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post May 1 2008, 12:59 PM, updated 18y ago

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During the early part of Spring Training 2008, I needed to decide for good if I was going to stick with Canon or switch. I tested a few different angles and situations at an Atlanta Braves pre-season game. It was a 1 pm start on a hot sunny day in Florida, and the camera couldn't perform. I was stunned how the focus tracking of the batters running toward me in the first base photo box weren't sharp. My overheads of Tim Hudson pitching weren't sharp anywhere in the frame. Photos of the Braves shortstop backlit (he wasn't moving) wasn't focused. I could no longer "trust" my Mark III.

Why do I need to think about different custom function settings? I feel that the camera's AF should work great in ALL situations. With my EOS 1V, I never changed settings. With my EOS 1DmII, I never changed settings. Images from those cameras were in focus. On a shoot, I need to think about the lighting, the exposure and connecting with the subject. I do not need to think about the "-7 AF micro adjustment" or the CF settings #2 since it is a bright and sunny day.

The Nikon D3 requires no change in settings when you go from hot sun to an air conditioned room or from an action shoot to portrait job. The camera just works.

D3 user, proud of it ? tongue.gif
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post May 1 2008, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(KTCY @ May 1 2008, 12:59 PM)
Full article here

Some of the important notes. brows.gif

During the early part of Spring Training 2008, I needed to decide for good if I was going to stick with Canon or switch. I tested a few different angles and situations at an Atlanta Braves pre-season game. It was a 1 pm start on a hot sunny day in Florida, and the camera couldn't perform. I was stunned how the focus tracking of the batters running toward me in the first base photo box weren't sharp. My overheads of Tim Hudson pitching weren't sharp anywhere in the frame. Photos of the Braves shortstop backlit (he wasn't moving) wasn't focused. I could no longer "trust" my Mark III.

Why do I need to think about different custom function settings? I feel that the camera's AF should work great in ALL situations. With my EOS 1V, I never changed settings. With my EOS 1DmII, I never changed settings. Images from those cameras were in focus. On a shoot, I need to think about the lighting, the exposure and connecting with the subject. I do not need to think about the "-7 AF micro adjustment" or the CF settings #2 since it is a bright and sunny day.

The Nikon D3 requires no change in settings when you go from hot sun to an air conditioned room or from an action shoot to portrait job. The camera just works.

D3 user, proud of it ? tongue.gif
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new technology is always better, it will be a total failure if the D3 is not better. If you want to bring ur company forward, you have to do better than your competitor.
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post May 1 2008, 01:16 PM

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QUOTE(vincent_audio @ May 1 2008, 01:09 PM)
new technology is always better, it will be a total failure if the D3 is not better. If you want to bring ur company forward, you have to do better than your competitor.
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ACtually MArk III issue are solved if I am not mistaken... Just make sure you have newer serial number like 55xxx and above...

But the only mark III issue that concern me is the switch to Lition-Ion, which should teorically have some temperature limitation just like the D3 known issue...

And second issue with mark III is not full frame... For all sport, potriat shooting with tele are a big welcome... but talk about wide angle... sad.gif My 17-40L will become 22mm widest.... cry.gif

So far that's the only 2 issues of my real concern on mark III... rclxub.gif

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post May 1 2008, 01:22 PM

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alamak..u come n post here pula...
later sure start the canon vs nikon war
should just post it in D3 thread doh.gif
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post May 1 2008, 01:25 PM

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they hv the AF problem for the MARK III, last year announced certain serials number of the Mark III hv problem AF , but now they have fixed the problem.


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post May 1 2008, 02:26 PM

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heh. wait till 5d mark2 kicks in.
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Screw em all, A winnar is a Leica M7 with Summicron and Velvia 100 film (or Kodachrome, depending on what you like)

Anyways the Mark III's problem is well known and Canon has acknowledged it with issues of viewfinder misallignment. It should have been fixed i guess.
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QUOTE(aba9785 @ May 1 2008, 01:22 PM)
alamak..u come n post here pula...
later sure start the canon vs nikon war
should just post it in D3 thread doh.gif
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only n00bs will make it into a war.

sane-minded people will discuss properly. if there's a flaw, what's there to defend?
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QUOTE(goldfries @ May 1 2008, 05:28 PM)
only n00bs will make it into a war.

sane-minded people will discuss properly. if there's a flaw, what's there to defend?
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agree with u.
hope they will read the article fully before start the bashing.

besides, there is no perfect camera in the world biggrin.gif
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yeah. see, some people regard switching as traitor. that's really stupid.

if i find the other brand suits my taste better and serves me better or if suddenly one day i find Nikon's output is towards my preference- why can't i change? right?

i do come by some people with such level of mentality. oh you change, you no good. you traitor. you stupid for going Canon.......... balbalbalbla.

instead of bashing / defending. i'd rather have discussions where people actually learn from one another how to avoid, overcome or even make use of an equipment's weakness. smile.gif
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post May 1 2008, 09:55 PM

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lol fanboyism is the last thing i wish to see..
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post May 1 2008, 10:28 PM

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On that article, i felt more like a user problem than camera problem to me. Else, canon might announce a huge recall liao.
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today u got to use a D3 whole day...damn...the camera is stunning!!! such perfect metering...i was in a workshop with all the other cameras and this d3 metered it perfectly under a strongly contrast oof sunlight shining into the room.. nod.gif
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D3 rocks i must say...
but...
i still prefer my d300's low light AF performance...

but again...
i m a proud owner of 1!
11fps kicks butt!
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Aik yah yah... Canon and Nikon... again wink.gif
It's all about "trust" and perception. It's like BMW and Merc. If you like BMW, chances are you will find good things abt it and bad things abt Merc wink.gif

But after hundreds of models and years of development, I should say the technology now is good both for Canon and Nikon. Just depends on how they position it and how your buy their ideas of positioning. It's marketing at work wink.gif
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QUOTE(xandman @ May 1 2008, 10:37 PM)
D3 rocks i must say...
but...
i still prefer my d300's low light AF performance...

but again...
i m a proud owner of 1!
11fps kicks butt!
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FANBOOYYY!!!! BAN BAN! laugh.gif

neways. at the moment, D3 holds the reputation of being technologically unimpaired. kudos nikon but just wait till 5d mark2 kicks in and zip up your bags and knock over my door and welcome to my Canon humble abode! tongue.gif

wooops.. dont ban me for this ya.
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Heh pro rich fella can ler jump ship like changing clothes. laugh.gif Normal people on the other hand just have to live with the weakness. sad.gif
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QUOTE(travis_ckf @ May 1 2008, 10:28 PM)
On that article, i felt more like a user problem than camera problem to me. Else, canon might announce a huge recall liao.
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there was a recall
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post May 2 2008, 06:59 AM

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QUOTE(dgrebel @ May 1 2008, 11:28 PM)
FANBOOYYY!!!! BAN BAN!  laugh.gif

neways. at the moment, D3 holds the reputation of being technologically unimpaired. kudos nikon but just wait till 5d mark2 kicks in and zip up your bags and knock over my door and welcome to my Canon humble abode!  tongue.gif

wooops.. dont ban me for this ya.
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i dun think loving what u have and what u use is a type of fanboyism...
but...
when u start comparing 2 different brands...like wat u juz did...
thats more of a fanboy remark...
although in case u din realise...
whatever MARK it is...it wil never be...

....i reserve my right to comment...

i m no fanboy...although deep inside...i feel like replying something which might get me banned...brows.gif
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QUOTE(travis_ckf @ May 1 2008, 10:28 PM)
On that article, i felt more like a user problem than camera problem to me. Else, canon might announce a huge recall liao.
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laugh.gif so i guess you never followed the Mark III problem then.

To those who's been catching up with the Mark 3 news, do you guys noticed that most of the focus prob, yada yada, etc are from those countries that have 4 seasons? cold temperature, hot temperature, etc. How many Mark 3 users in Msia that have the focus problem like those in the States and Europe?
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QUOTE(nairud @ May 2 2008, 09:29 AM)
laugh.gif so i guess you never followed the Mark III problem then.

To those who's been catching up with the Mark 3 news, do you guys noticed that most of the focus prob, yada yada, etc are from those countries that have 4 seasons? cold temperature, hot temperature, etc. How many Mark 3 users in Msia that have the focus problem like those in the States and Europe?
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Actually what I read in a magazine article said that it only happened on extremely hot days. I guess there wasnt much complaints from Malaysia coz there's just not many ppl who own it here as compared to US n Europe.

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QUOTE(nairud @ May 2 2008, 09:29 AM)
laugh.gif so i guess you never followed the Mark III problem then.

To those who's been catching up with the Mark 3 news, do you guys noticed that most of the focus prob, yada yada, etc are from those countries that have 4 seasons? cold temperature, hot temperature, etc. How many Mark 3 users in Msia that have the focus problem like those in the States and Europe?
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Good obversation... And over there, they dun even have the basic problem, fungus on lenses... cool2.gif
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QUOTE(ianho @ May 2 2008, 09:55 AM)
Actually what I read in a magazine article said that it only happened on extremely hot days. I guess there wasnt much complaints from Malaysia coz there's just not many ppl who own it here as compared to US n Europe.
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QUOTE(TheVoIP @ May 2 2008, 10:03 AM)
Good obversation... And over there, they dun even have the basic problem, fungus on lenses...  cool2.gif
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ppl keep on bashing other brands without looking into the why and how, then it'll become a flame bait. i have tried the Mark III from a kedah fella and i dont see any prob with his cam.
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I saw Nikon D2X for RM9000 demo unit. Good buy? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ May 2 2008, 11:22 AM)
I saw Nikon D2X for RM9000 demo unit. Good buy? tongue.gif
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more like goodbye.. huhu.. after upgrading from 30d to 40d, i cant think of any reason why i should go for the obsolete 5d.

i think technologically speaking, best if u can opt for the latest sensation.
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Eh, I thought Canon fixed the MkIII already?

I don't know how to post the following sentence without being called a fanboy, although I am just quoting a respectable local tech journalist who I met at a media event.

He was a Canon fan since the FD days, but changed to Nikon because Canon would not acknowledge or fix the sticky shutter problem that happened on older film bodies. Apparently it wouldn't happen in other climates.
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QUOTE(nairud @ May 2 2008, 11:15 AM)
ppl keep on bashing other brands without looking into the why and how, then it'll become a flame bait. i have tried the Mark III from a kedah fella and i dont see any prob with his cam.
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And the greatest problems are that... those idiots that post nonsense only got thier 'choosen' source from reading online... Yeah... Since Internet got everything... They choose what they want to believe.

If I remember well, last time this forum got one boy is even worst... He read a lot from Internet about superiority of films and threat himself God of Film.... and pretend so experts like everything from his own words... sweat.gif shakehead.gif

Compare to that idiot film-superiority boy, now this forum is much more improved already... sweat.gif

Sometime it is just hard to believe got childish people... At least I tried the cameras by myself with certain experinces to judge, then I dare to comment. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(TheVoIP @ May 2 2008, 10:03 AM)
Good obversation... And over there, they dun even have the basic problem, fungus on lenses...  cool2.gif
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Other countries don't have that high of a humidity compared to Malaysia mah brows.gif

QUOTE(dgrebel @ May 2 2008, 11:47 AM)
more like goodbye.. huhu.. after upgrading from 30d to 40d, i cant think of any reason why i should go for the obsolete 5d.

i think technologically speaking, best if u can opt for the latest sensation.
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Some people did mention that the reason why they want to move to a 5D is for the FF advantage.
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The guy in the article was in a rush when he jumped ship. Maybe he had a slight regret when he knew that it's an early batch problem. But i doubt he'd regret at all lol.

In other news:
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Canon has released firmware updates for its range-topping EOS 1D Mark III and 1Ds Mark III cameras. The updates, to versions 1.2.3 and 1.1.2 respectively, provide new custom functions to provide direct access to autofocus points and additional ways to apply exposure compensation. They also promise to: "improve the stability of AF accuracy in AI servo AF mode when shooting extremely low-contrast subjects."

1D Mark III users also gain additional control over wireless Speedlights (which was included in 1Ds firmware at launch).
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0805/08050101canonfirmware.asp
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ May 2 2008, 11:22 AM)
I saw Nikon D2X for RM9000 demo unit. Good buy? tongue.gif
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i thought i saw KY selling the demo unit for 7k?
u should check out KY at gurney plaza if u r serious to get one smile.gif

QUOTE(Joseph Hahn @ May 3 2008, 12:36 AM)
The guy in the article was in a rush when he jumped ship. Maybe he had a slight regret when he knew that it's an early batch problem. But i doubt he'd regret at all lol.

In other news:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0805/08050101canonfirmware.asp
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saw the updates today also....

hopefully less ppl will switch after upgrading to the new firmware thumbup.gif


Added on May 7, 2008, 8:04 amguess less ppl will switch now?



Canon Europe offering free warranty extension on EOS-1D Mark III, EOS-1Ds Mark III
Friday, May 2, 2008 | by Rob Galbraith
Earlier this week, Canon Europe announced a no-charge warranty extension program for the EOS-1D Mark III and EOS-1Ds Mark III. Under the terms of the program, these models' standard one year warranty will be extended to two years, with no change in the level of warranty coverage.

To qualify, the EOS-1D Mark III or EOS-1Ds Mark III must be purchased by December 31, 2008 in one of twenty European countries. The start date of the program is effectively the first date of sale of these cameras, and as such it's available retroactively to all existing owners as well.

Eligible countries are Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland and the UK. Online registration for the program is here (your camera's serial number is required).

Note: As of this writing, there appears to be an error in the registration page and/or confirmation email, one in which the date of birth (of the photographer) and date of purchase (of the camera) are getting confused. We've sent an email to Canon Europe to let them know, plus they're probably hearing about the error direct from camera owners too. Also note that the registration info mentions "EOS-1 D" and "EOS-1 DS" as the models being registered, when in fact they are the EOS-1D Mark III and EOS-1Ds Mark III.

Chuck Westfall, Technical Advisor at Canon USA, says there are no plans to offer a similar program in the U.S. (other than the existing warranty extension for EOS-1D Mark III owners who have the sub-mirror repair performed). Westfall suggests that U.S.-based EOS-1D Mark III and EOS-1Ds Mark III photographers who have questions about warranty terms, or require a repair after their warranty expires, contact Canon USA customer service directly (contact information is at the bottom of this page).

Sales of the EOS-1D Mark III in the U.S. officially commenced on May 24, 2007.

http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/content_p...cid=7-9310-9431

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