hardly any idea to solve...but there are also good local grads at work place...so it all boils down to the person's personality & passion in work...a top grad but lazy & attitude problem...also cannot excel in work rite?
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tzeyin
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May 19 2008, 01:51 PM
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a student may grad from foreign uni / coll but still fail the interview while a local grad may pass . it all depends on individuals
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Brotherjoe
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May 19 2008, 01:55 PM
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Btw, how many of you graduated from local university..
I'm one for the local uni graduates
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pnqiu
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May 19 2008, 02:05 PM
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i just graduated from germany..still looking for a job..got a couple of interviews...but still looking for the better one.. and yeah..they all treated me like others..no special treatment here...
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tzeyin
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May 19 2008, 02:06 PM
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i m local uni............
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winner
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May 19 2008, 03:05 PM
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If both candidates are equally good - academic results, communication skill, personality, attitude, potential and expected salary are the same, you must accept the fact that the candidate with overseas degree will be given priority.
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sbd18
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May 19 2008, 03:55 PM
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the thinking of overseas grad is better than local is more towards them gaining experience of being independant and mixing around with people outside their usual environment...indirectly improving your social and communication skills...
sadly its not true for msians because many overseas grads go there and mix with their own kind...like a mini msia...some even come back worse than before they left...so in my opinion its too subjective...
at the end of the day when i interview someone...ill hire the one with better communication skills and positive attitude...where the degree comes from doesn't matter much...
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winner
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May 19 2008, 04:00 PM
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QUOTE(sbd18 @ May 19 2008, 03:55 PM) the thinking of overseas grad is better than local is more towards them gaining experience of being independant and mixing around with people outside their usual environment...indirectly improving your social and communication skills... sadly its not true for msians because many overseas grads go there and mix with their own kind...like a mini msia...some even come back worse than before they left...so in my opinion its too subjective... at the end of the day when i interview someone...ill hire the one with better communication skills and positive attitude...where the degree comes from doesn't matter much... Yes, I do agree that evaluation on contribution to the company is more important. But just look at what I wrote earlier, if both candidates are equally good in attitude, qualification and communication skill, who will you hire? Please accept the fact.  |
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dinozilla
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May 19 2008, 07:01 PM
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as one of the above guy said....cheapest 1....
will u pay higher if u can pay cheaper to get the same or better work done?
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blessedvillain
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May 19 2008, 07:40 PM
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i once heard my father's friend who is the director of HR department in some MNC company said that, overseas grads are more confident, more gracious, more out-spoken if compared to normal typical local grads, thus they have higher chance in getting to the top position.
but again, this depends on individuals also. not all overseas grads are out-spoken..
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seantang
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May 19 2008, 07:58 PM
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QUOTE(blessedvillain @ May 19 2008, 07:40 PM) but again, this depends on individuals also. not all overseas grads are out-spoken.. Of course it depends on the individual. But unless you know each and every prospective employee very well, hiring is a game of odds and probabilities. And the odds are that a foreign trained graduate will turn out more adept at speaking out, independent thinking, initiative and unstructured problem solving - compared to his local counterpart. Especially if they come from a reputable foreign university. Locally, I'm afraid, there are no reputable institutions left. This post has been edited by seantang: May 19 2008, 07:59 PM |
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s[H]sIkuA
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May 19 2008, 09:12 PM
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Its all about the first impression seriously. If you are overseas grads, you might have a better chance to get hired in your interview and get a good starting pay.
On the other hand, if you are a local grads but have a very strong skill in whatever you do, you will still outperform the one with the overseas cert. Yes, you might start a bit lower, but once the boss saw your performance, and if you perform badly, even your so called "superior-Overseas-cert" won't save you
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seantang
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May 19 2008, 09:25 PM
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QUOTE(s[H) sIkuA,May 19 2008, 09:12 PM]Its all about the first impression seriously. If you are overseas grads, you might have a better chance to get hired in your interview and get a good starting pay.
On the other hand, if you are a local grads but have a very strong skill in whatever you do, you will still outperform the one with the overseas cert. Yes, you might start a bit lower, but once the boss saw your performance, and if you perform badly, even your so called "superior-Overseas-cert" won't save you Like someone said earlier, let's compare apples to apples. Try not to go off on a tangent and take a 'good' local vs a 'bad' foreign. Skewed comparisons work the other way as well. If 2 candidates were absolutely identical in terms of their personal traits, just that one had a local degree and the other a foreign degree - then it's inevitable that the foreign degree holder has an advantage. It might be large or small, but it's an advantage nonetheless. And most times, when bosses can't make up their mind between 2 candidates' skills and personalities, the better recognised qualification will tip the scales. Easily justifiable within an objective assessment system. This post has been edited by seantang: May 19 2008, 09:26 PM |
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