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post Apr 19 2008, 01:22 AM

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QUOTE(empire23 @ Apr 19 2008, 01:17 AM)
Although i study stuff EE as for my degree i do believe in extending my studies to include philosophy, both classical and abit of modern.

Academia isn't the drive you see, it's the accumulation of either wealth or power, like i said before it's just a ticket. Capitalism isn't a social class, it's a form of society. There will always be more realms to excell in rather than just studies.

Men just fill up the prerequisites to gaining wealth and power, society's advance has nothing to do with it, after all, it is already defined as capitalist, meaning that the individual's profit is held at the highest regard. It's not an advancing society but a society which is tricked into advancing by the use of pure greed, not egalatarianism.

Let's be practical here, no point in self advancement unless it brings self benefit. Now that's capitalism.
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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Apr 19 2008, 01:13 AM)
Sell char kwai tiau!
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QUOTE(empire23 @ Apr 19 2008, 01:17 AM)
Although i study stuff EE as for my degree i do believe in extending my studies to include philosophy, both classical and abit of modern.

Academia isn't the drive you see, it's the accumulation of either wealth or power, like i said before it's just a ticket. Capitalism isn't a social class, it's a form of society. There will always be more realms to excell in rather than just studies.

Men just fill up the prerequisites to gaining wealth and power, society's advance has nothing to do with it, after all, it is already defined as capitalist, meaning that the individual's profit is held at the highest regard. It's not an advancing society but a society which is tricked into advancing by the use of pure greed, not egalatarianism.

Let's be practical here, no point in self advancement unless it brings self benefit. Now that's capitalism.
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not every1 thinks that way... at least for those in the developed country... only asians are blinded with greed... if you look at the earlier inventors/physicist/chemist/philosophers... non of them did it for $$$ but to understand the wonders of nature.. and of course to share to others that fooled by religion...

upper or capitalist class consisting of the rich and powerful, an upper middle class consisting of highly educated and well-paid professionals, a lower middle class consisting of semi-professionals, a working class constituted by clerical as well as blue collar employees whose work is highly routinized and a lower class which is according to Gilbert is divided between the working poor and underclass

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_class_...e_United_States
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post Apr 19 2008, 01:40 AM

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QUOTE(SeLrAhC @ Apr 19 2008, 01:23 AM)
not every1 thinks that way... at least for those in the developed country... only asians are blinded with greed... if you look at the earlier inventors/physicist/chemist/philosophers... non of them did it for $$$ but to understand the wonders of nature.. and of course to share to others that fooled by religion...

upper or capitalist class consisting of the rich and powerful, an upper middle class consisting of highly educated and well-paid professionals, a lower middle class consisting of semi-professionals, a working class constituted by clerical as well as blue collar employees whose work is highly routinized and a lower class which is according to Gilbert is divided between the working poor and underclass

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_class_...e_United_States
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Hardly. Greed is primal, and inventors like it or not have always found a need to cash in on their own discoveries.

Tesla for example sold alot of his patents and ideas to Westinghouse, to gain funding to put in more research in for his other ideas. There's always somewhere along the line when basic economics steps in, it is the foundation of continental belief as we know it. No scientist can be of the upper class if he or she is penniless, it's simple social theory but it's held well enough, and if you can't make money of a great idea, it has no worth. Greed can be non excessive as well, but it is fundemental, we work because we want more money, to live more comfortable and hedonistic lifestyles.

When one says Capitalist, one talks about the idea of a society. When one directs Capitalist on a person/group, you generally mean a select few that generate capital, and no, academics, no matter how well paid, don't generate capital. Gilbert's ideals on american society have a few holes in it, i like the old staples like Hobbes, Hume and the rest better for now since they've held up better.

And remember as with any society the power in it is still held by the mob. Even i have no illusions about that. A society never really progresses, it just changes to suit the times, if academics goes out of style, men will follow.
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QUOTE(babybolster @ Apr 18 2008, 12:54 AM)
Do you think people with straight A or very good result very proud? Normally Auntie will show off their friend tellin others that their daughther / son get good result. But for me i think there is 2 reasons that can prove you're really studying or just memorising?

Usually secondary school are more into memorising than using common sence, tend they will memorise and put it all into the exam paper. Whereas after college life, they tend to use their brains.. ermm.. But after all study til the end of the day, how many people will ensure they get a good job with a better pay?

Afterall, i think studyin is just a part of ours lives of gaining extra knowledge, but in the end of the day, How many of the Straight A's student will bcome a millionaire or somethin.. for example, bill gates he didnt study and he was naughty during his childhood. but today.. what is him now?

Getting Straight A so WHAT? I think should explain this to those auntie.. whistling.gif
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tl;dr replies.

If these straight A's students cant get far, what makes you think that you can get further than them? Wouldnt getting straight A's be a measure of good qualities as well i.e hardworking, diligent, knows how to aim high. Arent these qualities needed to succeed in life? If you want to succeed, what is stopping you from working hard to achieve good academic results? What is the loss in getting straight A's? Unless you fill up your time finding other ways to improve yourself, then it just shows that you're more lazy compared to them.

It is not only a matter of gaining knowledge. Its to build character.

Btw, I didnt score straight A's. I just feel that these people who didnt score straight A's and whine about those who did are making excuses for themselves. They wouldn't be saying the same thing if they did rolleyes.gif .
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QUOTE(empire23 @ Apr 19 2008, 01:40 AM)
Hardly. Greed is primal, and inventors like it or not have always found a need to cash in on their own discoveries.

Tesla for example sold alot of his patents and ideas to Westinghouse, to gain funding to put in more research in for his other ideas. There's always somewhere along the line when basic economics steps in, it is the foundation of continental belief as we know it. No scientist can be of the upper class if he or she is penniless, it's simple social theory but it's held well enough, and if you can't make money of a great idea, it has no worth. Greed can be non excessive as well, but it is fundemental, we work because we want more money, to live more comfortable and hedonistic lifestyles.

When one says Capitalist, one talks about the idea of a society. When one directs Capitalist on a person/group, you generally mean a select few that generate capital, and no, academics, no matter how well paid, don't generate capital. Gilbert's ideals on american society have a few holes in it, i like the old staples like Hobbes, Hume and the rest better for now since they've held up better.

And remember as with any society the power in it is still held by the mob. Even i have no illusions about that. A society never really progresses, it just changes to suit the times, if academics goes out of style, men will follow.
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he sold because he needed $$$ not because he wanted it.. a lot of ideas and inventions came out with no $$$ purposes, and that doesnt mean it is worthless. yes, $$$ is a need but it doesnt have to be an obsession.

i didnt direct to a person/group lar... still as a class... and yes.. as long as they generate wealth... but how many % from this class are educated? surely more than the uneducated

by the mob? noo... by a selected few... the elites... if academics goes out of style, so be it.. as long there're sane people around...
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good results = better opportunities.....

means u get to choose wat u wanted instead of being force to choose one particular say subject or course......

good results + luck = oversea opportunities.....

HOWEVER....that doesn't mean they will be more successful than poor result ppl.... for the starting point of career yes...... but 5-10 years down the road is totally different story oledi la.... the poor result guy could end up being the good results guy's manager or head..... no kidding....
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QUOTE(SeLrAhC @ Apr 19 2008, 02:09 AM)
he sold because he needed $$$ not because he wanted it.. a lot of ideas and inventions came out with no $$$ purposes, and that doesnt mean it is worthless. yes, $$$ is a need but it doesnt have to be an obsession.

i didnt direct to a person/group lar... still as a class... and yes.. as long as they generate wealth... but how many % from this class are educated? surely more than the uneducated

by the mob? noo... by a selected few... the elites... if academics goes out of style, so be it.. as long there're sane people around...
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You still money for things, you still need to capitalize on a market, that's why you call it a capitalism. It's either contributive or it isn't, pure creativity and discover is often shadowed by real world problems. I'm sure in your engineering education you're taught that you're primary duty is a solve a problem, often for economic incentive.

I disagree, they don't generate wealth, they're still paid by a rung of people who have guile. A true capitalist isn't one who receives pay, but one who pays himself, demographics are in some way skewed due to the fact that people a majority of top earners have better academic qualifications, but looking at the trend whereby you see in your own source that PhD holders earn less, there is some sort of trend that says, "hey, it's not only a diminishing return, but there's something else taking the place of pure academia"

At the end of the day it's just individuals who has the galls to do things others don't and the ability to sell themselves, not to mention a competence in what they do. An engineer is an engineer for life, he just becomes a better engineer as he goes along, still seeking the pay of others, but add that engineering knowledge with business sense and pratical interpersonal ability and you have a winning combination.

Shockley for example was a fine engineer with 0 business sense and 0 ability to deal with people and look what happened to his ass.
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From trend, it's not the book smarts that make it ... it's the street smarts.
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QUOTE(empire23 @ Apr 19 2008, 08:20 AM)
You still money for things, you still need to capitalize on a market, that's why you call it a capitalism. It's either contributive or it isn't, pure creativity and discover is often shadowed by real world problems. I'm sure in your engineering education you're taught that you're primary duty is a solve a problem, often for economic incentive.

I disagree, they don't generate wealth, they're still paid by a rung of people who have guile. A true capitalist isn't one who receives pay, but one who pays himself, demographics are in some way skewed due to the fact that people a majority of top earners have better academic qualifications, but looking at the trend whereby you see in your own source that PhD holders earn less, there is some sort of trend that says, "hey, it's not only a diminishing return, but there's something else taking the place of pure academia"

At the end of the day it's just individuals who has the galls to do things others don't and the ability to sell themselves, not to mention a competence in what they do.
An engineer is an engineer for life, he just becomes a better engineer as he goes along, still seeking the pay of others, but add that engineering knowledge with business sense and pratical interpersonal ability and you have a winning combination.

Shockley for example was a fine engineer with 0 business sense and 0 ability to deal with people and look what happened to his ass.
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so you are saying that a better result would not provide better income?

what i see is just people ranting about what they have, its like having a nice car. our society works on me being better then you, and most times we live by that mentality. an auntie singing about her son scoring high would just be the case. my son is better then yours.

there is no real assurance that having a good result will have a better income. you will have more opportunities perhaps, but the variables affecting your income and future are aplenty. take for example, im not a high scorer just enough to pass. but due to the harsh reality that i am in a more well to do family i can go to higher classed foreign universities, which in my later days i would have a better cert then someone who scored well and only can afford a place in a cheap university. this would work in other occations too, a top scorer might mis-step a decision in his business dealings and will be in debt.
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QUOTE(zeist @ Apr 19 2008, 12:40 AM)
My neighbour....

28 years old chap, married, 1 child.

Bought a RM400K house, own a EVO7 and a 4 door Civic.
Opposite neighbour....

30 - 35 years old, married, 1 child

Bought a RM400K house, own a 5 Series and a Camry.
They are not English speaking people, do you guys know what are their daily work? You guys will be shock to hear this.
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i not sure what their do ...but mostly they using 'dirty' money ...if they dont have property from their parents..

i from traditional chinese kampung ....nowadays ... at my kampung there ...100 millionaires 99% involving illegal business ...mainly underground 4D which is how they get filthy rich..

they keep sucking those average and poor neighbours moneys ...


imaging there are 1000 peoples ...donating only RM1 to u every day ...how easily u could get rich

ya...one never known a single word could be succeed

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QUOTE(babybolster @ Apr 18 2008, 12:54 AM)
Do you think people with straight A or very good result very proud? Normally Auntie will show off their friend tellin others that their daughther / son get good result. But for me i think there is 2 reasons that can prove you're really studying or just memorising?

Usually secondary school are more into memorising than using common sence, tend they will memorise and put it all into the exam paper. Whereas after college life, they tend to use their brains.. ermm.. But after all study til the end of the day, how many people will ensure they get a good job with a better pay?

Afterall, i think studyin is just a part of ours lives of gaining extra knowledge, but in the end of the day, How many of the Straight A's student will bcome a millionaire or somethin.. for example, bill gates he didnt study and he was naughty during his childhood. but today.. what is him now?

Getting Straight A so WHAT? I think should explain this to those auntie.. whistling.gif
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Maybe this will be abit contradicting, but....










It's common sense a boss will prefer a straight-pass student/high achiever over a regular achiever.
In the end, you still cannot run away from the old, classic formula.
good results = can choose better jobs = better future
Unless, you didn't apply common sense on which course you choose.
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QUOTE(babybolster @ Apr 19 2008, 12:48 AM)
1) lou pin lo
2) sell meat in market lo.. liqiudty ma.. all cash, dont use credit
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Second answer pretty close.

Opposite neighbour runs a fish ball business. He doesn't look like some lala beng.

Everytime when he comes back, can see his 5Series damn kilat... Oww!

Btw, I don't believe in certificate, I believe in hard work, skill + knowledge. Have you guys seen a Diploma fella make a Masters holder STFU? I saw that before at some meeting during my internship. That Masters fella damn cocky and talk only no action, so the other guy straight away debate with him, to see who is the better man.

The Masters fella basically knows shit, lack of knowledge and I wonder he had spent so much money to get Master certificate for what crap. What even worse, English phailed. Not saying English must be damn excellent like a Guru, but if a person can get Masters certificate, English should be better, no? I think he can't even beat my English, mine even not up to par, alot of grammar mistakes sometimes.

Seriously, if you have Masters but with no knowledge + skill, you better not show off too much, you are just trying to embaress yourself infront of everyone.

I've seen many people like, those quiet type, they don't dress well (meaning they don't play branded, wear simple apparel), they don't look handsome, look more like a nerd, don't talk to people, but I tell you all, never ever look down on them. I saw a few 1337 people like that before.
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if straight As in SPM... then tak payah bragging laaaaa

once masuk college, meet wrong ppl, flunk out. no use oso right?
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zeist - encourging you guys sell meat in the market better. More liquid, even you can buy a BMW 5 series with CASH. WOW

Haha.. Do you know the diamond water. Previously, he was a FISH MONGER in selayang, and what is him now today? Expanded his business til SG, HK.

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QUOTE(syyang85 @ Apr 22 2008, 07:02 PM)
flame on.
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good result doesnt mean u get better income,
do wat most of others cant do u will earn more.

it doesnt matter wht u hv diploma or degree.

if required skill is there u get the job .
it doesnt matter u hv diploma or degree, required skill needed ,if not u do until what level also no point/
for example,i learn watwatwat subject in degree, but the watwat wat requirement for a job position is for diploma or degree, with higher pay.

companies nwaday dont want hire people to train them,they want the guy already specialized in pariticular area.


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QUOTE(4minutes @ Apr 18 2008, 01:25 AM)
if u can't think ...how come u can study ....both are relevant ..

good result proven u are smart ...
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Study doesnt requires critical thinking... Even a person cant think can score full A`s by memorizing the whole reference book... i came out with this statement because i had a friend who only knows how to memorize, but when it comes to general knowledge for example, he lost from that aspect..

QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Apr 18 2008, 01:26 AM)
Book Smart doesnt means u can survive well in the world.

Street Smart does help
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i wonder how many people would prefer medical doctors/civil engineers/automobile designers with street smarts rather than straight A's...there's no guarantee in getting a good income with straight A's, but for some fields, getting straight A's is probably more of a preferable prerequisite smile.gif
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then snatch thieves are considered as street smart.. know how to make easy living?? sweat.gif

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