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post Apr 18 2008, 12:54 AM, updated 18y ago

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Do you think people with straight A or very good result very proud? Normally Auntie will show off their friend tellin others that their daughther / son get good result. But for me i think there is 2 reasons that can prove you're really studying or just memorising?

Usually secondary school are more into memorising than using common sence, tend they will memorise and put it all into the exam paper. Whereas after college life, they tend to use their brains.. ermm.. But after all study til the end of the day, how many people will ensure they get a good job with a better pay?

Afterall, i think studyin is just a part of ours lives of gaining extra knowledge, but in the end of the day, How many of the Straight A's student will bcome a millionaire or somethin.. for example, bill gates he didnt study and he was naughty during his childhood. but today.. what is him now?

Getting Straight A so WHAT? I think should explain this to those auntie.. whistling.gif

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common sense...

i remember, there was one teacher that used to teach me WAY back... and i will never forget this... he used to say "common sense is not very common"...
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post Apr 18 2008, 01:00 AM

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if you dont know how to reuse the thing that you had learned...how to earn a lot??
you got to [cantonese]]eat brain [/cantonese] rather than getting best result...

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experience + brains + money + business = success
Nerd + everyday just know how to study only = phailed shakehead.gif

remember kids.
results is not everything,
it's a hard work to earn money, money doesn't come easy

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QUOTE(tvcat @ Apr 18 2008, 02:00 AM)
if you dont know how to reuse the thing that you had learned...how to earn a lot??
you got to [cantonese]]eat brain [/cantonese] rather than getting best result...
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how to re-use SEJARAH? Sch is good at producing EMPLOYEES but not EMPLOYERS smile.gif
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That is what noobs say to comfort themselves thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(bonedragon @ Apr 18 2008, 02:08 AM)
That is what noobs say to comfort themselves thumbup.gif
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Somehow this is true, comfort, but in the other way this is reality, results is not everything, it won't take you far flex.gif

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post Apr 18 2008, 01:10 AM

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nope smart in exam doesnt mean will smart make money in real world.

I seen alot ppl with degree and master or phd cant get a job. A drop out can make millions.

Bill Gates dont have a degree and he is a drop out so his Micheal DELL

I seen so many ppl today they have degree in this and that but when they go out and work they cant even get a job they studied finally they take something else

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straight A students...yeah crap, they will only end up working for somebody else.
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post Apr 18 2008, 01:13 AM

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QUOTE(Avex @ Apr 18 2008, 01:13 AM)
straight A students...yeah crap, they will only end up working for somebody else.
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haha tats proven dude

Tis what a dato' told me Straight A student is studying so hard to work for someone tat have no paper. Wat a joke but thats true u hire smart ppl to work for you and result all u get

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better than straight fail students..can't work for nobody.
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then u will advise your child dont work hard and good result doesnt mean good?
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post Apr 18 2008, 01:16 AM

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Its very good to have great students with straight A`s all the while...
but in rare case, these students have the potential to earn a lot of money in a month...

people out there are searching for people who can think, and not people who can study....
believe me, tricky and "bad" people earns the most...
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this is malaysia. get real.
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post Apr 18 2008, 01:19 AM

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QUOTE(PrinceHamsap @ Apr 18 2008, 01:15 AM)
then u will advise your child dont work hard and good result doesnt mean good?
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Of course its a gateway to work for ppl. Have you watch the secrets? If u havent u should
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QUOTE(jason18689 @ Apr 18 2008, 01:16 AM)
Its very good to have great students with straight A`s all the while...
but in rare case, these students have the potential to earn a lot of money in a month...

people out there are searching for people who can think, and not people who can study....
believe me, tricky and "bad" people earns the most...
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post Apr 18 2008, 01:21 AM

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LOL Bill gates never study...never study how to go Harvard? Dropped out not because he got kicked or whatever la, he saw a business opportunity and took it. You think he will be where he is now if he didn't get good grades, went into harvard, met people there? LOL
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between...spm exam is a piece of cake..

if u forced to drop out because u can't do it well, u really an idiot
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QUOTE(bonedragon @ Apr 18 2008, 01:21 AM)
LOL Bill gates never study...never study how to go Harvard? Dropped out not because he got kicked or whatever la, he saw a business opportunity and took it. You think he will be where he is now if he didn't get good grades, went into harvard, met people there? LOL
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u should watch silicon valley or read his history. Dont change ppl history by making your own story dude.

Do u even know how microsoft started?

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QUOTE(jason18689 @ Apr 18 2008, 01:16 AM)


people out there are searching for people who can think, and not people who can study....
believe me, tricky and "bad" people earns the most...
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if u can't think ...how come u can study ....both are relevant ..

good result proven u are smart ...
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QUOTE(4minutes @ Apr 18 2008, 01:25 AM)
if u can't think ...how come u can study ....both are relevant ..

good result proven u are smart ...
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Book Smart doesnt means u can survive well in the world.

Street Smart does help
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post Apr 18 2008, 01:28 AM

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study + good results = making the world more competitive
If no competition in this world, yawn.gif

I love to compete with ppls, so syok until you cannot breath properly.
Wait till next decade where everyone got master,
then the market flooded with phds, doctors and stuffs.
Super hard time for them to find a job.


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QUOTE(Stefanov @ Apr 18 2008, 01:28 AM)
study + good results = making the world more competitive
If no competition in this world,  yawn.gif

I love to compete with ppls, so syok until you cannot breath properly.
Wait till next decade where everyone got master,
then the market flooded with phds, doctors and stuffs.
Super hard time for them to find a job.
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lol like i got my manager post. I dont even need to show my degree i straight away got hired because i know the boss personally and he is confident in me
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QUOTE(babybolster @ Apr 18 2008, 12:54 AM)
Do you think people with straight A or very good result very proud? Normally Auntie will show off their friend tellin others that their daughther / son get good result. But for me i think there is 2 reasons that can prove you're really studying or just memorising?

Usually secondary school are more into memorising than using comment sence, tend they will memorise and put it all into the exam paper. Whereas after college life, they tend to use their brains.. ermm.. But after all study til the end of the day, how many people will ensure they get a good job with a better pay?

Afterall, i think studyin is just a part of ours lives of gaining extra knowledge, but in the end of the day, How many of the Straight A's student will bcome a millionaire or somethin.. for example, bill gates he didnt study and he was naughty during his childhood. but today.. what is him now?

Getting Straight A so WHAT? I think should explain this to those auntie.. whistling.gif
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so u just wanna get rich in life ?

hahahaha

btw, there is only 1 bill gates in this world.. stop dreaming lol.

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If you work for ppl u never get rich. Just enough to survive
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good to hear that.

thanks to our neighbours anyway like SG.
kiasi and kiasu attitude.
scared to die or lose,
oh pls, we hoomans have our upside and downside all the time.

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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Apr 18 2008, 01:26 AM)
Book Smart doesnt means u can survive well in the world.

Street Smart does help
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both are same thing ...

like u good in cooking ... u sell your food very expensive still people buy


i good in drawing ...i sell my art work very expensive still people buy


Book Smart meant u could survive well in the world..if u dont agree , gimme an example ..
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QUOTE(Stefanov @ Apr 18 2008, 01:33 AM)
good to hear that.

thanks to our neighbours anyway like SG.
kiasi and kiasu attitude.
scared to die or lose,
oh pls, we hoomans have our upside and downside all the time.
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Fine if u wanna compare like that but what about malaysia? We are goin totally no where? More bribe more makan duit Minister makan duit. Every project in malaysia sure goverment makan duit. Police makan duit As long as u have money u kill ppl u wont go to jail , EVEN THE JUDGE ARE DIRTY. HINDRAF ? Wat else? Election also badawi play dirty. How can entire penang win and he never lose? They changed the votes u know.
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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Apr 18 2008, 02:30 AM)
lol like i got my manager post. I dont even need to show my degree i straight away got hired because i know the boss personally and he is confident in me
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good.. so i dam hate those auntie showing / tellin everyone her. daughther / his. son getting very good result. I will show dem a sweat face sweat.gif
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QUOTE(4minutes @ Apr 18 2008, 01:34 AM)
both are same thing ...

like u good in cooking ... u sell your food very expensive still people buy
i good in drawing ...i sell my art work very expensive still people buy
Book Smart meant u could survive well in the world..if u dont agree , gimme an example ..
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Book smart are ppl only good in reading reading reading

Example accountant are very bad in business. They are only good in counting every thing .

Street Smart they use more in brain to survive
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QUOTE(babybolster @ Apr 18 2008, 01:36 AM)
good.. so i dam hate those auntie showing / tellin everyone her. daughther / his. son getting very good result. I will show dem a sweat face sweat.gif
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let them la U should pity them lo . They got nth to show off already thats the only thing left. Give them chance lo
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QUOTE(babybolster @ Apr 18 2008, 01:36 AM)
good.. so i dam hate those auntie showing / tellin everyone her. daughther / his. son getting very good result. I will show dem a sweat face sweat.gif
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u will like it if u got straight As...

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i am so proud of myself for getting straight As... and the goal is not to earn $$$ but to seek knowledge and education... i also like to compete with the rest to ensure i am one of the top

my mum and dad likes to brag, but i think this is wrong as the results is not theirs its mine, only i can brag. although they did support me, but bragging is bad.

getting good results doesnt always mean you are kiasu... it shows are good you are compared to others... competition breeds elites... it filters out the useless ones and ensure only deserved ones are being rewarded...
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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Apr 18 2008, 01:37 AM)
Book smart are ppl only good in reading reading reading

Example accountant are very bad in business. They are only good in counting every thing .

Street Smart they use more in brain to survive
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that not true ....if good in counting , how come bad in business?

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rob bank ... cheat people money ....is that called Street smart?
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getting good results doesnt always mean you are kiasu... it shows are good you are compared to others... competition breeds elites... it filters out the useless ones and ensure only deserved ones are being rewarded...
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too bad our m'sia system is doing it oppositely ...

Gov is trying hard to keeping idiots survive in m'sia ... whistling.gif
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Simple case of sour grapes. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(4minutes @ Apr 18 2008, 01:48 AM)
that not true ....if good in counting , how come bad in business?

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rob bank ... cheat people money ....is that called Street smart?
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business not only need calculation, it needs strategies, marketing plans, evaluation and bla bla bla..

counting is just counting money.
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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Apr 18 2008, 01:53 AM)
Simple case of sour grapes.  biggrin.gif
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most brilliant post in the thread.
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QUOTE(4minutes @ Apr 18 2008, 01:52 AM)
too bad our m'sia system is doing it oppositely ...

Gov is trying hard to keeping idiots survive in m'sia ... whistling.gif
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yeaps.. that's why a lot of people are getting the impression that no matter what you do, your fate is already decided... and there's no place for merit... too many inbreeding, cronyism, favourism is bad for human kind... meritocracy is the best... however equal oppotunity must be given to the weaker ones to excel

to those that have been in msia for their entire life, should go out and take a look at the world..
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QUOTE(mindkiller6610 @ Apr 18 2008, 01:54 AM)
business not only need calculation, it needs strategies, marketing plans, evaluation and bla bla bla..

counting is just counting money.
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counting involve what u stated
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QUOTE(4minutes @ Apr 18 2008, 01:57 AM)
counting involve what u stated
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that's not counting, that's analysis and thinking, i call it calculation.

example,
counting , finding out the profit , profit = revenue - cost

calculation , how to get maximum revenue in the shortest time frame..

in Malaysia, u dun really need to be the top dog to win the food,
u just need to know the way to get together with correct group of ppl..

that's y Malaysia is still Malaysia

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QUOTE(4minutes @ Apr 18 2008, 02:57 AM)
counting involve what u stated
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yea, business need to know the marketing opportunities.. Hahah.. I'm a business student! But i dont study.. business is fun. using comment sence 2 apply is more den enuff
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in Malaysia, u dun really need to be the top dog to win the food,
u just need to know the way to get together with correct group of ppl..

that's y Malaysia is still Malaysia
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that y EQ or social skill are more importance than IQ ..






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QUOTE(mindkiller6610 @ Apr 18 2008, 02:00 AM)
in Malaysia, u dun really need to be the top dog to win the food,
u just need to know the way to get together with correct group of ppl..

that's y Malaysia is still Malaysia
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rclxms.gif agree... eventually we will lose out to the emerging eastern tigers...

the elites will leave for better opportunities... and only those that has no where to go will be left back not all but majority...

but of course msia is still home ^^ my parents n grandparents wont leave...

back to topic shall we? what so hard to get good results... our pub exams are not that though
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QUOTE(babybolster @ Apr 18 2008, 02:04 AM)
yea, business need to know the marketing opportunities.. Hahah.. I'm a business student! But i dont study.. business is fun. using comment common sence 2 apply is more den enuff
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not only marketing, there are other fields in business you must learn as well...

common sense is enough to manage a goreng pisang stall... but not a 100k employee organization

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back to topic shall we? what so hard to get good results... our pub exams are not that though
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to be fair ... if u f*** up during primary school, rarely u manage to back in track at secondary school and so on
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QUOTE(SeLrAhC @ Apr 18 2008, 02:07 AM)
not only marketing, there are other fields in business you must learn as well...

common sense is enough to manage a goreng pisang stall... but not a 100k employee organization
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ya

every normal human have common sense ..

we need to have idea generator ....we need improve every thing we have ... we need invent
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QUOTE(4minutes @ Apr 18 2008, 02:09 AM)
to be fair ... if u f*** up during  primary school, rarely u manage to back in track at secondary school and so on
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well... i would say i am one of those that f_cked up during primary school and form 3... 3As 2B and 5As 2Bs.... but in my SPM i got straight A1s except for 1119

my parents didnt force me to take tuition when i was young, so i just played everyday and enjoy my life. until my cousins start pressuring me and my parents, only then did i realise the world is not that simple.
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QUOTE(SeLrAhC @ Apr 18 2008, 02:13 AM)
well... i would say i am one of those that f_cked up during primary school and form 3... 3As 2B and 5As 2Bs.... but in my SPM i got straight A1s except for 1119

my parents didnt force me to take tuition when i was young, so i just played everyday and enjoy my life. until my cousins start pressuring me and my parents, only then did i realise the world is not that simple.
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I think what he meant by f***ed up primary school are those who always phailed their exam whistling.gif

btw, my friend who work as a supervisor in lowyat selling handphone, his salary could reach 6k easily after added comission monthly
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good, apparently he has lot of "comment sence".

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QUOTE(SeLrAhC @ Apr 18 2008, 02:13 AM)
well... i would say i am one of those that f_cked up during primary school and form 3... 3As 2B and 5As 2Bs.... but in my SPM i got straight A1s except for 1119

my parents didnt force me to take tuition when i was young, so i just played everyday and enjoy my life. until my cousins start pressuring me and my parents, only then did i realise the world is not that simple.
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obviously u potentially can get such result
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No lo, abt the common sence thingy, DONT see my friends studyin same class with me got =.= alwiz memorising notes only.. see also sian.. btw tml i got finals.. den im grad..

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What's comment sence?
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it is a very common and very comment sence of sense..
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QUOTE(mindkiller6610 @ Apr 18 2008, 03:35 AM)
it is a very common and very comment sence of sense..
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yeah tats right.. nice kor kor
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woot, nize kor kor you has der. rclxms.gif
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woot, nize kor kor you has der. rclxms.gif
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hey nub, wats on my ah bengz thread, wth is the guy saying? what flirting?


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hey nub, wats on my ah bengz thread, wth is the guy saying? what flirting?
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Hey baby, dont know o. Try to ask kor kor.
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QUOTE(Nub! @ Apr 18 2008, 03:43 AM)
Hey baby, dont know o. Try to ask kor kor.
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u also kor kor la.. haihz i come here n sell my stuff.. no ppl buy den i ma create topic chat here lo. den they said i create topic ask ppl 2 flirt me .. KNN
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i am a small kid please..

i just did my SPM last year. smile.gif
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that not true ....if good in counting , how come bad in business?

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Why must street smart means must rob bank? It shows your intelligence or limitation of your mind?
Learn to do business then you will understand why i say that!

Street Smart means u work hard u work smart and always show results faster than a person with alot papers.


Today what our bosses want is RESULTS .
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I'll be honest and say that street smarts aren't going to replace simple academia any time soon, but at the same time don't put too much faith into your studies because even as some my lecs say "your textbook was written by an idiot". Not everything can be done from a perfect perspective, for example, you might be the world's best doctor, but put yourself in the shoes of a Navy Corpsman and treating a man with an RPG stuck in his ass and you'd be shitting more bricks than ever.

My personal aim to do decently in both, instead of excell in one, i believe that practicality is as important as a formal foundation. Most EE students just deal with theory and small scale, i like doing stuff like soldering, arc welding, clamp testing and other field work because i believe it augments my knowledge that i've learned in the class.

No point in finishing your exams with a HD if you can't deal with a 115kV transmission line IRL or have basic common sense. The is neither a point in totally bombing all your test and being unable to understand what a rotating phase is in cartesian. Best of both worlds i figure.

PS: I'm a lousy student, i do everything last minute and i just aim for anything higher than a C+, i believe my time is better spent putting my life on the line by playing with high voltage in lab.
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my friend got 2.4 CGPA and my other friend got 3.6 CGPA...in the end, they work at the same place with same salary....hahahaha....
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that not true ....if good in counting , how come bad in business?

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Hi Newbie!!!

Good in accounting means you can COUNT and balance your account sheets.

Doing business means you take RISKS, good at selling your ideas and concepts, strategize, research, good in networking, etc etc.
Bottom line is, good businessman hires book smart people to do the work for him.

Book smart will only get you to be employees. It is those that are street smart that gets to be bosses.
And those with book smart and street smart skills, gets to be Billionaires!

QUOTE(4minutes @ Apr 18 2008, 02:09 AM)
to be fair ... if u f*** up during  primary school, rarely u manage to back in track at secondary school and so on
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There are many traders who are earning 100K a year who had dropped out from schools. What say you?
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my friend got 2.4 CGPA and my other friend got 3.6 CGPA...in the end, they work at the same place with same salary....hahahaha....
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Bottom line, don't study hard, but bullshit hard at job interviews.
bullshit will get you far in your career. PhD in Bullshit!
Got one more thing. PHD in Angkatology brows.gif brows.gif coz some ppl manage to climb via such strategies too rclxub.gif but when u ask them somethin, they know nuts whistling.gif
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Academic results only give you the privilege of starting at a slightly higher rung. It doesn't guarantee you a decent income or lifestyle yet. You still have to prove yourself in the workforce for those.

Lots of fresh grads have the misconception that good results = WIN. That's wrong.
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LOL. You can achieve the same also but need some erm... sacrifices.
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Hi Newbie!!!
There are many traders who are earning 100K a year who had dropped out from schools. What say you?
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how old are those trader ? 50?60?70?

that time is different ..

nowadays , a secondary school standard people ... what thing could he does to earn 10k monthly ...

without foundation ...how u stand?

without modal...how u start business?

not to mention , one should earn money in proper way ...not selling drug ....booker ...etc

else ,even u are rich ...people would look less at u...
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QUOTE(4minutes @ Apr 18 2008, 03:27 PM)
how old are those trader ? 50?60?70?

that time is different ..

nowadays , a secondary school standard people ... what thing could he does to earn 10k monthly ...

without foundation ...how u stand?

without modal...how u start business?

not to mention , one should earn money in proper way ...not selling drug ....booker ...etc

else ,even u are rich ...people would look less at u...
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I won't look down on those in gray area businesses, the type where no one gets hurt.

In anycase, I don't look up on those who are rich. I rather look up at the average Joe toiling hard at a mundane job but keeping at it because it puts food on the table for his family.

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QUOTE(4minutes @ Apr 18 2008, 03:27 PM)
how old are those trader ? 50?60?70?

that time is different ..

nowadays , a secondary school standard people ... what thing could he does to earn 10k monthly ...

without foundation ...how u stand?

without modal...how u start business?

not to mention , one should earn money in proper way ...not selling drug ....booker ...etc

else ,even u are rich ...people would look less at u...
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Early twenties, thirties and forties.

Some even went and do full time freelance right after SPM. Some ventured into internet business full time after SPM also, and earns more than what most grads earn.

Also, traders are those that sell hardwares, mechanics, etc etc. Skill based work. Yes, and they do earn ALOT.
And you left out farm owners (kelapa sawit, rubber trees) who were shit rich long time ago, and their generations are rich also.


So don't assume only grads are capable of earning money legally. Many of them are involved in white-collar commercial crimes too.


Besides, being book smart doesn't teach you how to sell. If you can't sell, you are doomed in your career because:
1) you can't sell your ideas & concepts to your boss, so end up as an apple polishing Yes-Man
2) Got played out in office politics and made to appear like an incompetent fool.

Book smart and street smart. A lethal combination. Not relying on books only...and neither does paper cert guarantee anything. One just need to pickup relevant books and start reading on their own.

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sami more better example

street smart and go into politics, can get you into much much more richer

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Good student did get you good income .
I am giving you a true real life story now.

One of my nephew finished UM as no.1 best student in accountancy.He started work with salary around RM 2k+ .
1 year later, his salary increase to RM 4k+.
Another year,changed to > RM 10k when China's beijing firm employed him.
Another 2 years,he want to come back to M'sia, but his boss requested him to stay.
Guess what his basic salary now ? nod.gif


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so u just wanna get rich in life ?

hahahaha

btw, there is only 1 bill gates in this world.. stop dreaming lol.
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50k? Anyway in the end is still need combo of both books and street smart la..i mean generally.
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50k? Anyway in the end is still need combo of both books and street smart la..i mean generally.
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Bill Gates didn't even graduate.

Ultimately it's not only about having good academic results. It's also about work ethics, perceptiveness, how to handle people et cetera that they don't teach you in school.
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QUOTE(allinuff @ Apr 18 2008, 06:46 PM)
Bill Gates didn't even graduate.

Ultimately it's not only about having good academic results. It's also about work ethics, perceptiveness, how to handle people et cetera that they don't teach you in school.
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Some people borned to be talented that way .Sometimes, talent person has poor familiy background.Hence, some with low education did not mean they are not smart in doing work.Some came out early to acquire street smart experience.
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Attitude is the most important thing when you start work. If you can't work as a group, then you're not going to get anywhere. If you lose your temper when you're told to do something you don't particularly like, then you're not going to get anywhere. If you don't like someone you're working with, don't show it. You ain't going to get anywhere as you don't get on well with your colleague. You need to be good at crawling in front of your boss no matter how shit he/she is. When you get promoted to senior position one day, you will be the shit instead. laugh.gif
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A certificate is more like a "highway" a shortcut to good and steady income. However, you yourself needs to be streetsmart.
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Experience comes first  wink.gif
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without having the right know-hows, how do you get the experince? would people even hire you? and behind every great people, there are good sifus.
look at khairy..=.=

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QUOTE(atrocitines @ Apr 18 2008, 07:11 PM)
knowledge is power.
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QUOTE(PenangLaksa @ Apr 18 2008, 07:15 PM)
Experience comes first  wink.gif
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To a boss, the combination of these always get attention.You have theory,u need practical back-up also.
Dun tell me that the company hire you is to let you sit in the office using mouth talking.Well, result won't come out from your mouth.It needs sacrificing and involve many efforts and skill . nod.gif
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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Apr 18 2008, 06:16 PM)
Early twenties, thirties and forties.

Some even went and do full time freelance right after SPM. Some ventured into internet business full time after SPM also, and earns more than what most grads earn.

Also, traders are those that sell hardwares, mechanics, etc etc. Skill based work. Yes, and they do earn ALOT.
And you left out farm owners (kelapa sawit, rubber trees) who were shit rich long time ago, and their generations are rich also.
So don't assume only grads are capable of earning money legally. Many of them are involved in white-collar commercial crimes too.
Besides, being book smart doesn't teach you how to sell. If you can't sell, you are doomed in your career because:
1) you can't sell your ideas & concepts to your boss, so end up as an apple polishing Yes-Man
2) Got played out in office politics and made to appear like an incompetent fool.

Book smart and street smart. A lethal combination. Not relying on books only...and neither does paper cert guarantee anything. One just need to pickup relevant books and start reading on their own.
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i known very well about /agriculture/ farmers ... whether fed chicken ...cow..pig ..sheep ...fish ... palm ...etc ...not to mention those who doing chain-business ...

ya ...most of them din even know a single malay or english word ...but 80% archive 1million before 40 yr old ...

but most of them started their business since their forefather ...since they didn't have very well education ...parts of them got cheated / addicted in gamble ...etc

majority of them really easily can get cheat ...
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u said spm leaver can strainght become a trader ... if his family wasn't a stable family ...where he got such money to buy in products for selling?

lend money from other can cause more problems ...

even some could do it ...but how much is it ?1/100 ?

i trying to say ...cert do secure one's income but without it ,the chance is minimal
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QUOTE(allinuff @ Apr 18 2008, 06:46 PM)
Bill Gates didn't even graduate.

Ultimately it's not only about having good academic results. It's also about work ethics, perceptiveness, how to handle people et cetera that they don't teach you in school.
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lol... jesus didnt graduate, mohd didnt graduate, uncle lim didnt graduate, buddha didnt graduate... but are you them? no...

to those that dont want to achieve anything in life it is up to them... there's no point trying to educate them... getting good grades is not all about making $$$ but knowledge and education...

a lot of people in msia dont deserve their wealth... that doesnt mean this situation is happening around the world... so if you want to be just 'street smart' then dont study and flunk all your papers and use whatever common sense you have... but dont belittle those that want to achieve more in life...
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QUOTE(Winfeel @ Apr 18 2008, 07:38 PM)
Good student did get you good income .
I am giving you a true real life story now.

One of my nephew finished UM as no.1 best student in accountancy.He started work with salary around RM 2k+ .
1 year later, his salary increase to RM 4k+.
Another year,changed to > RM 10k when China's beijing firm employed him.
Another 2 years,he want to come back to M'sia, but his boss requested him to stay.
Guess what his basic salary now ?  nod.gif


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Not all businessman is successful businessman.Some turned into bankruptcy . smile.gif
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SPM cannot prove anything. But Stpm and Pre-university can prove u r smart if can get good result.
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QUOTE(Winfeel @ Apr 18 2008, 06:38 PM)
Good student did get you good income .
I am giving you a true real life story now.

One of my nephew finished UM as no.1 best student in accountancy.He started work with salary around RM 2k+ .
1 year later, his salary increase to RM 4k+.
Another year,changed to > RM 10k when China's beijing firm employed him.
Another 2 years,he want to come back to M'sia, but his boss requested him to stay.
Guess what his basic salary now ?  nod.gif


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Not all businessman is successful businessman.Some turned into bankruptcy . smile.gif
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Your nephew is still an employee. Guess how much he would have earned if he was the boss of THAT company? wink.gif

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i known very well about /agriculture/ farmers ... whether fed chicken ...cow..pig ..sheep ...fish ... palm ...etc ...not to mention those who doing chain-business ...

ya ...most of them din even know  a single malay or english word ...but 80% archive 1million before 40 yr old ...

but most of them started their business since their forefather ...since they didn't have very well education ...parts of them got cheated / addicted in gamble ...etc

majority of them really easily can get cheat ...

Majority? Do you have the demographics data to back it up?

White collar workers are also susceptible to being cheated (ING baring, remember?), gambles and what not.
Such ill fated issues aren't limited to any social groups. Everyone is susceptible, educated or otherwise.

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u said spm leaver can strainght become a trader ... if his family wasn't a  stable  family ...where he got such money to buy in products for selling?

lend money from other can cause more problems ...

even some could do it ...but how much is it ?1/100 ?

i trying to say ...cert do secure  one's  income but without it ,the chance is minimal
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Stability of the family isn't an exclusive factor.
On the contrary, people without stability of income in (or stable family), would not be able to afford to further their studies.

And now with information easily and freely available, everyone has greater chance to start their business ventures with greater knowledge in hand without even going to college! (and saves so much more money too!)
Remember how expensive our education is. Think about the amount of money used



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QUOTE(SeLrAhC @ Apr 18 2008, 09:14 PM)
lol... jesus didnt graduate, mohd didnt graduate, uncle lim didnt graduate, buddha didnt graduate... but are you them? no...

to those that dont want to achieve anything in life it is up to them... there's no point trying to educate them... getting good grades is not all about making $$$ but knowledge and education...

a lot of people in msia dont deserve their wealth... that doesnt mean this situation is happening around the world... so if you want to be just 'street smart' then dont study and flunk all your papers and use whatever common sense you have... but dont belittle those that want to achieve more in life...
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You forgot YTL.

Regardless of being educated or not, one ought to have the drive to succeed, and the initiative to implement it.
Without these, one would never be successful.

The difference in being street smart is knowing HOW to implement their knowledge.
Book smart people is only competent in theories.
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people getting good grades is for getting scholarships only....dats all...after that your good grades is nothing liao de..... Getting good grades is for scholarships only and scholarships alone. That, is the main definition of good grades. The showing of part is a bonus for a short period only.
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My neighbour....

28 years old chap, married, 1 child.

Bought a RM400K house, own a EVO7 and a 4 door Civic.


Opposite neighbour....

30 - 35 years old, married, 1 child

Bought a RM400K house, own a 5 Series and a Camry.


They are not English speaking people, do you guys know what are their daily work? You guys will be shock to hear this.





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QUOTE(SeLrAhC @ Apr 18 2008, 09:14 PM)
lol... jesus didnt graduate, mohd didnt graduate, uncle lim didnt graduate, buddha didnt graduate... but are you them? no...

to those that dont want to achieve anything in life it is up to them... there's no point trying to educate them... getting good grades is not all about making $$$ but knowledge and education...

a lot of people in msia dont deserve their wealth... that doesnt mean this situation is happening around the world... so if you want to be just 'street smart' then dont study and flunk all your papers and use whatever common sense you have... but dont belittle those that want to achieve more in life...
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Not everyone wants to be an academic.

Everyone has their reasons for doing things, and academia isn't the achievement in life, like everything else it's just a ticket. What ever it is an achievement should be practical. Wanna do well? Fine, don't need to defend it like you're defending the last of the species.

Alot here make a valid point. My old man graduated with a 3rd from UCL , and he hires first class graduates to do his dirty work, yeah, he pays them well, but at the end of the day, who's making the real money?

Same with my neighbour who runs a firm, they pay their engineers well, but his english and his writing skills leave so much to be desired it numbs my brain. At the end of the day, he's living in that 3 million dorrar house which he paid for in cash.

If you talent is in academics, then fine, but no one owes it to you to recognize your skill. Who cares about my CGPA of 3? Nobody does, especially when it comes to academics, coursework has to be the most banal of achievements if it ever was one in the first place, sitting down and doing research for mankind now that's something, making money for yourself, now that's something and so on.

In retrospect, you have acheived nothing for being able to memorize a few reams worth of material. Academia doesn't entitle one the right to sit in an ivory tower, contribution does.

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My neighbour....

28 years old chap, married, 1 child.

Bought a RM400K house, own a EVO7 and a 4 door Civic.
Opposite neighbour....

30 - 35 years old, married, 1 child

Bought a RM400K house, own a 5 Series and a Camry.
They are not English speaking people, do you guys know what are their daily work? You guys will be shock to hear this.
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QUOTE(IMUstaz @ Apr 19 2008, 12:17 AM)
u all phailed. look at yourself now before critic people. how much u earn now? if less than 20k/mth, then u phailed...
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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Apr 19 2008, 12:33 AM)
You forgot YTL.

Regardless of being educated or not, one ought to have the drive to succeed, and the initiative to implement it.
Without these, one would never be successful.

The difference in being street smart is knowing HOW to implement their knowledge.
Book smart people is only competent in theories.
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gone are the days where you monopoly an industry and get rich... maybe you still could if you have political backing but that's not sustainable...

YTL? who is managing YTL now? francis yeoh... u think YTL will let his son manage his company with no education... look at the top 10 riches in msia.. even if he/she dont have any qualification... look at what they want their kids to be?

why not be both street smart and book smart? no knowledge... what's there to apply?
QUOTE(Jaroque @ Apr 19 2008, 12:37 AM)
people getting good grades is for getting scholarships only....dats all...after that your good grades is nothing liao de..... Getting good grades is for scholarships only and scholarships alone. That, is the main definition of good grades. The showing of part is a bonus for a short period only.
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no.. good grades show you are among the top... scholarship is what you deserve... yea.. msians definition of good grades

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My neighbour....

28 years old chap, married, 1 child.

Bought a RM400K house, own a EVO7 and a 4 door Civic.
Opposite neighbour....

30 - 35 years old, married, 1 child

Bought a RM400K house, own a 5 Series and a Camry.
They are not English speaking people, do you guys know what are their daily work? You guys will be shock to hear this.
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if you manage to do that then you have all the bragging rights.. if not... dont brag.. you dont know how hard they work

QUOTE(empire23 @ Apr 19 2008, 12:44 AM)
Not everyone wants to be an academic.

Everyone has their reasons for doing things, and academia isn't the achievement in life, like everything else it's just a ticket. What ever it is an achievement should be practical. Wanna do well? Fine, don't need to defend it like you're defending the last of the species.

Alot here make a valid point. My old man graduated with a 3rd from UCL , and he hires first class graduates to do his dirty work, yeah, he pays them well, but at the end of the day, who's making the real money?

Same with my neighbour who runs a firm, they pay their engineers well, but his english and his writing skills leave so much to be desired it numbs my brain. At the end of the day, he's living in that 3 million dorrar house which he paid for in cash.

If you talent is in academics, then fine, but no one owes it to you to recognize your skill. Who cares about my CGPA of 3? Nobody does, especially when it comes to academics, coursework has to be the most banal of achievements if it ever was one in the first place, sitting down and doing research for mankind now that's something, making money for yourself, now that's something and so on.

In retrospect, you have acheived nothing for being able to memorize a few reams worth of material. Academia doesn't entitle one the right to sit in an ivory tower, contribution does.

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academic grades dont mean much... i agree... but if everyone thinks like that... how is society going to advance? there's the capitalist class and the middle class.. it is a piramid... the capitalist will be usually around top 5% of the population, middle 30-40 and the rest are the lower class... how many from the lower class will be able to make it to the top?

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QUOTE(zeist @ Apr 19 2008, 12:40 AM)
My neighbour....

28 years old chap, married, 1 child.

Bought a RM400K house, own a EVO7 and a 4 door Civic.
Opposite neighbour....

30 - 35 years old, married, 1 child

Bought a RM400K house, own a 5 Series and a Camry.
They are not English speaking people, do you guys know what are their daily work? You guys will be shock to hear this.
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dont make us guess..spill your answer out.
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QUOTE(atrocitines @ Apr 19 2008, 12:57 AM)
dont make us guess..spill your answer out.
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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Apr 19 2008, 12:28 AM)
Your nephew is still an employee. Guess how much he would have earned if he was the boss of THAT company?  wink.gif

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well... there's this old man that operates the 'medan' near monash and sunway... his wife operates the drink stall... and non of his kids are not-educated... 2 elder sons are doctors... 1 daughter is on the way to be a doctor as well... the youngest son was lazy and reluctant to study... the old uncle drove the son away...

now you can talk balls and brag about how not educated you are... but when it comes to you kids, do you want them to end up in the same path? i dont think so...
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QUOTE(SeLrAhC @ Apr 19 2008, 01:03 AM)
well... there's this old man that operates the 'medan' near monash and sunway... his wife operates the drink stall... and non of his kids are not-educated... 2 elder sons are doctors... 1 daughter is on the way to be a doctor as well... the youngest son was lazy and reluctant to study... the old uncle drove the son away...

now you can talk balls and brag about how not educated you are... but when it comes to you kids, do you want them to end up in the same path? i dont think so...
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Their mindset is more suitable for 1st generation .The 2nd ,3rd generations and so on will not ageed to what the 1st generation came down to them.Not everyone with the same interest.

I bet to differ.
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QUOTE(zeist @ Apr 19 2008, 12:40 AM)
My neighbour....

28 years old chap, married, 1 child.

Bought a RM400K house, own a EVO7 and a 4 door Civic.
Opposite neighbour....

30 - 35 years old, married, 1 child

Bought a RM400K house, own a 5 Series and a Camry.
They are not English speaking people, do you guys know what are their daily work? You guys will be shock to hear this.
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QUOTE(SeLrAhC @ Apr 19 2008, 12:54 AM)
start a new acc to post meh... at least put a better nick
gone are the days where you monopoly an industry and get rich... maybe you still could if you have political backing but that's not sustainable...

YTL? who is managing YTL now? francis yeoh... u think YTL will let his son manage his company with no education... look at the top 10 riches in msia.. even if he/she dont have any qualification... look at what they want their kids to be?

why not be both street smart and book smart? no knowledge... what's there to apply?

Definitely. I had emphasised on two skills, book and street smart.

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If you don't have capital and experienced to start a business, where do you want to go ?  sweat.gif
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Thats a lame excuse.

If your nephew can help his boss make money using his expertise, why not make all the money for himself?
Problem is, he will shit bricks if you ask him to take risks. He is in his comfort zone to earn as an employee.

I wouldn't use him as an example. Far from it.
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you are joking.
better result= better chances= better life
prove me wrong. I give u an 'A'
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academic grades dont mean much... i agree... but if everyone thinks like that... how is society going to advance? there's the capitalist class and the middle class.. it is a piramid... the capitalist will be usually around top 5% of the population, middle 30-40 and the rest are the lower class... how many from the lower class will be able to make it to the top?
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Although i study stuff EE as for my degree i do believe in extending my studies to include philosophy, both classical and abit of modern.

Academia isn't the drive you see, it's the accumulation of either wealth or power, like i said before it's just a ticket. Capitalism isn't a social class, it's a form of society. There will always be more realms to excell in rather than just studies.

Men just fill up the prerequisites to gaining wealth and power, society's advance has nothing to do with it, after all, it is already defined as capitalist, meaning that the individual's profit is held at the highest regard. It's not an advancing society but a society which is tricked into advancing by the use of pure greed, not egalatarianism.

Let's be practical here, no point in self advancement unless it brings self benefit. Now that's capitalism.
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Although i study stuff EE as for my degree i do believe in extending my studies to include philosophy, both classical and abit of modern.

Academia isn't the drive you see, it's the accumulation of either wealth or power, like i said before it's just a ticket. Capitalism isn't a social class, it's a form of society. There will always be more realms to excell in rather than just studies.

Men just fill up the prerequisites to gaining wealth and power, society's advance has nothing to do with it, after all, it is already defined as capitalist, meaning that the individual's profit is held at the highest regard. It's not an advancing society but a society which is tricked into advancing by the use of pure greed, not egalatarianism.

Let's be practical here, no point in self advancement unless it brings self benefit. Now that's capitalism.
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Sell char kwai tiau!
Definitely. I had emphasised on two skills, book and street smart.
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ok lor... u go sell char kwai tiau lor... i buy from you and make u rich ^^ notworthy.gif

QUOTE(empire23 @ Apr 19 2008, 01:17 AM)
Although i study stuff EE as for my degree i do believe in extending my studies to include philosophy, both classical and abit of modern.

Academia isn't the drive you see, it's the accumulation of either wealth or power, like i said before it's just a ticket. Capitalism isn't a social class, it's a form of society. There will always be more realms to excell in rather than just studies.

Men just fill up the prerequisites to gaining wealth and power, society's advance has nothing to do with it, after all, it is already defined as capitalist, meaning that the individual's profit is held at the highest regard. It's not an advancing society but a society which is tricked into advancing by the use of pure greed, not egalatarianism.

Let's be practical here, no point in self advancement unless it brings self benefit. Now that's capitalism.
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not every1 thinks that way... at least for those in the developed country... only asians are blinded with greed... if you look at the earlier inventors/physicist/chemist/philosophers... non of them did it for $$$ but to understand the wonders of nature.. and of course to share to others that fooled by religion...

upper or capitalist class consisting of the rich and powerful, an upper middle class consisting of highly educated and well-paid professionals, a lower middle class consisting of semi-professionals, a working class constituted by clerical as well as blue collar employees whose work is highly routinized and a lower class which is according to Gilbert is divided between the working poor and underclass

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_class_...e_United_States
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not every1 thinks that way... at least for those in the developed country... only asians are blinded with greed... if you look at the earlier inventors/physicist/chemist/philosophers... non of them did it for $$$ but to understand the wonders of nature.. and of course to share to others that fooled by religion...

upper or capitalist class consisting of the rich and powerful, an upper middle class consisting of highly educated and well-paid professionals, a lower middle class consisting of semi-professionals, a working class constituted by clerical as well as blue collar employees whose work is highly routinized and a lower class which is according to Gilbert is divided between the working poor and underclass

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_class_...e_United_States
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Hardly. Greed is primal, and inventors like it or not have always found a need to cash in on their own discoveries.

Tesla for example sold alot of his patents and ideas to Westinghouse, to gain funding to put in more research in for his other ideas. There's always somewhere along the line when basic economics steps in, it is the foundation of continental belief as we know it. No scientist can be of the upper class if he or she is penniless, it's simple social theory but it's held well enough, and if you can't make money of a great idea, it has no worth. Greed can be non excessive as well, but it is fundemental, we work because we want more money, to live more comfortable and hedonistic lifestyles.

When one says Capitalist, one talks about the idea of a society. When one directs Capitalist on a person/group, you generally mean a select few that generate capital, and no, academics, no matter how well paid, don't generate capital. Gilbert's ideals on american society have a few holes in it, i like the old staples like Hobbes, Hume and the rest better for now since they've held up better.

And remember as with any society the power in it is still held by the mob. Even i have no illusions about that. A society never really progresses, it just changes to suit the times, if academics goes out of style, men will follow.
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Do you think people with straight A or very good result very proud? Normally Auntie will show off their friend tellin others that their daughther / son get good result. But for me i think there is 2 reasons that can prove you're really studying or just memorising?

Usually secondary school are more into memorising than using common sence, tend they will memorise and put it all into the exam paper. Whereas after college life, they tend to use their brains.. ermm.. But after all study til the end of the day, how many people will ensure they get a good job with a better pay?

Afterall, i think studyin is just a part of ours lives of gaining extra knowledge, but in the end of the day, How many of the Straight A's student will bcome a millionaire or somethin.. for example, bill gates he didnt study and he was naughty during his childhood. but today.. what is him now?

Getting Straight A so WHAT? I think should explain this to those auntie.. whistling.gif
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If these straight A's students cant get far, what makes you think that you can get further than them? Wouldnt getting straight A's be a measure of good qualities as well i.e hardworking, diligent, knows how to aim high. Arent these qualities needed to succeed in life? If you want to succeed, what is stopping you from working hard to achieve good academic results? What is the loss in getting straight A's? Unless you fill up your time finding other ways to improve yourself, then it just shows that you're more lazy compared to them.

It is not only a matter of gaining knowledge. Its to build character.

Btw, I didnt score straight A's. I just feel that these people who didnt score straight A's and whine about those who did are making excuses for themselves. They wouldn't be saying the same thing if they did rolleyes.gif .
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QUOTE(empire23 @ Apr 19 2008, 01:40 AM)
Hardly. Greed is primal, and inventors like it or not have always found a need to cash in on their own discoveries.

Tesla for example sold alot of his patents and ideas to Westinghouse, to gain funding to put in more research in for his other ideas. There's always somewhere along the line when basic economics steps in, it is the foundation of continental belief as we know it. No scientist can be of the upper class if he or she is penniless, it's simple social theory but it's held well enough, and if you can't make money of a great idea, it has no worth. Greed can be non excessive as well, but it is fundemental, we work because we want more money, to live more comfortable and hedonistic lifestyles.

When one says Capitalist, one talks about the idea of a society. When one directs Capitalist on a person/group, you generally mean a select few that generate capital, and no, academics, no matter how well paid, don't generate capital. Gilbert's ideals on american society have a few holes in it, i like the old staples like Hobbes, Hume and the rest better for now since they've held up better.

And remember as with any society the power in it is still held by the mob. Even i have no illusions about that. A society never really progresses, it just changes to suit the times, if academics goes out of style, men will follow.
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he sold because he needed $$$ not because he wanted it.. a lot of ideas and inventions came out with no $$$ purposes, and that doesnt mean it is worthless. yes, $$$ is a need but it doesnt have to be an obsession.

i didnt direct to a person/group lar... still as a class... and yes.. as long as they generate wealth... but how many % from this class are educated? surely more than the uneducated

by the mob? noo... by a selected few... the elites... if academics goes out of style, so be it.. as long there're sane people around...
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good results = better opportunities.....

means u get to choose wat u wanted instead of being force to choose one particular say subject or course......

good results + luck = oversea opportunities.....

HOWEVER....that doesn't mean they will be more successful than poor result ppl.... for the starting point of career yes...... but 5-10 years down the road is totally different story oledi la.... the poor result guy could end up being the good results guy's manager or head..... no kidding....
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he sold because he needed $$$ not because he wanted it.. a lot of ideas and inventions came out with no $$$ purposes, and that doesnt mean it is worthless. yes, $$$ is a need but it doesnt have to be an obsession.

i didnt direct to a person/group lar... still as a class... and yes.. as long as they generate wealth... but how many % from this class are educated? surely more than the uneducated

by the mob? noo... by a selected few... the elites... if academics goes out of style, so be it.. as long there're sane people around...
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You still money for things, you still need to capitalize on a market, that's why you call it a capitalism. It's either contributive or it isn't, pure creativity and discover is often shadowed by real world problems. I'm sure in your engineering education you're taught that you're primary duty is a solve a problem, often for economic incentive.

I disagree, they don't generate wealth, they're still paid by a rung of people who have guile. A true capitalist isn't one who receives pay, but one who pays himself, demographics are in some way skewed due to the fact that people a majority of top earners have better academic qualifications, but looking at the trend whereby you see in your own source that PhD holders earn less, there is some sort of trend that says, "hey, it's not only a diminishing return, but there's something else taking the place of pure academia"

At the end of the day it's just individuals who has the galls to do things others don't and the ability to sell themselves, not to mention a competence in what they do. An engineer is an engineer for life, he just becomes a better engineer as he goes along, still seeking the pay of others, but add that engineering knowledge with business sense and pratical interpersonal ability and you have a winning combination.

Shockley for example was a fine engineer with 0 business sense and 0 ability to deal with people and look what happened to his ass.
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From trend, it's not the book smarts that make it ... it's the street smarts.
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QUOTE(empire23 @ Apr 19 2008, 08:20 AM)
You still money for things, you still need to capitalize on a market, that's why you call it a capitalism. It's either contributive or it isn't, pure creativity and discover is often shadowed by real world problems. I'm sure in your engineering education you're taught that you're primary duty is a solve a problem, often for economic incentive.

I disagree, they don't generate wealth, they're still paid by a rung of people who have guile. A true capitalist isn't one who receives pay, but one who pays himself, demographics are in some way skewed due to the fact that people a majority of top earners have better academic qualifications, but looking at the trend whereby you see in your own source that PhD holders earn less, there is some sort of trend that says, "hey, it's not only a diminishing return, but there's something else taking the place of pure academia"

At the end of the day it's just individuals who has the galls to do things others don't and the ability to sell themselves, not to mention a competence in what they do.
An engineer is an engineer for life, he just becomes a better engineer as he goes along, still seeking the pay of others, but add that engineering knowledge with business sense and pratical interpersonal ability and you have a winning combination.

Shockley for example was a fine engineer with 0 business sense and 0 ability to deal with people and look what happened to his ass.
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so you are saying that a better result would not provide better income?

what i see is just people ranting about what they have, its like having a nice car. our society works on me being better then you, and most times we live by that mentality. an auntie singing about her son scoring high would just be the case. my son is better then yours.

there is no real assurance that having a good result will have a better income. you will have more opportunities perhaps, but the variables affecting your income and future are aplenty. take for example, im not a high scorer just enough to pass. but due to the harsh reality that i am in a more well to do family i can go to higher classed foreign universities, which in my later days i would have a better cert then someone who scored well and only can afford a place in a cheap university. this would work in other occations too, a top scorer might mis-step a decision in his business dealings and will be in debt.
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QUOTE(zeist @ Apr 19 2008, 12:40 AM)
My neighbour....

28 years old chap, married, 1 child.

Bought a RM400K house, own a EVO7 and a 4 door Civic.
Opposite neighbour....

30 - 35 years old, married, 1 child

Bought a RM400K house, own a 5 Series and a Camry.
They are not English speaking people, do you guys know what are their daily work? You guys will be shock to hear this.
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i not sure what their do ...but mostly they using 'dirty' money ...if they dont have property from their parents..

i from traditional chinese kampung ....nowadays ... at my kampung there ...100 millionaires 99% involving illegal business ...mainly underground 4D which is how they get filthy rich..

they keep sucking those average and poor neighbours moneys ...


imaging there are 1000 peoples ...donating only RM1 to u every day ...how easily u could get rich

ya...one never known a single word could be succeed

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QUOTE(babybolster @ Apr 18 2008, 12:54 AM)
Do you think people with straight A or very good result very proud? Normally Auntie will show off their friend tellin others that their daughther / son get good result. But for me i think there is 2 reasons that can prove you're really studying or just memorising?

Usually secondary school are more into memorising than using common sence, tend they will memorise and put it all into the exam paper. Whereas after college life, they tend to use their brains.. ermm.. But after all study til the end of the day, how many people will ensure they get a good job with a better pay?

Afterall, i think studyin is just a part of ours lives of gaining extra knowledge, but in the end of the day, How many of the Straight A's student will bcome a millionaire or somethin.. for example, bill gates he didnt study and he was naughty during his childhood. but today.. what is him now?

Getting Straight A so WHAT? I think should explain this to those auntie.. whistling.gif
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It's common sense a boss will prefer a straight-pass student/high achiever over a regular achiever.
In the end, you still cannot run away from the old, classic formula.
good results = can choose better jobs = better future
Unless, you didn't apply common sense on which course you choose.
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1) lou pin lo
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Second answer pretty close.

Opposite neighbour runs a fish ball business. He doesn't look like some lala beng.

Everytime when he comes back, can see his 5Series damn kilat... Oww!

Btw, I don't believe in certificate, I believe in hard work, skill + knowledge. Have you guys seen a Diploma fella make a Masters holder STFU? I saw that before at some meeting during my internship. That Masters fella damn cocky and talk only no action, so the other guy straight away debate with him, to see who is the better man.

The Masters fella basically knows shit, lack of knowledge and I wonder he had spent so much money to get Master certificate for what crap. What even worse, English phailed. Not saying English must be damn excellent like a Guru, but if a person can get Masters certificate, English should be better, no? I think he can't even beat my English, mine even not up to par, alot of grammar mistakes sometimes.

Seriously, if you have Masters but with no knowledge + skill, you better not show off too much, you are just trying to embaress yourself infront of everyone.

I've seen many people like, those quiet type, they don't dress well (meaning they don't play branded, wear simple apparel), they don't look handsome, look more like a nerd, don't talk to people, but I tell you all, never ever look down on them. I saw a few 1337 people like that before.
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once masuk college, meet wrong ppl, flunk out. no use oso right?
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zeist - encourging you guys sell meat in the market better. More liquid, even you can buy a BMW 5 series with CASH. WOW

Haha.. Do you know the diamond water. Previously, he was a FISH MONGER in selayang, and what is him now today? Expanded his business til SG, HK.

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post Apr 22 2008, 07:02 PM

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flame on.
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QUOTE(syyang85 @ Apr 22 2008, 07:02 PM)
flame on.
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good result doesnt mean u get better income,
do wat most of others cant do u will earn more.

it doesnt matter wht u hv diploma or degree.

if required skill is there u get the job .
it doesnt matter u hv diploma or degree, required skill needed ,if not u do until what level also no point/
for example,i learn watwatwat subject in degree, but the watwat wat requirement for a job position is for diploma or degree, with higher pay.

companies nwaday dont want hire people to train them,they want the guy already specialized in pariticular area.


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QUOTE(4minutes @ Apr 18 2008, 01:25 AM)
if u can't think ...how come u can study ....both are relevant ..

good result proven u are smart ...
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Study doesnt requires critical thinking... Even a person cant think can score full A`s by memorizing the whole reference book... i came out with this statement because i had a friend who only knows how to memorize, but when it comes to general knowledge for example, he lost from that aspect..

QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Apr 18 2008, 01:26 AM)
Book Smart doesnt means u can survive well in the world.

Street Smart does help
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i wonder how many people would prefer medical doctors/civil engineers/automobile designers with street smarts rather than straight A's...there's no guarantee in getting a good income with straight A's, but for some fields, getting straight A's is probably more of a preferable prerequisite smile.gif
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then snatch thieves are considered as street smart.. know how to make easy living?? sweat.gif
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some ppl wanna get all fail and be a smart alek let them be...

i will continue to be a streetard and work hard on my studies... cya in 10 years time ^^
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"Graduates of Yale University, I apologize if you have endured this type of prologue before, but I want you to do something for me. Please, take a good look around you. Look at the classmate on your left. Look at the classmate on your right. Now, consider this: five years from now, 10 years from now, even 30 thirty years from now, odds are the person on your left is going to be a loser. The person on your right, meanwhile, will also be a loser. And you, in the middle? What can you expect? Loser. Loserhood. Loser Cum Laude.

In fact, as I look out before me today, I don't see a thousand hopes for a bright tomorrow. I don't see a thousand future leaders in a thousand industries. I see a thousand losers. You're upset. That's understandable.

After all, how can I, Lawrence "Larry" Ellison, college dropout, have the audacity to spout such heresy to the graduating class of one of the nation's most prestigious institutions? I'll tell you why. Because I, Lawrence "Larry" Ellison, second richest man on the planet, am a college dropout, and you are not. Because Bill Gates, richest man on the planet-for now anyway-is a college dropout, and you are not. Because Paul Allen, the third richest man on the planet, dropped out of college, and you did not. And for good measure, because Michael Dell, No. 9 on the list and moving up fast, is a college dropout, and you, yet again, are not.

Hmm ... you're very upset. That's understandable. So let me stroke your egos for a moment by pointing out, quite sincerely, that your diplomas were not attained in vain. Most of you, I imagine, have spent four to five years here, and in many ways what you've learned and endured will serve you well in the years ahead. You've established good work habits. You've established a network of people that will help you down the road. And you've established what will be lifelong relationships with the word "therapy." All that of is good. For in truth, you will need that network. You will need those strong work habits.

You will need that therapy. You will need them because you didn't drop out, and so you will never be among the richest people in the world. Oh sure, you may, perhaps, work your way up to #10 or #11, like Steve Ballmer. But then,I don't have to tell you who he really works for, do I?

And for the record, he dropped out of grad school. Bit of a late bloomer.

Finally, I realize that many of you, and hopefully by now most of you,are wondering, "Is there anything I can do? Is there any hope for me at all?" Actually, no. It's too late. You've absorbed too much, think you know too much. You're not 19 anymore. You have a built-in cap, and I'm not referring to the mortarboards on your heads.

Hmm ... you're really very upset. That's understandable.

So perhaps this would be a good time to bring up the silver lining. Not for you, Class of '00. You are a write-off, so I'll let you slink off to your pathetic $200,000-a-year jobs, where your checks will be signed by former classmates who dropped out two years ago.

Instead, I want to give hope to any underclassmen here today. I say to you, and I can't stress this enough:

LEAVE. Pack your things and your ideas and don't come back. Drop out. Start up. For I can tell you that a cap and gown will keep you down just as surely as these security guards dragging me off this stage are keeping me dow..."

(At this point The Oracle CEO was ushered off stage.)
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QUOTE(babybolster @ Apr 20 2008, 02:38 AM)
zeist - encourging you guys sell meat in the market better. More liquid, even you can buy a BMW 5 series with CASH. WOW

Haha.. Do you know the diamond water. Previously, he was a FISH MONGER in selayang, and what is him now today? Expanded his business til SG, HK.

Pui Fok Pui Fok notworthy.gif
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I can see TS is jealous becos his/her fren got straight A
hahahaha
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wah lau you guys still want to talk about this.
I see no point for arguing all these while.

anyone can be smart
but the smart can earn a lot of money is
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QUOTE(who_care367 @ Apr 30 2008, 01:02 AM)
"Graduates of Yale University, I apologize if you have endured this type of prologue before, but I want you to do something for me. Please, take a good look around you. Look at the classmate on your left. Look at the classmate on your right. Now, consider this: five years from now, 10 years from now, even 30 thirty years from now, odds are the person on your left is going to be a loser. The person on your right, meanwhile, will also be a loser. And you, in the middle? What can you expect? Loser. Loserhood. Loser Cum Laude.

In fact, as I look out before me today, I don't see a thousand hopes for a bright tomorrow. I don't see a thousand future leaders in a thousand industries. I see a thousand losers. You're upset. That's understandable.

After all, how can I, Lawrence "Larry" Ellison, college dropout, have the audacity to spout such heresy to the graduating class of one of the nation's most prestigious institutions? I'll tell you why. Because I, Lawrence "Larry" Ellison, second richest man on the planet, am a college dropout, and you are not. Because Bill Gates, richest man on the planet-for now anyway-is a college dropout, and you are not. Because Paul Allen, the third richest man on the planet, dropped out of college, and you did not. And for good measure, because Michael Dell, No. 9 on the list and moving up fast, is a college dropout, and you, yet again, are not.

Hmm ... you're very upset. That's understandable. So let me stroke your egos for a moment by pointing out, quite sincerely, that your diplomas were not attained in vain. Most of you, I imagine, have spent four to five years here, and in many ways what you've learned and endured will serve you well in the years ahead. You've established good work habits. You've established a network of people that will help you down the road. And you've established what will be lifelong relationships with the word "therapy." All that of is good. For in truth, you will need that network. You will need those strong work habits.

You will need that therapy. You will need them because you didn't drop out, and so you will never be among the richest people in the world. Oh sure, you may, perhaps, work your way up to #10 or #11, like Steve Ballmer. But then,I don't have to tell you who he really works for, do I?

And for the record, he dropped out of grad school. Bit of a late bloomer.

Finally, I realize that many of you, and hopefully by now most of you,are wondering, "Is there anything I can do? Is there any hope for me at all?" Actually, no. It's too late. You've absorbed too much, think you know too much. You're not 19 anymore. You have a built-in cap, and I'm not referring to the mortarboards on your heads.

Hmm ... you're really very upset. That's understandable.

So perhaps this would be a good time to bring up the silver lining. Not for you, Class of '00. You are a write-off, so I'll let you slink off to your pathetic $200,000-a-year jobs, where your checks will be signed by former classmates who dropped out two years ago.

Instead, I want to give hope to any underclassmen here today. I say to you, and I can't stress this enough:

LEAVE. Pack your things and your ideas and don't come back. Drop out. Start up. For I can tell you that a cap and gown will keep you down just as surely as these security guards dragging me off this stage are keeping me dow..."

(At this point The Oracle CEO was ushered off stage.)
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very good article... maybe because people like the TS and his followers read this and think they can do the same... but .....

click me:
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QUOTE(SeLrAhC @ Apr 29 2008, 09:18 PM)
some ppl wanna get all fail and be a smart alek let them be...

i will continue to be a streetard and work hard on my studies... cya in 10 years time ^^
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i'll continue to be a kopitard and /b/tard
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kopitard is the 1st step to be a billionaire... uncle lim and quek spend their days at kopitiams when they were young...

yea ler... study too hard useless... cannot get rich...zzz.... better be street smart...

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depend on wat target in ur life,,

"focus on your target, not on your weapon"-DONALD TRUMP

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