guess it don't have much different since PI calculate 1 core oni..



32M succesfull...but still didn't try to lower down the vcore..vdimm..

No, not mine. I'm on a lowly X2 that can't even get over 250HTT.
This is on Asus's Crosshair 2 Formula mobo, nForce 780a. The nForces seem better than the 790FX now, for OC that is.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=185909
DFI's M2RS 4 (+1?) phase power might be the cause of the Phenom 8750 not reaching 3Ghz steady though.
Now that the 9850's only RM7XX, I'm not too sure about the 8750 again. 9850 means OCing high with cheap RAM, something that gets forgotten when you step into keywords like E8400 and 4Ghz. 

My room is as hot as a nuclear reactor, that's why

I still wonder why I need to pump up lots of volts to get just to 3GHz. Probably my mobo? I have Biostar TForce 550, should I use that?

Hi Guys,

Just got my AMD Phenom 9850 BE from Sempronic just now ... I'm still playing with it ... need time to fine tune the settings.. kinda difficult to play settings on my Asus board.

Agreed I used E8200 OC 4Ghz boot and Windows feel damn slow.
I also don't see any difference in World Of Conflict & Company Of Heroes in frame rates.
I believe 5000BE and paired with 3870 is a good value for everyday gaming.

Because Intel does not independant on the core itself.They share/kongsi sama2.AMD Processor,each core do their own job.EG:Core 1 Ready to display the icon and taskbar or whatsoever,Core 2 ready for starting up the systems.
While Intel processor Both core doing starting up the systems at the same time,so that its not ready to display those icons.I THINK ONLY.

You forgot AMD64/X86-64

Abit AX78 support Crossfire.1 16x,1 4x.dblooi Yeah i know i wrong.AMD64..i may know some but..later buat malu only = =

Hold on is it true Intel EM64T is just 32X2?

x86-64 was designed by AMD, who have since renamed it AMD64. It has been cloned by Intel under the name Intel 64 (formerly known as EM64T among other names). This leads to the common use of the names x86-64 or x64 as more vendor-neutral terms to collectively refer to the two nearly identical implementations.

Its highly doubtful that Deneb can clock better than 4.0Ghz, unless AMD is building them using Si-Ge (not likely due to additional R&D). And even then power efficiency may not be as good as Penryn, which uses a high-K dielectric to reduce leakage (which was resposible for the catastrophic power consumption of Pentium D at high clockspeeds, even on idle). AMD will not be changing their dielectric layer till 32nm, but there is talk of a possible late introduction at 45nm in a future revision.

Here's the current facts we know about processor performance from both AMD and Intel
-At the same clockspeed, running single threaded applications, K10 and Core architecture perform within 5% difference of each other if both chips are having the almost same cache (impossible to be identical, as only one of the 512kb L2 caches is being used). Typically this would be a e4xxx vs a identically clocked Phenom
-At the same clockspeed, Conroe and Penryn perform within 3% difference or less (often ~1%). This shows that beyond 4-6mb cache, most appplications don't show much improvement.
-Phenom (65nm) suffers from lower clockspeed (with or without overclocking), lower cache transfer rates and smaller cache than C2D/C2Q.

Known details on Deneb
-45nm process, using immersion lithography
Immersion lithography typically produces better images than double imaging (which Intel uses for 45nm), meaning defect rate would be lower and supply would be better. (It is known that at this time Intel cannot keep up with demand for 45nm procs)
-6mb L3 cache
This would elimininate the cache difference between AMD and Intel. While Intel still has more cache (12mb for C2Q), programs are not known to utilise that much.
-socket AM2+
Compatible with all current AM2/AM2+ boards, at most requiring only a BIOS update.
-otherwise, everything else is very similar to Agena

Known details on Nehalem
-will use QuickPath interconnect and new socket
This means new motherboards are required, as the socket pinout is completely different (something like PCI-E vs AGP). It may be possible to use current chipsets with modifications and a FSB to QuickPath adapter, but this is hardly an ideal solution. Nehalem will only perform properly with a new chipset.
-will have hyperthreading
Though from Skulltrail (dual socket Penryn), very very few programs are optimised to run on more than 4 cores/virtual threads.
-highest end processors will have Integrated Memory Controller (IMC) using dual/triple channel DDR3
DDR3 incurs quite a penalty in terms of latency, even the best current DDR3 has problems going up against most DDR1000-capable DDR2. This could easily negate the latency advantage of using a IMC. Bandwidth wise, memory overclocking has shown that at the moment latency is a much more severe constraint, the wait time for data to arrive is pretty large compared to the time required to transfer data to the cache (processors mostly work on data in cache).
-otherwise, as far as details are known, everything else is quite similar to Core Micro architecture

Comparision of Deneb vs Nehalem
-Intel's promise that Nehalem would beat C2D/C2Q like C2D beat Pentium D is most likely largely overrated. Core Micro was developed over 3-5 years, with all the processor R&D teams (Laptop, Desktop-former P4 team, Server) working together. After Core Micro was done, the team split in 2, one to work on Penryn, the other on Nehalem, meaning Nehalem has half the workforce available compared to Core Micro, and probably only half the ammount of time. Under that circumstances, its not wise to expect a miracle. Moreover, it didn't take much effort to beat Pentium 4/D, which was terribly inefficient to start with, and hence easy to beat. An article on Intel's R&D http://tweakers.net/reviews/740/1/chip-mag...m-pagina-1.html
-Its not likely that Nehalem would clock higher than Penryn. When both Penryn and Conroe are under extreme cooling, Penryn doesn't clock that much higher than Conroe, showing that there is a limit on current design. Nehalem is not likely to be that significantly different from Core Micro, and the IMC adds complexity which could hinder overclocking (which is the case for AM2 processors)
-What Nehalem is GOOD at is, multi-processor environments. Currently, even Core Micro Xeons cannot outperform AMD's processors in multi-processing environments due to chipset bottlenecks, and the multiprocessor-supporting chipsets are atrociously power-hungry.
In a way, they're right. Agena is a HUGE chip, difficult to manufacture. When you shift from 65nm to 45nm, the chip size is halved (which is how AMD can finally fit in 6MB L3 cache). However, while OC headroom should improve, I'm not expecting a miracle.
No difference bro, even the best B3 are struggling to go beyond 3Ghz.
Same here.
Though I think 3.6Ghz on air would be good enough to remain competitive, I'm not expecting Nehalem to be a performance miracle anyway. C2D took nearly a year to become affordable, and even then ram cost was no problem and high-end boards could still be reused. Nehalem will require both board and ram to be changed, and with AMD staying away from DDR3 for another year or more, its not likely that DDR3 prices will drop anytime soon. And Intel board have typically been expensive at launch, and slow to drop in price.

If Deneb + AMD 7 series chipset power consumption is better than Penryn + P35/X38, I'll consider it good enough already. Currently on idle both are similar since AMD's 7 series chipsets are way more efficient compared to the P35/X38 that the low power consumption of Penryn is cancelled out. Its on load thats a problem, Penryn hardly moves while Agena's power consumption skyrockets. As for Nehalem, the IMC will cause processor power consumption to go up, while chipset power consumption goes down due to the memory controller removed, Intel has often been stubborn about chipset die shrinks and chipsets are pretty backward in power efficiency. Nehalem will probably still be better than Deneb in power consumption when the whole system is taken into account, but I think Deneb should be close enough to be competitive.

I'm not expecting AMD to take back the performance or power efficieny crown anytime soon, at least not till the Bulldozer architecture is ready. However, if AMD makes no major mistakes with Deneb, AMD will probably survive well enough to make a real comeback.
Are you dreaming?
3.9Ghz would put you in the world top 10 for F3 already..
And obviously none of them were done using 'just' water cooling..
And even to reach 3.6Ghz on any cooling the voltage required is starting to get uncomfortable, what more 3.9Ghz..

Juz flash bios A78XA514.BST 2 days ago..bout boot problem, Still same , take bout 8sec when cool boot and bios save boot take bout 5sec
but a bit fast boot when restart pc

The HTT problem
i try from 250 htt to 255htt.. is no droping or auto drop if see from bios boot  but with CPU-Z still hving a lil bit droping

How high HTT can go and how stable ,i still no try yet ..sorry a bit bz this month

This is the ss HTT  255
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from 251 to 255 all htt ..... cpu-z read  the htt  with a lil bit droping

The multipier automatic drop problem i still no test yet

1 thing make me wired ...is like this .... using 5000+BE ..the mutlipier if i adjust to 14x then i enable CnQ with Htt over then 200
So i try 14 x 210 htt  ,the bios detect it like tis 14 x 210 htt with Enable CnQ ...from i know if we enable CnQ the multipier should be at default setting

Biostar TA770A2+SE Special Edition

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Every thing look good chipset AMD770 with SB700 .    and SE version has a slightly different PWM design but sound quite old version 

4-4-4-4-18 2T 3.3GhZ.

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Added on June 4, 2008, 1:29 am

Your CR only 1T there I saw...

nope, aod doesn't have any option for nb multi adjust... 

what's d vcore for ya stable clock? 

my pwm temp is really worryin, near 70'c on load... 

edited:

just realize that stressin quaddy is diff... gotta run 4 orthos at d same time for 100% usage @ each core... 

new update on d clock, gotta sacrifice some mem. performance for stability's sake... 

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give it another month bro, then u'll see... 

woot... ur back bro... plannin w/ coolice to do some record breakin stuff ah? 

9950be + this 790fx w/ sb750 board? 

Wah..would like to hear that too
Btw bro dblooi no news regarding B4 Phenoms?