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TSkuman
post Apr 22 2008, 05:07 PM, updated 18y ago

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Guys...

since i just acquired a new digicam and being bombarded by the high quality of the HDR picture you guys posted in here... now i need to try it myself to see if i can really do it...

so can anyone care to explain a lil bit on the step needed to take the HDR photo?

i did a lil google myself and 've been reading this FAQ on HDR HDR FAQ

got a few idea already but now need more infor from the expert in here...

and i saw that my digicam is listed in the list of camera ctually capable of doing HDR (technically they listed TZ3 but mine is TZ15.. an upgrade of TZ3 so maybe can do it)

so here is the Camera list HERE

and HERE is the sample of the HDR from this Photomatix page.

can anyone share their step in taking the HDR picture?


another example is taken from the sub forum thread Here i know there's a few more out there, i just picked this one at random biggrin.gif


thanks

kuman

p/s: and sorry if this is a repeated thread..

This post has been edited by kuman: Apr 22 2008, 05:11 PM
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post Apr 22 2008, 05:21 PM

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I learn through this site: http://backingwinds.blogspot.com/2006/10/h...hdr-images.html

still looking for chance to take a good hdr photo biggrin.gif
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post Apr 22 2008, 05:38 PM

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Got RM9? This month's digital camera magazine give step-by-step tutorial from the actual setup to post-processing.

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post Apr 22 2008, 07:01 PM

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My First HDR Image

I made a HDR... sort of... I wonder if this consider as HDR image?
Please kindly comment and let me know if this consider as HDR or not.

Thanks.
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post Apr 22 2008, 09:31 PM

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It looks like HDR but the picture doesnt have the impact though.
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post Apr 22 2008, 10:07 PM

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QUOTE(ronniefai @ Apr 22 2008, 07:01 PM)
I'm also keen to dabble in this HDR stuff. From the good HDR images I've seen so far, to produce a good one you need to have a picture that contains a lot of colours, or few but contrasty colours. That the point of HDR anyway - High Dynamic Range (of colours). The pic you posted is mostly gray (the foreground, the sky) so no matter how much you tweak it, they would still be mostly a range of grays... Dunno, maybe if it's a bigger pic we can see better...?

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post Apr 22 2008, 10:12 PM

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my 1st time HDRing

i use 2 pic to combine T_T no time to outing take photo

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post Apr 22 2008, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(gruddzr @ Apr 22 2008, 10:12 PM)
my 1st time HDRing

i use 2 pic to combine T_T no time to outing take photo

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post Apr 23 2008, 12:29 AM

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This is what I mean by colour contrast. I don't fancy this type of HDR so much but I just did this one as a quick example, and simply generated from 1 image instead of 3 or 5.

To get a good one, you should always use raw images, 3 or 5 exposures == tripod, and scenes with good colour contrast. The last part is not always, depends on your taste. Oh, and of course, CS2/3 or other software such as Photomatix whistling.gif

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TSkuman
post Apr 23 2008, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(tzywen @ Apr 22 2008, 05:21 PM)
I learn through this site: http://backingwinds.blogspot.com/2006/10/h...hdr-images.html

still looking for chance to take a good hdr photo biggrin.gif
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i'm looking at the site now... pretty usefull site..


QUOTE(ebernie @ Apr 22 2008, 05:38 PM)
Got RM9? This month's digital camera magazine give step-by-step tutorial from the actual setup to post-processing.

All you need, is RM9 to learn smile.gif
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WHich magazine is that?
i wonder if its still available?

QUOTE(adewhite @ Apr 23 2008, 12:29 AM)
This is what I mean by colour contrast. I don't fancy this type of HDR so much but I just did this one as a quick example, and simply generated from 1 image instead of 3 or 5.

To get a good one, you should always use raw images, 3 or 5 exposures == tripod, and scenes with good colour contrast. The last part is not always, depends on your taste. Oh, and of course, CS2/3 or other software such as Photomatix  whistling.gif

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- should but not necessary... right? since i read at Photomatix that their software can cater for the jpeg as well right?
- all u gus only use it with RAW image?
- aha... so thats the color contrast we're looking for right?
will try to explore more on the feature of my digicam on how to take his "sequence" photo... i saw that my cam got this Auto Bracket thing.... maybe useful

thanks guys

kuman

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post Apr 23 2008, 11:40 AM

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It looks like HDR but the picture doesnt have the impact though.


Hrrm.... true. I also find this picture very dull. My other friend told me he saw an egg yolk surrounded in grey sweat.gif

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I'm also keen to dabble in this HDR stuff. From the good HDR images I've seen so far, to produce a good one you need to have a picture that contains a lot of colours, or few but contrasty colours. That the point of HDR anyway - High Dynamic Range (of colours). The pic you posted is mostly gray (the foreground, the sky) so no matter how much you tweak it, they would still be mostly a range of grays... Dunno, maybe if it's a bigger pic we can see better...?


My understanding about HDR is "A feature that is capable of producing a much higher dynamic range than what is widely available at the moment."

and dynamic range simply means "Photographers use exposure range as a synonym for the luminosity range of a scene being photographed; the light sensitivity range of photographic film, paper and digital camera sensors; the opacity range of developed film images; the reflectance range of images on photographic papers."

I have seen B/W HDR image so I guess is not necessary to have lots of colours to produce a awesome HDR image. I guess more important is to get the picture show as much details as possible. That's what I thought.

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post Apr 23 2008, 11:45 AM

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Trey Ratcliff (aka StuckInCustoms) has a pretty good tutorial on how to generate HDR images using Photomatix Pro and Photoshop. check it out...

http://stuckincustoms.com/2006/06/06/548/

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post Apr 23 2008, 12:54 PM

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The magazine is called "Digital Camera".
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QUOTE(ebernie @ Apr 23 2008, 12:54 PM)
The magazine is called "Digital Camera".
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Kuman, if you feel like spending more, get Digital Camera UK, if not get Digital Camera Malaysia (DCM) for RM9
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post Apr 23 2008, 06:49 PM

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QUOTE(kuman @ Apr 23 2008, 10:57 AM)
- should but not necessary... right? since i read at Photomatix that their software can cater for the jpeg as well right?
- all u gus only use it with RAW image?
- aha... so thats the color contrast we're looking for right?
will try to explore more on the feature of my digicam on how to take his "sequence" photo... i saw that my cam got this Auto Bracket thing.... maybe useful

thanks guys

kuman
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RAW is always better as it would contain all the data/information that your camera able to take in. Whereas JPGs are already compressed, means a lot of data are already discarded - that's what JPG is all about.

Yes Photomatics can produce HDR image from 1 pic, and they call it pseudo HDR image cause it's not really HDR in the true sense.

Why 3 or more image? I hope you are familiar with the EV (or exposure bias) concept. In simplest term, if you are taking a picture of a person with the sun/light behind the said person, you would get a dark face, right? To solve this, you increase the EV bias to +1 or more - then you get the face nicely exposed, while the background will be blurred or totally washed out. Try it with a person and a sunset as a background - if you increase EV to expose the face nicely, the sunset will be totally washed out. Unless you use a flash but that's a whole different story.

Now let's say you get down low in front of a nice house to get that nice low profile shot pointing upward - so you basically have a grassy foreground, the house as the subject, and the sky as background, maybe even a mountain in between. How to get an image that contains the best, the most range of available colours of all elements - foreground, house, mountain, sky, with all shadows and highlights and everything in between? You take 3, or 5 identical shots, with different EV values... this is where auto bracketing (not to be confused with multiple exposure) comes in handy, but manually changing the EV with every shot is also no big deal if you camera don't have it.

And using the sofware mentioned, you combine the 3 (or more) shots into one image that contains the maximum data, which you can tweak to your taste. Some people like the cartoony style, some like the realistic look. To each his own.

That's what HDR is.

A note on pseudo HDR i.e. 1 image - you have only one image, so you use software to adjust the EV, save it into 3 or more files, and recombine. You can see why this is usually not as nice as those produced from multiple shots. It's like digital zoom - the image is magnified by software and not by the lens.
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I think using photomatix pro 3 is good smile.gif

1st HDR done by me sweat.gif I dont have ahem ahem key or what...just use trail cry.gif
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u can see examples on my hdr thread... from bad to better.. hahah http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/590158
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QUOTE(168257061 @ Apr 23 2008, 06:56 PM)
I think using photomatix pro 3 is good smile.gif

1st HDR done by me sweat.gif I dont have ahem ahem key or what...just use trail  cry.gif
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Very nice rclxms.gif I like it.

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QUOTE(razuryza @ Apr 23 2008, 08:03 PM)
u can see examples on my hdr thread... from bad to better.. hahah http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/590158
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your work is from good -> better.
No bad at all , for me biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(adewhite @ Apr 23 2008, 08:03 PM)
Very nice rclxms.gif I like it.

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TSkuman
post Apr 24 2008, 08:41 AM

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QUOTE(ebernie @ Apr 23 2008, 12:54 PM)
The magazine is called "Digital Camera".
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QUOTE(lwliam @ Apr 23 2008, 02:04 PM)
Kuman, if you feel like spending more, get Digital Camera UK, if not get Digital Camera Malaysia (DCM) for RM9
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Thanks.. i'll try to find the Malaysia version later today biggrin.gif

QUOTE(adewhite @ Apr 23 2008, 06:49 PM)
RAW is always better as it would contain all the data/information that your camera able to take in. Whereas JPGs are already compressed, means a lot of data are already discarded - that's what JPG is all about.

Yes Photomatics can produce HDR image from 1 pic, and they call it pseudo HDR image cause it's not really HDR in the true sense.

Why 3 or more image? I hope you are familiar with the EV (or exposure bias) concept. In simplest term, if you are taking a picture of a person with the sun/light behind the said person, you would get a dark face, right? To solve this, you increase the EV bias to +1 or more - then you get the face nicely exposed, while the background will be blurred or totally washed out. Try it with a person and a sunset as a background - if you increase EV to expose the face nicely, the sunset will be totally washed out. Unless you use a flash but that's a whole different story.

Now let's say you get down low in front of a nice house to get that nice low profile shot pointing upward - so you basically have a grassy foreground, the house as the subject, and the sky as background, maybe even a mountain in between. How to get an image that contains the best, the most range of available colours of all elements - foreground, house, mountain, sky, with all shadows and highlights and everything in between? You take 3, or 5 identical shots, with different EV values... this is where auto bracketing (not to be confused with multiple exposure) comes in handy, but manually changing the EV with every shot is also no big deal if you camera don't have it.

And using the sofware mentioned, you combine the 3 (or more) shots into one image that contains the maximum data, which you can tweak to your taste. Some people like the cartoony style, some like the realistic look. To each his own.

That's what HDR is.

A note on pseudo HDR i.e. 1 image - you have only one image, so you use software to adjust the EV, save it into 3 or more files, and recombine. You can see why this is usually not as nice as those produced from multiple shots. It's like digital zoom - the image is magnified by software and not by the lens.
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wow.. thanks for the lengthly explanation, really appreciate it biggrin.gif
now i understand what its all about and the secret behind it

QUOTE(razuryza @ Apr 23 2008, 07:03 PM)
u can see examples on my hdr thread... from bad to better.. hahah http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/590158
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its should be good to better.. smile.gif
good job there..

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ok yesterday i did try taking picture with my digicam using the Auto Braket feature... but it turn out pretty bad since i didnt use any tripod... (just so eager to try) and combine them in PS CS2, it work but with all the blurry edges...

i'll take more picture later and try to post it a sample of it in here.. then only i can truly understand the HDR

thanks guys

kuman


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