i agree with that. in UTP the most toughest program is EE. i one of EE student there. i have seen many friends that failed paper. repeat subject n dismiss.

if u want to compare with dean's list student from EE.we are one of the lowest.mybe we compare with electrical n electronic course together.
i like electrical .some of electronic part i'm not into it much.

student that usually performed in UTP usually from CHemi . nowadays.study in utp become quite hard n strict. this sem we don't have any study weeks.

i have friends that score in their polytechnics and utm(dean's list every sem n best student) then achieve below gpa 3.00 and still not pass 3.00