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lwb
post Jun 15 2008, 02:13 PM

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hi,

have you been in the retail managed fund industry before? do you know who exactly is your fund manager? do you know of their credentials?
do you know how they're being hired into the company?

find the answers and you'd only know what your own assumption about being "safe" is properly aligned to reality... or not.

QUOTE(Jordy @ Jun 15 2008, 01:32 AM)
You are partly correct, but even with stocks, you can actually reduce the risk if you hold fundamentally strong stocks for longer periods.
Stocks with great business growth will ride through in times of volatility.
Commodities, such as gold, used to be safe haven, but now with hedge funds speculating on commodities index, we can hardly say that gold is safer as compared to stocks. Unit trust is considered safe because of the portfolio diversification, which reduces the risk, and you have experienced managers behind each of the funds.

If you want to look for investments that you can top up without commitment, then I'd say unit trust is the best choice.
Stocks comes second, but the time required for monitoring is tremendously long.
So, all in all, we want something that will compound our savings while we just leave it there without worry.
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post Jun 15 2008, 02:17 PM

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hi,

don't ever take the word for it.. do you really understand this product?
do you know how this product derives it's underlying guarantee?
do you know all the variables that can influence/impact such guarantee status?
do you know what sort of efficiency/inefficiency in terms of cost to place such an guarantee for the issuer?

if you have no idea what i'm talking about.. you're merely buying shampoo at hypermarts.

QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Jun 15 2008, 09:10 AM)
In time of uncertainties, investors usually looking for some certainty.

Capital Guarantee Investments  perhaps work better with today investment climates. , the uncertainty and slower economy.

A good asset class when comes to asset/risk  allocations. A good wealth protection tool.

It is my personal opinion that Capital Guarantee has a better capital protection than REITS , though not actually comparing apple with apple. The returns could be equally attractive as REITs on papers, actual  performances  may vary from one fund manager to another. Withholding tax on reits are quite high.

But for a period of 2 to 3 years is rather short for Capital Guarantee investment standard, especially for Maybank where the track records are lacking ( they sound too bullish )
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post Jun 16 2008, 05:52 PM

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there isn't a need to debate here.. from your generalization, it tells me that you're too amateurish to provide comprehensive knowledge about a structured product.

i just find it annoyingly cautious when you keep on harping on the word guarantee.. when the fact is, there is an underlying clause to safeguard the bank for such guarantee.

thus i advocate an awareness to the consumer rather than believing colorful brochures or worst still, believing hearsay from people like you.

i'm just stressing on the guarantee clause here.. read carefully!!


QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Jun 15 2008, 02:29 PM)
If you think you know a lot of things about them.

It is time for you to share some things, good or bad of them. This is what this  forum for.

We can debate here.

Honestly no one product is perfect to all, may be to some only. But in time to come, this product can be perfected. The bottom line is whether the banker could produce the desired returns as advertised. It could and might not, or doing better than expected.

If they do able to produce desired returns covering all the expensive costs, then  it is fine.
And if you want to know the A to Z, then it is your duty to call up Maybank. It is not my job to do the A to Z and report back to you.

If an investor has 500k in FD, and wants to earn slightly better than FD without taking much risk. Supposing bank can only guarantee 65K of 500k if the bank is facing a problem.

What is your investment advice to be given to him or her, if he insists he wants 500k to be guaranteed and other than FDs  ?

If you are given a job to perform as CEO of the company, basically your job is to solve the problems. You are not paid only  to bring out  the problems of the company,without offering any solutions.
I did mention some things about Guarantee product in other threads, and it is boring to repeat the same things again and again.  I am sure no one is interested in it.

And till today, i have not heard that investors are getting less than Capital Guarantee. If you do, let us know.

Anyway, I am not the sales person  for Maybank.
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post Jun 16 2008, 05:59 PM

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can't discern the difference between questioning and criticism is it?

do you even know the names of the fund manager(s) who manages your fund? assumed you have one to boot..

i'm questioning those blind stupidity at complying at every hearsay and endorsing them without knowledge of what goes into the decision process..

in essence, are you merely a "pak turut"?


QUOTE(Jordy @ Jun 15 2008, 03:32 PM)
Are you implying that you are more experienced than the managers, who have been with the company for years?
If not, it is time you trust someone who is BETTER than you. Criticising someone's credentials is nothing more than criticising your own wits.
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post Jun 16 2008, 07:25 PM

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i know my fund manager and their capability.. enough?
i managed a syndicated hedge funds before.. enough?

you only know their names.. what tok you?

QUOTE(Jordy @ Jun 16 2008, 06:30 PM)
Which fund manager's name do you need? I can name all the fund managers in Public Mutual if you want to smile.gif
I might know the names, but I will not know what they're doing with the money.
Who cares how they manage the funds, as long as they manage it better than any layman would, right?
That is what unit trust is about, we just leave it to the fund managers, because that IS their job.
I assume you have invested in unit trust too, correct me if I am wrong. If I am right, so why DID you invest, when you do not know what the fund managers are doing? First of all, what QUALIFICATIONS that you have to even questioning the decisions of fund managers?
I hope I do not have to take this further, because I feel it is plain useless to even continue this "conversation" smile.gif
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post Jun 16 2008, 08:21 PM

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so, everybody.. this is what i'm trying to illustrate..
for those who trust their fund managers blindly are as dumdig as yourself..
fund managers know what they're doing.. konon!

QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Jun 16 2008, 07:59 PM)
What is the big deal if you managed funds before. Even you were ex PM, who cares ?

There are many US hedge funds went bust too. There were too many fund managers failed badly.

Even a football team won a match 10 years back, does not mean they are good forever.

You talk as if the whole world would collapse if without you.

Frankly speaking, the rich and the super rich do not have to go around telling people they are rich. Only those not so rich do that.
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post Jun 16 2008, 09:09 PM

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i advocate "caveat emptor" but you still got it out of context again..
do you seriously have comprehension issue here ah?

becareful.. don't trust blindly.. get it?!?

QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Jun 16 2008, 08:30 PM)
A professional Fund Manager by professional standard would not condemn other fund managers, and without doing any analysis.

Only the unprofessional ones do, and with lots of bad feeling at heart.
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post Jun 17 2008, 09:36 PM

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year 2001 is right after the dotcom bust.. alot of stuff were sold down and hence evaluation were more realistic and reasonable..

and ever since then (2001 - 2007) it was quite a boom time for properties/equity/commodities.. fixed income.. you name it.

so, it's incomprehensive to claim that the so-called capital guaranteed funds have never lost it's principle value simply because it has never been through a down cycle yet..

folks who have never seen fixed income assets being sold down are just naive as the bulk of these product(structured product) are backed by it.

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post Jun 17 2008, 09:47 PM

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the underlying bond issuers can also be publicly listed companies. some bond issuers also take insurance to further backed their bonds by referring to re-insurer.. a good example is mnrb.

along this chain.. if either one of them goes shaky, the bond holder can issue a call on the bonds or asked for a cash margin to be increased.. and the vicious cycle can actually bring down the publicly listed companies/re-insurer.

then the worth of the bond will be in question.. (for anyone who thinks this scenario won't happen.. think again, and read more widely please.)
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post Jun 17 2008, 10:10 PM

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now you see why i said what've said when certain forumer here claimed that the guarantee is always 100%
that was when i realized a financially immature guy is talking.


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post Jun 17 2008, 11:45 PM

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you seems to be trying so hard to act smart.. for something that you knew so little. stop trying kiddo.
i don't have to "think".. it's already happening and happened. this is "after the fact" so to speak. how about this for your thoughts? not just public listed companies can go bust.. but even legit and sovereign government can go bust.. one just happened, a local municipal government.

i feel pity for your lack of reading.. if you rise above your own tempurung, you wouldn't say what you've said below.. well known and reputable insurance companies and re-insurance companies both have trouble and near insolvency because of margin calls.

QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Jun 17 2008, 10:34 PM)
The Capital Guarantee Fund is only RM 100 million  per launch.  The bond is guaranteed by an International Insurance Co.

If you think a foreign international insurance cannot afford to pay out RM 100 million on bond guarantee, that is .

This company paid out about US $ 5 billion claims after Sept 11.

No further argument.

Thanks for pointing out the risks involved.
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Added on June 18, 2008, 12:08 ami respect your risk appetite.. what you choose is ultimately of your own accountability.. i just advocate awareness and education on how learning/paying a bit attention on how your sweat-money is actually working for you.

an "unguarded employee" is as good as no employee.. if you know what this simile/saying means. after all, i always treat my money as employee.. and it's my fiduciary duty to know/manage them.

QUOTE(jeff_ckf @ Jun 17 2008, 10:24 PM)
Hmm...I knew about this but didn't think so far down the chain. Anyway, I am not a fan of capital guaranteed funds. The fact that it invests so little in equities does not suit my risk appetite  smile.gif
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post Aug 6 2009, 05:42 PM

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spend some time.. understanding what's a unit trust, talk to people(sales and non-sales related people) about unit trust. invest in some good reading material to understand the underlying investment of the different category of unit trust. becareful with people who have vested interest, trying to advice you.. when they're commission earning sales people.

transiting from a pure saver to an investor can be a nerve wrecking journey.. you'll soon come to terms with the paradigm of "risk & return".. i was like you, a pure saver.. and i made the crossover to be an investor about 6 years ago.

education/awareness/dilligence are you best friends in this side of things.. assumptions/listen-without-discern/"tarak apa" attitude will be your worst adversaries.

it takes alot of courage to embrace risk and learn to accept that it's just part and parcel of investing.. oh, and the best part is.. you'll get to know yourself better.. how you'll react between the 'greed-fear' meter of money.


QUOTE(Irzani @ Aug 4 2009, 05:50 PM)
It's been a month my mom 100K in the current bank savings but still it's hard for me to choose the right investment to diversify ..  hmm.gif . The best choices I see right now is :

1) ASB Loan - problem with inheritance .. and the guarantor
2) Unit Trust - Public Mutual or anything high rated from Lipper (too many funds ..  rclxub.gif )

Bank FD is too low except the long term one .. 15-30 years (CIMB MaxInvest) or Alliance 20 years .. is there any new FD promotion in this month (August)?

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