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post May 4 2012, 07:15 PM

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QUOTE(kparam77 @ May 4 2012, 02:48 PM)
Rich Malaysians grow wealth aggressively.


“Affluent Malaysians’ top choices of investment are gold, high interest savings, unit trusts and real estate,”


http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...0906&sec=nation
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I also read "smart use of credit" hmm.gif
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post May 6 2012, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ May 5 2012, 09:58 PM)
10 years to RM12M net worth... these people must be very affluent now themselves  notworthy.gif
I can only imagine half of that, RM6M net worth, in 10+ of my donkey years time  cry.gif

Jokes aside though, i guess the most important would be a growth of how much CAGR in those 10 years gua.
Heck, they may already have RM8M laugh.gif
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Wong Seafood, by "smart use of credit", what joo think they doing? hmm.gif

Use leverage (housing loan) to make more profit on property bets? hmm.gif
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post May 6 2012, 03:54 PM

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Some of my colleagues borrowed loans to buy houses that they cannot even afford the instalments...buy and sell before completion...clean profit of 5 figures or more... sweat.gif
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post May 10 2012, 01:01 AM

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QUOTE(atrocitines @ May 9 2012, 10:15 PM)
EASTSPRING INVESTMENTS ASIA PACIFIC EQUITY MY FUND 
AMGLOBAL EMERGING MARKETS OPPORTUNITIES 
AMDYNAMIC BOND 
KENANGA GROWTH FUND 

hi guys, are all of these funds recommended to invest as a portfolio?
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IMHO u should also add a developed market equity fund...

OSK-UOB Global Equity Yield
Eastspring Investments Global Leaders
AmOasis Global Islamic Equity
RHB Global Fortune
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post May 10 2012, 11:47 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ May 10 2012, 10:55 PM)
Depends on whether U believe Buffet & Munger + Lynch + Soros OR 100% market efficiency hypothesis.

To put it another way:
A believer in 100% market efficiency hypothesis, when seeing a $50 note on the parking floor, will not bother to pick it up coz they think the $50 is fake coz if it's real, someone else would have already picked it up thus, it shouldn't exist now in front of him/her.
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what an analogy doh.gif laugh.gif
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post May 11 2012, 07:29 AM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ May 11 2012, 07:27 AM)
sweat.gif Ok ok - let me try another way to put Efficient Market Hypothesis in perspective:

IF there are no people like Buffet / Soros / Lynch / value hunters, the market will not be as efficient.
Reason: These investors & trader hunts out the anomalies, thereby eliminating the anomalies and of course they profit from it.

Easy analogy - they are the ones picking up the $50 from the parking lot floor
WHILE the 100% believers of EMF
a. left it alone since it can't be real (see previous post)
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b. since it's already picked up by value hunters and anomaly traders ,
says "There, see - mana ada such a big frog jumping around" (literal KantoKnees translation).
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so, which are u? rolleyes.gif

And I picked up RM100 last week, and spent it with no problem ph34r.gif
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post May 11 2012, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(MGM @ May 11 2012, 08:40 AM)
Which assets to park at before and if  Greece change govt, quit eurozone, and eurozone disintegrate?
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For the time being (barring major surprises during Malaysian GE), Malaysian bonds.

Just my 2 sen. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post May 11 2012, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ May 11 2012, 09:40 AM)
Just a thought:
One may want to check out the gov yield curve here
http://asianbondsonline.adb.org/regional/d...ent_bond_yields
just in case.
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Just to add, I prefer corporate bonds over government securities. biggrin.gif
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post May 20 2012, 05:50 PM

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hafiez is trading with UT funds... sweat.gif

My question of the day...

"Do you invest with only 1 UT Distributor, or with several?"

E.g. ALL with PM; or some with FSM some with PM some with CIMB

Want to listen to some opinions... notworthy.gif
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post May 21 2012, 12:28 AM

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QUOTE(hafiez @ May 20 2012, 09:45 PM)

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Don't u worry IN CASE CWA close shop or fraud case or whatever? Then habis all your hard-earned+saved money... sweat.gif
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post May 21 2012, 07:37 AM

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QUOTE(hafiez @ May 21 2012, 06:50 AM)
No. Investment with UT involves three parties. Investor, utmc and trustee. Trustee will hold your money. Anything happened to the utmc, the money will be given back to u by the trustee. The value will follow the current day price.

For me, ut investment risk is very low because we can manage the risk.
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U missed out another....

Investor > UT distributor > UT Management Co > Trustee

WHAT IF the UT distributor songlap-ed all your $$$ and thee $$$ did not went to the UTMC? hmm.gif

Just for discussion laugh.gif
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post May 21 2012, 09:47 AM

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QUOTE(hafiez @ May 21 2012, 08:17 AM)
? blink.gif
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Investor: hafiez > UT Distributor: CWA > UTMC: CIMB Investment Bank > Trustee: E.g. HSBC Trustee

U dun transact directly with the UTMC, u deal with the agent i.e. UT Distributor...faham? icon_idea.gif

This post has been edited by Pink Spider: May 21 2012, 09:48 AM
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post May 21 2012, 10:01 AM

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QUOTE(hafiez @ May 21 2012, 09:53 AM)
Haaaa...memang baru perasaan benda tu lepas reply. Haha...

ok, in what way he want to songlap when the transaction done by using cheque for cash investment and epf investment using epf authorize form (9N)?

Have u experience any loss before with the ut distro?
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I'm not talking about agent as in a person, I meant (in your case) CWA as a company songlap your money i.e. your money did not go into the funds that u intend to buy

I know the chance is small...cos they are regulated tongue.gif

So, u are not worried I see... biggrin.gif

How about others? unsure.gif

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post May 21 2012, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(hafiez @ May 21 2012, 10:43 AM)
Since BHLB, no cases reported againts the ut distro. But for agents, there are many. So im not worried.

Imo, people that are worried to much because they dont fully understand yet.

Knowledge before action. Once u acquired enough knowledge, u will take action. Either u want it or not....

My knowledge not that sharp yet pink spider...please mind my kekurangan ok... Sila beri tunjuk ajar...

Some of your input i used in everyday life. Not nlynyours, MK's inputs too. Kparam's. Hhehehhe...

U all my sifu also.
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Siapa BHLB? blink.gif

Me kecik meow only...not sifu... blush.gif
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FAham nod.gif
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QUOTE(puiwen @ May 23 2012, 10:38 AM)
Hi to all investment gurus here,

I have invested a bit in UT. Although i understand that it is a mid-long term investment, i don't understand why all product brochures indicates that you have to wait at least 3-5 yrs to see any meaningful gains.  I read a lot of reading to find out
Question is, if a fund reports growth every year, shouldn't i be making profit after Year 1 investing? Why wait 3-5yrs?  Switching out before 3 yrs just because it's not gaining enough is also a bad idea, right?

Please enlighten a newbie.  Thanks!
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Typically, especially for equity funds, u SHOULD be making profits after 3-5 years. Reason for this "disclaimer" is, they don't want investors to start suing them or making noise if 1-2 years down the road they're making a loss. Equity markets go up and down, but 3-5 years timeframe for making a profit is fair. icon_idea.gif

E.g. 2008-2009 crash, 2010 small gain, 2011 go up wink.gif
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post May 23 2012, 01:24 PM

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QUOTE(puiwen @ May 23 2012, 11:37 AM)
I see.. then what is the indication that i should switch away since generally i should wait 3-5 yrs? What does the term 'break even' means?

Thanks again!
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Some high risk funds can go up 20% in 1 year and ka-boom! down to breakeven or even small loss in the next year icon_question.gif

If u look long-term, u can do like Sifu wongmunkeong suggested i.e. if go up, u can leave it there/invest less

If u like to do "fund trading" like hafiez (IMHO not recommended sweat.gif ), u can set a limit e.g. if a fund goes up 10% within a year, sell tongue.gif
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post May 27 2012, 02:01 PM

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FSM user come liao biggrin.gif

So far haven't done any switching, when bond outperformed equity for example, I'd just stop buyng into AmDynamic for 1-2 months and keep buying into my equity funds, and vice versa. Don't see need for doing switching.
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post May 27 2012, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ May 27 2012, 02:20 PM)
heheh for now lar.
Soon when U have several $100Ks in equity funds which U want to take some profit / rebalance based on Asset Allocation, especially when the returns are abnormally high - eg.>=20%+ pa  brows.gif
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Ohh... blink.gif

Tell u again when that happens biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(jutamind @ May 27 2012, 06:25 PM)
osk-uob kidsave trust vs hwang dbs select balanced fund - which is a better choice? why?
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Both also consistent performers, both also award winner...

KidSave can invest up to 30% of its assets in Asia Ex-Japan
Select Balanced is 100% Malaysia

U take your pick wink.gif

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