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Dec 17 2016, 08:40 PM
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My house currently got 3 aircon (total 3.5hp), 3 water heater and 1 refrigerator. Plan to add another 1 unit (1hp). Attached my current house meter and db board (single phase electricity). Can my house support concurrent use of 4 airxon on the same times ( total 4.5 hp). The new aircon i plan to install now dont have aircon power point, maybe will loop from the power point socket inside the room (second floor room, db board in first floor, so quite expensive if get the wiring direct from db board). Any sifu can advise here?
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Dec 18 2016, 12:26 PM
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QUOTE(weikee @ Dec 18 2016, 11:36 AM) Concurrent of 4 ac of yours is ok, but you have to aware of the situation if by any time switch on two of the water heater you will risk tripping the main fuse/burned the main fused (if older type of fused). Also make sure all the water heater and ac run independent circuit any sharing will risk burning the wires (worse your house) Just ask electrician to come over to inspect my house, he recommend me to change this 2 items (attached picture). Quote me RM400 for it,expensive?Attached thumbnail(s) |
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Dec 18 2016, 01:09 PM
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Dec 19 2016, 11:28 AM
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QUOTE(weikee @ Dec 18 2016, 01:26 PM) The outside fuse can buy outside about 10-15 bucks for 63amps. wah then the electrician charge me very high on this...just change outside meter fuse and some slot (2-3 slot in my db box as shown in my attachment). even told me very complicated and might take half day to change it...isit true?Changing fused allow you to have fuse to take higher load, but doesn't mean your original wiring can support it. Is better to confirm your wiring can support. From meter to house db box. |
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thanks bro for your update. anyway yesterday night do testing, open 3 heater and open 3 aircon (total 3.5HP) on the same time. after 10-15 minutes, cutout fuse (next to Tenage Meter) blow. my whole house no electricity. no choice, ask that electrician to come to do troubleshooting. just found out that my cutout fuse only 30A, no wonder blow. So ask him to change the cutout fuse to 100A. On the same time, requested him to change the 40A RCD (maxguard) to 100A and the 60A DP Isolator (maxguard) to 100A as well. And also ask him to change one of the MCB (20A) to 40A (because one of my room aircon power use water heater point to do looping, worry if open aircon/water heater on the same time, will overload, so as precaution ask him to change to 40A). All together quote me RM400, no choice, need to take it coz already ask him to settle my cutout fuse blow.
QUOTE(Richard @ Dec 19 2016, 10:47 PM) Its a bit expensive.. - He wanted to replace the old cutout fuse (next to the Tenaga KWH meter) and Neutral link just because its old. I would too ( Those are rm30 (60A HRC fuse & fuse holder, rm5 for the Neutral link) (15min job) - Assuming he wanted to replace the rm30, 40A RCD (Maxguard) to match the load of the 60A DP Isolator (maxguard), (another 10min job) Both components comply to the IEC regulation but thermal overload trip do not match each other.. Maxguard is a known electrical brand, its competitive and it has SIRIM/ST approval.. It has a presence in our local Malaysian market.. Those are just unscrew, component replacement and tighten back connections.. You can get another quotation if you want.. (A more reasonable rate would be around rm200).. |
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thanks bro for your advise. will consult again with the electrician on this matter. This electrician are the one that do all my house wiring renovation last time. He might know whether the wire he's using can sustain or not.
QUOTE(ozak @ Dec 20 2016, 11:02 AM) Electrical have rule to follow. Not what you want 100A this and that. Max single phase is 60A. So everything must be content in 63A. Fuse or isolator. More than that, advise you to get 3phase. Your single room heater and aircon share the same point is not recommend. Even you change the MB to 40A, your wire spec exceed the actual current running. Heater 3.6kw and aircon 1.5HP 1.2kw = 4.8kw. Your 2.5mm wire is running hot. As a precaution, separate into 2 point with 2pcs MB is the proper way. |
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QUOTE(weikee @ Dec 20 2016, 02:54 PM) I think you looking into burning your house. so bro, what's your recommendation for my house situation?Like i comment before, changing fuse is simple, can even put in 200Amp if there is one available, but can your wire handle the load? One heater Max load is 15Amps, you switch on 15amps x 3 = 45amps, 1HP ~ 4Amps, 3.5hp = 14 Amps You do the math |
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QUOTE(weikee @ Dec 22 2016, 01:40 PM) Option 1: actually not an expert in electrical, so correct me if i am wrong...actually if i change the cutoff fuse to 100A, RSD to 100A and DP Insulator to 100A, isit it means that i change this for the purpose if on the same times if i use my electrical appliance, total combines can tahan until 100A. why actually still need to check the wire. each individual wire already protected by MCB (20A) where each individual wire cannot exceed 20A, if exceed will cause trip in MCB. actually i did plan upgrade for 1 MCB to maybe 40A (coz my water heater and aircon sharing wire by looling). only need to check this wire whether can tahan 40A or not rite? Ask wireman check the thickness of wires used, and use the correct recommended fused for the thickness wires you have. Option 2: Change the the wires that support 100Amps as you use 100Amps fuse. What you earlier did was having a car that can run 100MPH, but the road was earlier tested on 40MPH. You either change the car to suite the road, or change the road to suite the car. Is your option. or actually bro here mean need to check cable from tnb box to DB box only bcoz maybe the wire from tnb meter to DB box last time not support for 100A electricity? not the whole house wiring rite? and one more things, i check thru internet, actually single phase max can support until 100A based on internatioanl standard. isit because of TNB we only can be max 63A? sorry if my question look dumb coz i am not expert in electical, so hope all sifu here can enlighten me. actually already pay deposit to that electrician (told me need it to buy electical part) and he will come to install it on saturday, if really got problem, i think i need to consult another electrician. actually i already call them to issue my worry, he just say no problem one and my wiring can support blah blah....not an expert in electical, so not argue with him a lot coz that electrician a little cocky one..... thanks.... This post has been edited by cyberkoh88: Dec 22 2016, 07:10 PM |
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After consult with all sifu here,decided to change cutout fuse to 63A, RCD change to 63A to match My current DP insulator 63A, MCB decided not to upgrade to bigger amp,decided to rewiring my aircon point to nearest power socket (looping) instead of sharing with current water heater point. Thanks for all the sifu advise here,appreciated.
QUOTE(Richard @ Dec 23 2016, 12:21 AM) You're right.. This post has been edited by cyberkoh88: Dec 24 2016, 09:44 AMA HRC fuse protects the immediate wiring subcircuit.. Based on this logic.. 100A single phase requires wire size to be 2x25mm2 copper cable or bigger for Live & Neutral .. means from 100A HRC fuse to TNB Kwh meter to 100A Distribution Board (DB).. So this means your inside your DB must have a 100A Double pole (DP) to 100A RCD (to outgoing SP mcb Live busbar and to Neutral Bar) all still using 25mm2 wire .. The only problem to this is the normal wire size that can fit inside a residential DB is only 10mm2.. which is only rated to 40A If you know what your wireman is doing and he is indeed replacing the wire it is all good.. I am saying it is very hard and almost impossible to fit a 25mm2 pvc copper wire within a residential DB and I think your wireman is taking you for a fool.. Another thing is the combined (maximum demand) load which can trip a 40A mcb will not blow a 100A HRC fuse.. What usually happens if a fault happens is a high fault inrush current(usually from AC motors) will melt fuse the 40A mcb contacts making it unable to trip heat up the 10mm2 copper cable and start to burn .. This fault current will not trip a 100A HRC fuse (which is a slow thermal response high rupturing capacity type and not a magnetic type tripping device).. A fuse blows open and mcb (miniature circuit breaker) magnetically trips (and a bimetallic thermal trip but the primary trip function is magnetic).. The decision is yours to make but if you do it wrong it is a safety issue .. Edit * If you refer to the Suruhanjaya Tenaga tables for current carrying capacity the minimum cable size for 100A (enclosed in conduit) is 35mm2.. You must tighten the cables to make good contact if you know you have high loads or the connection points will heat up, start to arc and loosen in time.. |
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