my opinion is simple.......

they should scrap it, and go back to a single pathway into uni......that is well tested, internationally recognised, and opens opportunities into most countries........ie stpm.......

note that matrik is NOT recognised by almost all foreign universities, as it is never benchmarked, never validated (internal marking), and quality is suspect........and like the intro said......it is considered by most people as an easy pathway for malays to get into ipta.......a typical product of msia's social engineering efforts......more form over substance.....

did you not read the long intro on the 1st page? matrik is only for malays lah....so what you upset about about?

only about 6 years ago, did they decide to open up to 10% of matrik to non malays, supposedly to spur competition as the all malay environment was producing poor results......

observations of those non malays chosen suggest 2nd tier students were selected on a rather random fashion.....few high scorers were chosen......

so non malays chosen are there on sufferance, as pacer horses, if you know what I mean, and you should be thankful they at least allow 10% of places to 'others'....

as for fairness, since when has policies based of the nep been fair?.......this is the real world called msia........

the moe, and ministers involved, as well as some matrik students would like you to believe that the matrik and stpm are of the same difficulty and standards, you don't believe meh?

if you read that in conjunction with the first part, it is not wrong.......in the earlier days, matrik is purely for malays only, and i supposed they do select from amongst the malays based on merit....after jpa and mara had their pick of the best for overseas scholarships.......

however, when you add in non malays into the mixture, of course it is NOT meritocracy, no matter how much they try to say it is.........

see what i mean........?

in any case, since the majority here agrees that the two are NOT the same standard, and stpm is so much harder, does anyone here believe the moe's assertion that entry into ipta from matrik and stpm is based purely on merit?.......

and those of you getting into matrik........you don't feel guilty about this?.......or it's everyone for himself?..who cares about injustice if it doesn't affect me?...

This post has been edited by limeuu: Apr 16 2008, 11:44 PM

anyone wants to hazard a guess why the moe make the stpm so tough?.....

you lost me.........that's the reasons the moe makes the stpm a hell exam?......so that people with no choice can go there to work hard, and cry when their results are recognised by other countries but since they have nowhere to go (which basically means no money), they cannot go to these other countries, and cannot get into ipta because the places are filled by matrik students?.......

admission of non malays into matrik is not based on merit, but a rather random selection from the 2nd liners.....to add some competition to the malays.....so appealing based on good results is not going to work.....

okay, i take it that it is everyone for themselves, and nobody cares about the injustice of the whole system......says a lot about the younger generation......no wonder a survey on students recently that asked if the opportunity for corruption exist, would they take the money.........70% said yes.......

with all due respect, what is so sensitive about these issues?......they are FACTS in the real world.....people like geoffrey are not interested in rwi forums, ventilating to the converted, he has been smacked in the face by certain official policies, and i can understand his angst, while the happy lot here who got places continues to gloat......he has obviously not been realistically explained to about matrik, and hence haboured unrealistic expectations.......only when he is rejected did he realised the truth........that's what happens when we bury our heads in the sand and try not to create 'havoc'......we are deluding ourselves that all is honky dory.....

yes, as answered above, they don't care about the unfairness of the system........it's NOT their problem, they didn't create it........likewise, we did NOT create the problem either, we are merely commenting on it.......so how can it be sensitive by just commenting on a defacto situation?

as much as my intentions here is to clearly state the FACTS as it stands to those unfortunate ones who got the short end of the stick, it is also to make those who benefits from the policy realise there is a problem....but it appears they don't care, as long as they are not negatively affected....which is telling on the caliber and principles of the youths today......youths are always the most idealistic of people, before the hard knocks of real life blunt the idealism......but it appears the tidak apa attitude permeates down all levels........

This post has been edited by limeuu: Apr 18 2008, 08:33 AM

why is it so difficult for people to understand?.........it is official policy.....

UP TO 10% of places can be given to non malays........for an estimated intake of 20k, than means a maximum of 2000 places can be given to chinese and indians....some years it's more like 7-8% only.......

that depends NOT on the scholarship body, but where you are supposed to go to study....if it is local, most ipts will recognise the matrik for entry purpose......

on the other hand, if it is overseas, most unis do NOT recognise matrik, and you will then need to do a recognised pre-u programme, which will vary depending on where.........

For info.........if you want the truth, otherwise just skip.......

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A daughter devastated, a mother with no answers

A Schoolteacher | Apr 17, 08 3:27pm

I am a teacher by profession. I am teaching in a government school. Being a teacher, I am expected to inculcate moral values in my teachings. I have memorised all the sixteen values 'Nilai-nilai Murni' as a result of twenty-five years of teaching - values that transcend curriculum. Day in day out, all the students are exposed to all the values which are expected to cultivate good thinking and moral values among our young citizens. Examples of some of the moral values are being kind-hearted, respecting each other, fairness, honesty, and moderation.
In the recent SPM examination, many of my students did very well, some scoring straight As. We, teachers of all races, felt so very proud seeing the achievements of our students. We had 'Hari Anugerah Cemerlang' in my school. Parents, regardless of race or religion were there to lend support for the programme and at the same time to motivate the children. One such student is my own daughter, who scored 12 As, best student of the school. She used to wake as early as 4 o'clock in the morning to start preparing for her SPM.
When I asked her why she has to take up 12 subjects and 'torture ' herself, she told me, 'I am not a bumiputera like many of my friends.' So the need to take up two extra subjects (not offered in her school) in order to be on par with her Malay friends.
She applied for the Progran Matrikulasi well before SPM itself. Yesterday was the day she was eagerly waiting since obtaining her SPM results because all the applicants will get their reply from the matriculation office. While I was in school, my handphone rang. It was a call from my daughter. When I answered the call she was already sobbing, and I am so silly to think that it was tears of joy.
The sobs turn to cries after she heard my voice - she was devastated, depressed and very disappointed because she failed to get entry into this government-sponsore d programme. She is the eldest in my family. I have another three school going children. May be I am to be blamed because it was me who asked her to study hard, get good results because being an ordinary teacher I can not afford to send her to private colleges.
When I came back after school yesterday afternoon, again I saw tears in her eyes. She asked several questions. 'Is it wrong to get 12 As in SPM? My Malay friends who got 2As and 3 As got to do the matriculation programme, I am denied. What's wrong? You are also a teacher just like uncle, (my Malay college in school) his son was offered a place although he scored only 5As. Why?' I don't have answers.
Being a teacher (I teach History and Moral Education), I teach my students to be loyal to the country, to respect the leaders, to obey the laws of the nation, to promote goodwill and so on. I encourage them to participate in 'Rimup' (a race integration programme among students of various races).
I do not know what to say to my daughter. I feel guilty because what I teach in school is actually rubbish, perhaps I need to tell them the reality being a non-Malay citizen of our beloved nation. For that I need to resign. Please Mr. Prime Minister, may be you have something to tell us.


Morgan.sundram

This post has been edited by limeuu: Apr 22 2008, 09:08 AM

who's talking about politics? it's just a story of someone's life.....

there is no transparency in matrik selection and grading system, and certainly no meritocracy....and yet that is the main pathway into ipta......

and I have said it many times, non malays are chosen at random from 2nd liners, not for the purpose of excelling but as pacers for the malays, who are also mostly 2nd liners(the cream gets jpa,mara overseas scholarships).....so why are people surprised chinese with 7a are chosen?

This post has been edited by limeuu: Apr 22 2008, 11:44 AM

i seriously doubt her mental condition was due to her failure to get into matrik.....i have very severe criticisms of the matrik system, but i draw the line at blaming it for someone's mental illness.....her problems sounds endogenous to me, not a reaction to an exogenous problem.....ie, she basically had a inherent psychological illness.....

as for getting into ipts for free, sorry to burst your bubbles, but there are VERY few ipts scholarships, so the chance is very small, considering the number of multi-grade-a-osis around.......remember ipts exist to MAKE money from you, not give you money......but there are many other ways, if there is a will, many have gone through this experience before, and came out stronger.....but at the price of a loss of innocence, and death of patriotism.....

you are a very confused boy......and if you want to believe that the gov/education system/nep caused her mental problem, fine.....if it makes you feel better.....

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Added on April 22, 2008, 10:14 pmhmmmm....she is not wrong.......

but she is dead wrong according to certain political parties.......

and this dichotomy in opinion is the root cause of almost every problem this country has at the moment......

and of course everybody conveniently forgets about the other half of the country.......in borneo....

This post has been edited by limeuu: Apr 22 2008, 10:15 PM

this is symbolic of how far the propanganda of some political parties have gone, so much that even the REAL bumiputras themselves have doubts about their own status......

you as an iban are the REAL bumiputra of this land, together with the orang asli, and the other indigenous peoples of the borneo states......

it is subject to argument, anthropologically, whether the other recent migrants (ie sections of the 'malay' group, which is an artificially created heterogeneous group, indians, chinese, ceylonese etc) are bumiputras or not.......but we know of course the political definition.....ala entry criteria to uitm......

This post has been edited by limeuu: Apr 24 2008, 05:32 PM