What I thought LOL.

I have no complaints about him, The Prestige looked great. then again I'm not a pro in photography.

too abstract for me to comprehend. but I dont feel anything watching them.

Damn you.

I agree on the action scenes though. The action was never the strength of the film, maybe it will be remedied in the dark knight? he's never done an action movie before batman anyway, and strictly speaking begins wasnt action for the most part.

This post has been edited by QuickFire: Apr 29 2008, 08:32 PM

He thinks the movie's twist is a cop-out because the movie seems to set out a strictly logic-based path and then resorts to sci-fi, but that's fine by me. It was cool to use a character like tesla, who had all his secret inventions taken away by the US after his death, so that added a cool allure to the all of it.

I love the twists. I had the same thoughts as hugh jackman's character, that no way Borden was using a body double. In the end that was pretty much the case, and it should have felt disappointing, but it was anything but. I should have guessed it when we see his twin magically appearing in Sarah's apartment, but the first thing that came to my mind naturally was there has to be something else, something so good we missed it all (which is impossible, just like there is no way someone can be cut in half and be alive)! The thought that he had a twin never in the slightest bit appeared in my head. Angier's twist was shocking because we see what he had become when he gave into his obsessions of revenge and his quest to be the best magician.

I see it as Borden's twin being the real twist all along, with borden sending angier to his adventures in colorado springs creating another twist. One twist was rooted in logic (the twin), the other was rooted in sci-fi fantasy (the duplication). It sounds clumsy as hell, but it worked for me.

The characters are meant to be cold and dark in the end anyway. I started out rooting for angier, and then borden, and by the end we realize they are both monsters. But there is an illusion here, because there are in fact 3 characters - the Angiers, one Borden, and the other Borden. One Borden was the monster - who tied the bad knot, who wanted revenge, who was locked up and hung in the end; the other was generally the 'good' guy - the one who loved sarah, the one who asked his twin not to pursue his obsession. Of course it is almost impossible to flesh out his/their characters 100%, as it would certainly give away the twist, you have to deduce this by paying clsoe attention to detail. In any case, you could always root for Cutter.

Actually the sci-fi element was already introduced beforehand when we got to know Tesla and his teleportation device, so you can't say the 'sci-fi'ness of it was too sudden.

You cant say Borden's twist broke the film's 'internal logic', that twist was simple but terrific. I also disagree that Angier's twist breaks the logic entirely. The movie did tap into the eccentricities of Tesla's works way before the climax came didnt it? What you are saying is that every movie should lay it's foundation and rules at the very start of the film. The Prestige didn't.

But we have really gone off topic. I still dont get how nolan's visuals dont' flow' right.

Yes, the teleportation device turned out, unintentionally, to be a duplication machine, but you didnt know Bale sent him on a wild goose chase. Or at least you couldn't really figure out whether Tesla really did invent some super machine, or whether it was just a grand hoax.

The movie may have started out strictly rooted in reality, but there is one scene which I think is pivotal in this discussion. The scene where Sarah takes Borden up to her apartment, says he cant come inside, and we see Borden walking down the stairs, and the next thing we see is Borden magically appearing inside the apartment. What went through your mind right after that scene? Because it was that scene that made me second guess the nature of the film... There couldn't be anything that could make him appear in there. It was impossible. Yet the thought of him having a twin never once flashed in my mind. The movie basically gives it to you right here, and we somehow dont take it.

The Pledge, Turn, Prestige setup of the whole film applies to the Borden twist. Angier in his quest to gain revenge and outdo Borden deviates from this unwritten 'rule' of stage magic when he chances upon the duplication machine. The 'cheat' you refer to is actually Angier cheating in the context of the film, and we see the horror he inflicted upon himself (killing a duplicate in every performance). Plus, the scene where he first duplicates himself and then shoots him is tragic stuff, because we know that the duplicate is just as much an Angier as the real Angier is. Of course, I still get it that this doesn't explain how tesla suddenly managed to come up with a device like that, but seeing that the guy's inventions are shrouded in mystery anyway, I'm not gonna pick at it.

I will have a better look when I next see any of nolan's film to try to get hold of what you mean by the damn 'flow'.

Cop out spotted.

j/k

dude, I have an exam tomorrow.

Damn sneaky bastards of rockstar lol! I saw a hooker-doing-her-stuff vid. Damn its actually pretty graphic even though you dont see anything.

you mean in the game.... right?

WTF? you had to drag your sex life into a chris nolan thread?

I just finished Batman Begins and I dont see any problems with its flow at all. It's just fine. I dont know what you're picking at here, and I think neither do the others here as well, nor do the guys I asked in another forum (one of whom was a photographer and he's picky when it comes to films). The movie is as good as ever. All it did was further whet my appetite for The Dark Knight.

no they are both great!!

With batman begins, even though the action scenes were mostly average, the film does not suffer from it. It builds up the character of batman impeccably, and the whole semi-fantasy world of gotham city is just set up so perfectly, as movie about batman's origins everything just clicks. The action is almost entirely a side aspect, the story and characters are always the focus. So while it could have been better with great action scenes, it certainly does not suffer from it, something I cant say applies 100% to Iron Man. The template is all set for an epic sequel, and the dark knight looks every inch to be exactly that. Ledger's Joker even from the trailers looks absolutely immense. Plus it has some of the best posters I've ever seen!

I do think nolan needs better explosions though.

This post has been edited by QuickFire: May 6 2008, 11:19 PM

It's a brilliant movie as it is. What stops it from achieving the utterly, stunningly awesome status is kickass action scenes. Burton's Gotham is great, but I prefer Nolan's. The characters of Scarecrow and Falcone just infuse gotham. The atmosphere is is there. It's rooted in reality yet still pseudo-fantasy.

I never really enjoyed the Superman movies. Aside from his powers, Superman is one of those 'happy' superheroes. Everything about it is happy happy happy.

I mean I dont like his limitless superpowers. Thank god for kryptonite. I just do not like the superman character (I dont mean just his characters in the movies) and the superman universe. There's just too much love going on. Lex Luthor isn't a real hardcore villain, and his girlfriend just makes him look worse. Fraternizing with the enemy... come on! Dump her already!

Which is why I liked Superman II more than the first.

dude, Cillian Murphy's Scarecrow is more terrifying than the Luthors of hackman and spacey! Damn he was underused in Begins. Anyway, come on, you dont find Heath's Joker scary??