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post Jun 17 2009, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Jun 5 2009, 09:53 PM)
Can someone recommend some unit trust fund managers for KLCI INDEX fund? Is the OSK KLCI Tracker the only KLCI index fund around? I cannot believe this. Why other fund managers don't setup an index fund? Why let OSK monopoly? I can't even find two to compare and see which is cheaper.
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Late reply, but this is something that I've wondered about in the past on this very forum as well. If you read a lot of general investment advice that comes out of experience in the US markets, the general consensus you should get is that most ordinary people should just buy index funds and forget about everything else. The rationale is that research has definitively demonstrated that over the long run, index funds in the aggregate outperform actively managed funds once you account for the higher costs associated with the managed funds. While it is possible for managed funds to beat the index, research has shown that it is not generally possible to predict in advance which particular managed fund will beat its benchmark index in any particular year. Research has also shown that the simple strategy of choosing the best performer of last year to invest in every year is a losing one.

However, I've come to realize that for many different reasons many of these things don't really apply to Malaysia. Some of these reasons include:

1) The U.S. is a mature and deep market with extremely high liquidity and lots of players. The Malaysian market is puny in comparison and dominated by some extremely big players, including the government. This means that unlike the mature U.S. market which lacks arbitrage opportunities because the market is deep enough that the prices should reflect all relevant information available to all market participants, it is still possible for investors in the Malaysia to identify and exploit arbitrage opportunities due to factors such as information disparity (some market participants know some things that others don't) and the fact that in some cases government-linked companies and investors are "forced" to act in a certain way and everyone knows this.

2) U.S. index funds are really, really cheap, in some cases as cheap as 0.15% a year. No Malaysian index fund can match that. This makes Malaysian index funds a lot less worthwhile. As I've previously mentioned, if "alpha" comes so cheap, why not just buy it? This raises the question of why index funds are so expensive in Malaysia and why no new competitors have entered the field offering low costs? One part of the reason is obvious. An index fund, since it is not actively managed, should have relatively fixed costs and very, very low marginal costs. In other words, it takes a certain amount of money to establish and keep a fund running, but each new customer adds almost nothing in terms of extra costs. Because the U.S. market is so huge, this means that it is possible for the U.S. index funds to spread their costs around to a very large number of customers. The Malaysian index funds can't do that, so their costs will always be higher.

3) Another reason I can think of is that the various investment funds in Malaysia are heavily reliant on a network of sales agents to sell and service them. On the other hand, if all you want is to invest in an index fund in the US, there's no way the fund is going to send an agent to you and offer you a personalize, one-on-one service. Since agents are paid commissions that are ultimately paid from the fund's management fees, obviously any fund that wants to make a serious dent in its fees must find a way to do without them. For various reasons, such as the lower level of financial education amongst Malaysians, this might not be feasible. Or else Malaysians might feel more of a psychological need to speak with a human sales agent to ask questions and solve problems for them.

4) Malaysians are not comfortable with the idea that matching a benchmark is good enough. They do not want average returns. They want exceptional returns, every year. Once again, this is a logical impossibility: it is not possible for everyone in the market to be doing above average at the same time. For every one that is, someone must be doing below average. However, it is possible that most Malaysians have not yet overcome the psychological hurdle that the returns on their personal investments are more likely than not going to be average over the long run and thus eschew index funds on principle because these funds by definition offer only average returns.
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post Jun 19 2009, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(Irzani @ Jun 19 2009, 12:47 AM)
Yup, it's better to find an agent to explain the information to me but what I'm trying to find right now is the list of current FD that available in Malaysia .. maybe with some index performance or rating for comparison so I can put an order in the list which bank to go first to listen ...  brows.gif
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You're using the terms in a very confusing way. When people say, FD, they usually mean the boring old-fashioned but totally risk free "Fixed Deposit". You seem to be conflating it to include unit trust funds and perhaps other products. This makes it hard to understand what kind of advice you are looking for.
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post Jun 23 2009, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(nj922 @ Jun 21 2009, 10:50 PM)
Recently my colleague promoted me to engage with saving insurance from ING, Premier Income plus 12 which I only need to save 5K annually up to 12 years & after maturity 12 years ING will began to disburse roughly 4K yearly until I turned 100 year olds or withdrawn anytime with one big lump sum of money.

Anyone can advice me should I take up this saving scheme? Are there any better saving options offered recently from bank or insurance company? Please advice, thanks
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I've some money in this scheme, though in my case it's for a lot more money and for a longer period. After thinking about it for a while, I've decided that it's probably not worthwhile for most people. Your money gets locked in for too long, and if you manage your money properly, I believe that you should be able to get better overall returns on your own. In my case, it makes some sense since I've spent most of the life working overseas and since I have no EPF, I think of this as a sort of EPF-like rainy day fund. It could also be useful if you have financial management problems and this scheme imposes the discipline of saving on you.

Otherwise, I think you'd be better off investing in stocks yourself or a unit trust fund if you're scared about doing it yourself. If you're really worried about losing your capital, you could try one of those capital protected funds.
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post Jun 29 2009, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(Irzani @ Jun 29 2009, 01:09 AM)
It's really tiring to go to a bank one by one to hear the current investment products (FD and unit trust), right now what interest me is the Why Wait Fixed Return Investment Account-i from CIMB.. is it true :
Does it mean I get 1.90% from my current investment every month?  brows.gif

Thanks

Very new in FD and trust investment thing and this is the first time I have to manage my mom retirement money 60K~100K investments ..  sweat.gif
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Dude, p.a. means per annum.
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post Jul 1 2009, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(Irzani @ Jul 1 2009, 12:29 AM)
No wonder she keep telling me to enter ASB due to it's return...  hmm.gif . Anyway sir, can you recommend me any name of FD/trust fund for me to check that have equal or better than ASB. Perhaps a medium or high risk one? Thinking to diversified the portfolio ...

Currently I play shares for a few years but never go into this saving things. How much the return or rate, I never care. Just check the balance only. When I bump into this topics and read some of the post, I got an interest to enter this investments to help my mom due to it's her retirement money and not mine. To play shares with 100K, die lo ..  sweat.gif

Thanks again
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If it is really your mother's retirement money, I strongly suggest that you put it into ASB as recommended. Putting money in unit trust funds are effectively identical with putting it in the stock market, risk-wise. Retirement money should never be used in speculative investments. You should be looking at ways to preserve and protect that value instead of growing it.

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