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post Oct 19 2012, 07:32 PM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Oct 19 2012, 07:30 PM)
Haha.. You can read me ya. It is amb dividend
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cos u said Malaysian focus, and these 3 are the better ones available that I know laugh.gif
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post Oct 20 2012, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(techie.opinion @ Oct 20 2012, 10:18 AM)
Just invested on AMB Dividend Fund also. This morning read Dow Jones dip wor.
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Still net gain for the week, fret now wink.gif

I won't be topping up my global equity fund unless Dow falls below 12,500 tongue.gif
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post Oct 20 2012, 12:10 PM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Oct 20 2012, 11:34 AM)
I am -1.8% to date behind my expected gain for this year. 2 more months to go, hope can achieve my own forecast target.


Added on October 20, 2012, 11:37 am

I only buy in not much.. so I will be slowly topping up when got extra money and more when market dips..
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Not only FSM, lotsa reports saying that dividend stocks are overpriced at the moment...
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post Oct 24 2012, 07:13 AM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Oct 23 2012, 11:06 PM)
Market drop quite substantial today in US and Europe...
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Been waiting for this to top up my global equity funds brows.gif
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post Oct 24 2012, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Oct 24 2012, 10:37 AM)
ya. very high! missed the boat yeah
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Hwang Asia Quantum flying...Top 5 fund brows.gif
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post Oct 24 2012, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Oct 24 2012, 02:03 PM)
How many % of your portfolio you have?
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Only 3%, high-risk fund, dare not expose too much. Besides I have 5 different global/emerging markets equity funds in total, how big can it be? tongue.gif
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post Oct 24 2012, 07:57 PM

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For god's sake how many times do we have to repeat this shakehead.gif

U SIMPLY CANNOT JUDGE THE VALUATION OF A FUND BASED ON ITS NAV ALONE

u have to look at the valuation of its underlying assets

I.e. Fund ABC at RM1.0234 vs Fund XYZ at RM0.8975, Fund ABC = expensive? NO!!! A fund's NAV pricing CANNOT tell whether a fund is "expensive" or not.

U have to see
(i) the P/E i.e. valuation of the equities the fund holds and
(ii) the dividend yield of the equities it holds

Sigh doh.gif

This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Oct 24 2012, 07:58 PM
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post Oct 24 2012, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(hafiez @ Oct 24 2012, 10:12 PM)
some people loves to see more units they purchased...
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I have 2 "bungalows" valued at RM2 mil each
vs
U have 5 "apartments" valued at RM800K each

so, having 5 "apartments", more glamour?

syiok sendiri doh.gif shakehead.gif
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post Oct 25 2012, 09:20 AM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Oct 25 2012, 08:28 AM)
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/dollar-cost-...Y3Rpb25z;_ylv=3

Is Dollar-Cost Averaging Overrated?
Snippets:
The result: The lump-sum method delivered higher returns compared with the 12-month dollar-cost averaging method about 66% of the time regardless of whether an all-equities, all-bond, or 60% equity/40% bond allocation was used.

The authors note that the longer the dollar-cost averaging time frame, the greater the chance of the lump-sum method outperforming.

It's also worth noting that while lump-sum investing consistently outperformed dollar-cost averaging, the average rate of outperformance was relatively modest. Using a 60/40 equity-bond allocation in U.S. markets and dollar-cost averaging over a period of 12 months, the authors found that after 10 years the initial $1 million investment would have grown to $2,450,264 on average using the lump-sum method versus $2,395,824 using dollar-cost averaging, a difference of about $54,000 or 2.3%.

So the Vanguard study proves it's always best to invest in a lump sum if possible, right? Not so fast. As the authors concede, during market declines, the dollar-cost averaging method often performs better because it helps mitigate the effects of falling share prices, whereas the lump-sum method puts all the capital at risk in the market at once.

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IMHO (your mileage may vary):
a. it's all about risk (exposure of capital) to rewards.
b. in a so-so average market, dollar averaging, value averaging or a combo is good for controlling exposure (other than an over-arching Asset Allocation lar)
c. in an already down market (end 2008 / early 2009), lump sums would do statistically better coz lelong sale...
but (there's always one) don't lar "sai lang 100% cash in", may be in lump sums of 2 or 3 tranches. Heck, after falling 40% - 50%, wild value lelong prices BUT who says market can't fall another 20% or more from there? Those who says no, take a look at 1997-1998, double dips in KLSE

Just sharing some thoughts, no perfectly right/wrong yar  notworthy.gif
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so, Wong Seafood opine, now is a "so-so average market" or "already down market"? blush.gif
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post Oct 25 2012, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Oct 25 2012, 11:12 AM)
Below are just pure opinions yar, not gospel truths.
hehhe - depends on WHICH market
MY - i think it's like near/on the top of a roller coaster's "hill".. be AWARE getting in now
SG - so-so
Shanghai - looks slight recovery started a couple of weeks ago. at 21xx VS 2008/2009 norms of 19xx and lowest 18xx, i bought 1 tranche in already earlier
US - very worried about Jan's "fiscal cliff". Looks similar to MY currently
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but IMHO, for long-term good, US NEEDS to fall off the fiscal cliff. Their government spending really needs to control. But for the health of the global economy, we need the americans to keep spending and spending and to incur more debts and debts and debts. laugh.gif
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post Oct 25 2012, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(mois @ Oct 25 2012, 11:24 AM)
Very much the same opinion as me. Except that i am getting more interested with the chinese market. PFES especially although it has exposure about 60% in china. Mind to share which fund you bought 1 tranche recently?  brows.gif
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Wong Seafood buys CIMB ETF flex.gif
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post Oct 25 2012, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(Xiaofeng90 @ Oct 25 2012, 12:01 PM)
hello there , just get some amb dividend trust fund as my 1st start , cant get any amdynamic bond sad.gif
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Alternatives (in order of risk exposure):

OSK-UOB Income
AmBond
Hwang Select Bond
RHB Asian Total Return
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post Oct 25 2012, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(Xiaofeng90 @ Oct 25 2012, 02:22 PM)
hmm is it okie for buying amb DTF as my start?? or should i pick those fund with low risk , sorry im so new >.<
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AMB DTF is already quite low risk, but valuation of dividend stocks are on the high side currently, i.e. u have limited upside potential, significant downside risk. If u intend to hold for long-term (at least 5 years), just buy and hold, no problem. smile.gif
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post Oct 26 2012, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(mois @ Oct 26 2012, 09:23 AM)
For those who wants to know more about the fund. Go here
http://www.ambankgroup.com/en/FundManageme...acticalBond.pdf

The fund will invest in low credit rating. Mean higher risk for higher returns. Not so sure whether it has the same holdings as amdynamic bond or not.
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Not comparable to AmDynamic Bond:
- AmTactical invests in foreign (asian) bonds
- AmTactical charges up to 2% SC (but 0% exit fee)

I'd say, AmTactical is in the same league as Hwang Select Bond, OSK-UOB Income and RHB Asian Total Return.
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post Oct 29 2012, 09:32 AM

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QUOTE(kparam77 @ Oct 28 2012, 04:58 PM)
5-10% compounded return is expected, cannot guarantee abt 10%, even in equity funds, for bond 5-6% is realistik. r u sure amdynamic bond give 10% annualy? taht is very good. better than equity funds.

ok, if u hv 1k per month. and as per suggest by others go for both and equity. assuming 2 funds.

first month, open 1k in bond
2nd, open 1k in equity

3rd month sign up DDI rm500 each for both acc.
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AmDynamic normalised annualised returns is around 8-9% nod.gif

But year-to-date, returns are slowing down, which is expected given the rally in bonds and the current low yield of bonds by historical standards.
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post Oct 29 2012, 01:16 PM

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QUOTE(jutamind @ Oct 29 2012, 12:08 PM)
any good global emerging market fund to recommend?
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so far the better one has been Eastspring Investments Global Emerging Markets
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post Oct 30 2012, 01:17 AM

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QUOTE(jutamind @ Oct 29 2012, 05:15 PM)
What's your strategy for this fund in you are in the profit? Do you take profit on your gains or let it run?

the reason why i ask so is that normally i dont have any eastspring funds in my FSM portfolio. So to take profit, normally this would means selling the units. this would mean that if i were to buy this fund again, then i will incur another 2% sales charge, rather than switching to another eastspring funds, which i dont have any now.
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Still in the red, losing on sales charge. Keeping for >3 years investment horizon. I'm gonna top up whenever GEM equities go thru a selling down

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post Oct 30 2012, 07:38 AM

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QUOTE(Materazzi @ Oct 30 2012, 04:55 AM)
But u hv more net worth if u hv 5 apartments than 2 bungalows leh.
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5 x 20 sen > 2 x 50 sen

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post Oct 30 2012, 11:49 PM

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U guys are taking the analogy too far doh.gif

I use another analogy grumble.gif

1 piece of 100 gram gold vs 10 pieces of 10 gram gold

dun tell me smaller pieces value bla bla bla vmad.gif

in unit trusts and even for shares, no. of units are TOTALLY IRRELEVANT to the question of worth.

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