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 2008 Mazda6 2.5 vs 2008 Accord 2.4, Compare 2 hot models from Honda & Mazda

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post Aug 11 2008, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Aug 11 2008, 01:11 PM)
I have to say, there is one color which the Mazda 6 really looks terrible in.

It's dark blue / purplish color. I'm sorry to say this, but that color is totally wrong for the M6. Not only does it make the lights look odd, it makes the car looks benglish. Stick to the white or black if you buy M6 guys, coz the blue/dark purple scheme is just wrong.
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Ya..i hate that color too...even on any car. It look even worse on a Camry...
I will most likely go for the undercarriage autofoam... the rear seat is the only thing the remove right?
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post Aug 13 2008, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Aug 12 2008, 10:55 PM)
Honda's strategy for this generation is heading more towards upmarket. The choice of using the Honda Inspire as the Accord for the rest of the world shows the shift from sportiness to luxury. I think along they way, they had to make some sacrifices to the equipment in order to maintain their pricing against their competitors.

By the way, the cars assembled in the Honda Melaka plant are only sold for use in Malaysia. The Thai factory on the other hand, assembles and exports theirs to Australia and the rest of the Asean countries. I guess the quality of the Malaysian assembled Hondas just aren't good enough.  sweat.gif

It's not likely the Mazda 6 will outsell the Camry or Accord anytime soon, but its definitely in the position to fill the gap left by Nissan. Nissan's choice to continue selling the Cefiro and the Sentra just don't make a lot of sense to me. Both cars are definitely past their sell by date.
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All this while Honda has always position Accord in a luxury market..By using Inspire for this Accord is merely to satisfy the US market for their demand of big cars...Americans are always fond of big car with big engine..thats why even Mazda have a bigger M6 with bigger engine for them now...Same goes to the Australian and some Asian countries....It is more important now that the Americans are buying sedan instead of fuel guzzler SUVs..
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post Aug 13 2008, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(kizuna6 @ Aug 13 2008, 01:08 AM)
today bought taiwan motor magazine June'08 edition which compare new Accord 2.4 vs Mazda 6 2.5 and new Accord 2.0 vs Mazda 6 2.0.

Accord 2.4 was prefer slightly than Mazda 6 2.5 due to its spacious cabin and assesories in which Mazda 6 2.5 lost out without bluetooth and back windows shade. hmm...

On the other hand, Mazda 6 2.0 earn more points than Accord 2.0 as the Mazda 6 2.0 (Taiwan version) was well equiped with assesories and it has proven that MZR is better than i-Vtec.
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I think they are just comparing features available in Taiwan.....Mazda 6 also have features like bluetooth but its not available here...as for back window shade..this is only good for an executive car not on a sportier car like Mazda 6..There are actually more features in this Mazda 6 thats not avail here like tyre pressure monitoring, navigation, 4WD, remote power window, RVM - warn you on vehicle coming from behind and side while traveling at high speed...another feature is where the car alerts you when travel above certain speed and approaching very near to a car in front of you just like a plane that warn the pilot with different buzzer according to distance...

You know my first and third tank of petrol is Caltex and 2nd is Shell...Both tank on Caltex give me 520km but Shell gives me 560km...plus and minus with my different driving styles, the different should be around 30km more on Shell...but I notice even on my old car, Shell gives better mileage but less power...

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post Aug 17 2008, 08:19 AM

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For me its great that Mazda did not follow others on the paddle shift setting..what if when you try to shift up when revving at high rpm only to accidentally shift down? Beside the extra two down button really makes the steering even more cool...

billy, IMO european engine amd gearbox especially Audi, Volkswagen are far more advance than the japs...like the new A4, is only 1.8L but its turbo, produce more than 160hp and yet sip petrol even lesser than a Honda City...and the 8 speed gearbox also play a role here...All japs engine are quite similar to each other....though 2.5 M6 produces 170hp vs Accord 2.4 at 180hp...you will see the advantage on the 2.5 M6 as it will not stress the engine much when you rev at high RPM.Besides you can easily increase the 170hp to more than 180hp by tuning it or adding a chip tuning..is only the matter of whether the manufacturer want to increase more HP to it. They have to take fuel consumption into consideration too....
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post Aug 17 2008, 10:08 PM

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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Aug 17 2008, 04:47 PM)
And they both have LED rear lights and ISOFIX seats is quite standard even in my car. It's not stated on the website, but it is in the car manual (ISOFIX).
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Accord dont have LED in their rear light....only Camry and Mazda 6...and Accord don't even have projector light...


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QUOTE(genkis3 @ Aug 17 2008, 06:30 PM)
tinting and better leather seat can always get from shop, but those rain sensing wiper,auto headlight,paddle shift can't. only chance is get from bermaz. but i doubt bermaz will have optional install those gadget. if they have, i think many 2.0l m6 owner will tempting to upgrade their underspec m6.
so in my opinion, i rather get tinting and better leather seat from shop myself than losing other features in car. except 18" wheels, coz i feel after market wheels look better.
the owner of m6 said the leather seat is consider higher grade than accord,but i dono how's it compare with Nappa.
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I agree with you..things like tint and leather seat can be done here...even Nappa is avail here...and we can customize according to our own preference...features such as rain sensing, auto headlamp, paddle shift are something you can't get it done....

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post Aug 19 2008, 11:38 AM

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You know...ppl who says those extra features in Mazda 6 as 'useless' is like telling someone why buy a Rolex or Piaget when you can get correct time with Seiko or Casio? These are the ppl who will usually buy a Toyota or Honda..IMO Mazda owners are more passionate and sophisticated when it comes to owning a car.....It is all individual preference..Some may find it useless but others might appreciate it...At least we know, Singaporean really appreciate it..

As far as i know, if you put bigger rim like 18' to a OEM 16' car, you need to change the suspension too...because the big rim, you need a harder suspension setup...I m not sure if they have the same bearing too....
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post Aug 19 2008, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Aug 19 2008, 01:19 PM)
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I think I just made a mistake on the 407, which is a 2.0L car right?

The comparison should be with the Peugeot 407 2.0 vs the Mazda 6 2.0 vs the Accord 2.0 and the Camry 2.0

Camry: RM 151,246.10
Accord: RM 141,800.00
Mazda 6: RM 147k+
Peugeot 407: RM 133k+

The price difference is about over 10k and better loaded with features and this difference becomes even more glaring vs. the 2.4&2.5 variants. Still, even though the Accord and Peugeot fall under CKD, you really have to wonder if they pay the same kind of taxes  hmm.gif Huge price discrepancy.

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More interestingly now is Volvo's move, to quote from motortrader
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I hv to agree with some who said 407 is a old model...Yes, continental cars normally change their model later than the japanese but this 407 is already almost 5 years...Obviously globally the demand will be much lower now....
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post Aug 19 2008, 10:59 PM

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Actually the navigation and DVD is inexpensive these days...I doubt Naza will put in a Kenwood DVD or other branded DVD...THese days you can get a DVD (china brand) or sat nav for less than 1K....


Added on August 19, 2008, 11:05 pm
QUOTE(zweimmk @ Aug 19 2008, 08:55 PM)
In conclusion:


In terms of build quality and NVH, the Mazda 6 2.5L is a CBU unit from Japan while the Accord is a CKD unit from Melaka. Preliminary reports suggest Honda having problems keeping consistent quality but then again they have a bigger volume and a bigger support network while the Mazda marque is still limited to certain parts of Malaysia. In the grand scheme of things, they looks quite even for now.

Winner: Draw (for now)
No its not...you have forgotten that Honda Malaysia only produce cars for Malaysia market, Mazda 6 was made in Japan from the same factory for the whole world including Malaysia...therefore the volume is much much higher than the made in malaysia hondas....

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post Aug 28 2008, 10:20 AM

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ShiBaL, thks for reminding me..totally forgotten and congrat...The Mazdaspeed emblem with me now. I ordered 6 to get the price at RM90 each. Already stick it below the 2.5 emblem in my car. Jchue, billy, genkis and all M6 owners, you guys interested? Please..otherwise I will be stuck with all these emblem with me...maybe we should get Lowyat kaki like jchue, genkis, billy for drink together..

More than a month of driving this beauty..still having fun. IMO Accord and Camry will need another generation just to match this car..All the talk about the noisy engine is totally unfounded..another auntie, uncle, neighbor talk. The engine is much more quieter than any car in its class..everything are neatly setup, even the suspensions are covered properly..now with autofoam and dynamat sound proof..really a cut above.

I hv the solution on the wind noise already...not perfect but it helps to reduce a bit. Just buy a silicon spray and spray it on the door rubber seal..those guys at autofoam did it on my car..

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post Aug 29 2008, 10:05 AM

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Will give it to you on our TT...

Bad thing about autofoam? Never heard about it before..As i mentioned earlier this Mazda 6 is extremely quiet..Autofoam helps very little in this area but you feel much better going over uneven roads and the car feels heavier...Dynamat sound proof will make ur car even more quiet...the door also feel more solid...

Mazdaspeed emblem is made of alloy. Show it to you on our TT. Is custom made so its not available outside..




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post Sep 8 2008, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(Kentthye @ Sep 7 2008, 12:30 AM)
Love 2008 Accord aggresive looking ... icon_rolleyes.gif [attachmentid=583813][attachmentid=583814]
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Typical Ah Beng.....
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post Sep 10 2008, 03:07 PM

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I think the main reason is as usual.....Malaysian mentality of either buy a Honda or Toyota or maybe alot of Ah Bengs and Uncles in this country?? yawn.gif When we talk about Mazda 6 and Accord, yes Mazda less aggressive marketing and also because of ppl who can afford this car are usually above 30 or 40. So the chances of them buying a sporty car like Mazda is very slim..They will usually prefer a more conservative design like the Camry or Accord..Mazda targets ppl with young heart.... biggrin.gif


Added on September 10, 2008, 3:14 pm
QUOTE(zweimmk @ Sep 10 2008, 01:11 PM)

While we think the Mazda 6 is a better looking car, the general population of Malaysia thinks otherwise. Looks are subjective anyways


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So far I dont hear anyone say Accord is a better looking car after they saw the Mazda 6. better looking than Camry? maybe.... Mazda 6? No way...
They bought it instead of Mazda 6 is because of some other reasons and definitely not the look...Did you know most of them that booked the car before it was launched actually don't even know how the car looks like? Thats the Malaysian herd mentality...


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post Sep 11 2008, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(rstusa @ Sep 11 2008, 12:21 PM)
I think Mazda 6 still lose some specs in terms of luxury & silent compare with accord & camry.
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another one here..... yawn.gif yawn.gif go test drive this Mazda 6 and you will say the opposite after that.....


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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Sep 11 2008, 12:29 PM)
In what way? You have to be more specific:

It's already known that the car handles better than the Accord 2.4 and the Camry 2.4
It's already known that the car is more silent than the Accord 2.4, not sure about Camry 2.4
It's already known that the equipment level in Mazda 6 2.5L version is better than the Accord 2.4 and Camry 2.4

The only real advantage the Accord 2.4 have is that it's a slightly larger car and argubly, LOOKS more luxurious.

Anyway, I'm interested to know what you think in the Accord is better than Mazda 6?
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I agree Accord looks more luxurious while Mazda 6 looks more elegant..


We hv TT at Aman Suria this Friday...billy,jchue,zweimmk,genkis come and meet up.

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