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post Jan 11 2012, 11:18 AM

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guys, can advise me on this? thx notworthy.gif

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2185518
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post Jan 12 2012, 01:15 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 12 2012, 11:12 AM)
Election has nothing to do or alter the fund performance.
It is bullsh*t statement to say election is coming better invest in China. No related at all.

If you don't know how China stock market is performing or issue of China stocks, please google it.
And ask those people invested in China related fund experience as well.

Money is not easy to come by, but easy to lose, so always ensure knowing what you invested before committing.
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IF BN were to lose more seats or worse, FALL, KLSE gonna go bananas...
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post Jan 12 2012, 01:33 PM

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QUOTE(JeffreyYap @ Jan 12 2012, 01:29 PM)
Thank transit! I think my friend submitted already. I put RM2k capital smile.gif, anyway, this PRSF considers aggressive type right.
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bro, u 1 shot dump RM2K meh...start with the minimum, then slowly buy in small sums every month/bi-monthly mar... doh.gif
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post Jan 12 2012, 01:46 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 12 2012, 01:42 PM)
Then time to buy...  rclxms.gif
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that's why now I only invest monthly RM100 in my malaysian balanced fund...if BN kena sapu, saya sapu more units brows.gif
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post Jan 12 2012, 01:52 PM

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QUOTE(JeffreyYap @ Jan 12 2012, 01:51 PM)
Can briefly explain where can i check and how can i know the fund is performing? Sorry i ask here because my friend at Puchong, so hard to meet him. And after register an Public Mutual account from my agent, i can trade, sell and buy funds at Public Mutual website right? Thank
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go Public Mutual website, all UT fund houses surely will have monthly fund reports and interim/annual reports on their website icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Jan 12 2012, 02:03 PM

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Malaysian Equity Fund

My top pick is Kenanga rolleyes.gif
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post Jan 13 2012, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(JeffreyYap @ Jan 12 2012, 07:10 PM)

Added on January 13, 2012, 9:47 amAny good investor(s) in history before put example RM200k lump sum and within few months, get back around RM1m or more/less? Just curious.
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post Jan 13 2012, 08:47 PM

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guys,

just wanna hear some comments...

i started my UT portfolio during mid-2008, doing RSP (DDI for some of u) RM100 monthly til end of 2010, along the way also pumped in bits on and off, then stopped cos I felt that markets are peaking. My portfolio are largely conservative-balanced except for a global fund focused on banks/financials (this fund is the biggest drag on my portfolio doh.gif )

to-date my portfolio returned about 6%, annualised return=1.7%

is this considered "reasonable" for the past 4 years? unsure.gif

sifu sifu sekalian tolong komen notworthy.gif


Added on January 13, 2012, 8:57 pm
QUOTE(JeffreyYap @ Jan 13 2012, 04:08 PM)

Added on January 13, 2012, 6:59 pmi searched google, but i still not very understand what is unit split.
Is unit split is a good thing?
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i make a simple illustration to explain to u...

Fund ABC
- got 100,000 units in circulation
- launch price at RM1.00 per unit

so, total assets of ABC = 100,000 x RM1.00 = RM100,000

let's say, a few years later ABC's assets value rose to RM150,000, so u have NAV price of RM1.50 per unit (assuming no additional units were created, so RM150,000/100,000 units)

then the fund house decided to do unit split of 2-for-1 for ABC

100,000 units become 200,000 units
RM150,000/200,000 units = RM0.75 per unit

That's unit split for u wink.gif

Effect?
- lowered NAV price per unit (RM1.50 becomes RM0.75)
- assets value - UNCHANGED (still RM150,000)
- psychological effect saja...cos some investors might PERCEIVE a RM1.50 fund as "expensive" doh.gif
- and it keeps the NAV price close to the original launch price

This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Jan 13 2012, 09:02 PM
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post Jan 13 2012, 11:10 PM

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my portfolio was dragged down by going into Emerging Markets and Asia Ex-Japan equity funds at the wrong time...oredy exited those funds. My global financials/banks fund baru saja breakeven...it did went up 10%++ at one point though...currently all my funds are above water (finally!) sweat.gif

In a hindsight I would be better off putting all my money in FD...but it's a learning experience. nod.gif
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post Jan 14 2012, 12:28 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 14 2012, 12:23 AM)
It is considered poor.  smile.gif (at least until to date now, doesn't mean future is better or worst)
Why?
Because with this kind of performance, one is better off with FD.
4 years in FD at least give you around 12% already without such risk exposure.
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ok cry.gif

but good thing I've already sold the laggards...otherwise would be still in the red doh.gif
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post Jan 14 2012, 12:09 PM

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guys, how many of u are overweight equities right now? Which region in particular?

Thx biggrin.gif
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post Jan 16 2012, 12:34 AM

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PM is overrated. Winner for MYR Bond fund for recent years have been AmDynamic Bond, delivering annualised returns of 9-10% CONSISTENTLY, and best of all, it's available thru FSM, at 0% service charge rclxm9.gif
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post Jan 16 2012, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(kucingfight @ Jan 16 2012, 11:22 AM)
don forget the 1% redemption (exit) fee too
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I know, but what's 1% exit fee compared to consistent 9-10% p.a. returns over past 5 years?

This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Jan 16 2012, 11:39 AM
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post Jan 16 2012, 01:11 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jan 16 2012, 12:15 PM)
Dang.. U sure it's CAGR 9%pa to 10%pa consistently for the past 5 and more years (after minusing the 1% mgt fee + 0.05% trustee fee)?
Can advise where can i get the stats?  notworthy.gif danke danke
Nice for my "severe emergency funds" - ie. not for holding ammunition while waiting for value or trend buying of Equities.
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FSM Page for AmDynamic Bond

AmMutual Factsheet for Dec-11

OTHER PERFORMANCE DATA
Calendar Year
2011 (10.12%)
2010 (9.08%)
2009 (11.28%)
2008 (6.44%)
2007 (8.1%)
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PM agents, dun hate me pls tongue.gif


Added on January 16, 2012, 1:13 pm
QUOTE(gark @ Jan 16 2012, 01:02 PM)
AmDynamic has been steadily reducing the risk factor of it's bond fund for the past 2 years which is a good move. They have got rid of most BBB and A grade bond and loaded up more on AA and AAA bonds. So there risk and also the earnings will be lower now and should not match 9%-10%, which is an exception during the 2008-2010 period.

Anyway the fund has a good performance with 3 year & 5 year annualized return (minus all fees) of 10.16% and 8.24%  p.a. This does not include the 1% NAV fee when you sell.
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Still, their biggest holdings are in AA grade securities (almost 2/3 of portfolio), while MOST other bond funds are loaded with AAA types. So, AmDynamic are still expected to perform better than most other MYR Bond funds, albeit with slightly higher risk. wink.gif

Annualised returns might be distorted when there's an exceptionally good year, but look at the CALENDAR YEAR returns, the worst is only 6.44%, so overall the returns are fairly consistent. thumbup.gif

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post Jan 16 2012, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jan 16 2012, 01:21 PM)
I am also anticipating the OPR interest rate to be reduced soon by BNM.. due to economic slowdown, so longer term bond funds will outperform.

Basically.... my rule of thumb in investing in bond funds..

1. Interest Rate Increasing - High Quality & Short Term Bond Funds will outperform
2. Interest Rate Reducing - Lower Quality & Longer Term Bond Funds will outperform
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that's why it's time to load up on AmDynamic Bond brows.gif
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post Jan 16 2012, 01:30 PM

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Generally Asia Ex-Japan bonds are attractive, Korean bond yields are attractive too yet not too high risk laugh.gif


Added on January 16, 2012, 1:36 pm
QUOTE(gark @ Jan 16 2012, 01:27 PM)
I am also looking at Indonesian Govt Bond Funds...last year gained 17.1%.  sweat.gif Based on better S&P debt ratings, performing economy and a very high rate (6% vs 3 % for MGS). But the risk is much higher...  laugh.gif

Bond fund can be exciting also...  brows.gif
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but Indonesian inflation is higher too, so even though Indon bonds return high, but remember u have forex risk. icon_idea.gif

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post Jan 16 2012, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jan 16 2012, 02:15 PM)
Emmm Malaysian Fund Managers so far can't perform for China Investment.. you need local fund managers to navigate the China investments as there are many 'hanky panky' around.  laugh.gif
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post Jan 16 2012, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Jan 16 2012, 03:02 PM)
So China market is actually a crocodile pond, so how do you invest in China Funds if not thru Mlaysian Fund Managers?
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I believe the same applies to Malaysian equities, I doubt if foreign fund managers with no local presence can do well with a Malaysian equities fund.
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post Jan 16 2012, 06:56 PM

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QUOTE(jutamind @ Jan 16 2012, 06:54 PM)
if i'm not mistaken, the published performance data is already net of annual management fees + trustee fees, but excluding the sales charge and any exit charge.
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- AmDynamic Bond got no sales charge
- Exit charge is 1%

Yes, oredy net of fund expenses i.e. management fees and trustee fees
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post Jan 18 2012, 07:22 PM

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seems that malaysian equity funds beat global equity funds or even asia ex-japan equity funds hands down...is this just an abnormal deviation (cos malaysian market = defensive, recent years global equities are quite bearish), or our local fund managers really dunno invest overseas? hmm.gif

cos everyone wrote that diversification is healthy, but overseas exposure are dragging down our portfolio performance... sweat.gif

This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Jan 18 2012, 07:23 PM

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