Why Malaysian government didn't want to legalize the game Airsoft? FYI, this game has already been approved in many countries such as USA, Hong Kong, China, Taiwan, Japan and even Indonesia. Airsoft is considered a sports as well.

Discuss.

Airsoft

Introduction of Airsoft.

Shouldn't this be in the Sports Channel? Moving there...

Juz watch a airsoft team from indonesia at youtube.. Fully American Soldier Gear. Must be rich guys (at least rich family), huh?

those gun look so real......what if a robber use those to rob people....

i would legalize paintball gun rather than airsoft

It's sad to see this happen when other country around us legalized airsoft. I know that the purpose of the government didn't want to legalize it due to the realistic of the gun making. We could do it like driving license, take lesson and get license in order to obtain the replica gun.

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Added on April 13, 2008, 6:53 amThanks MayAnne.

This post has been edited by Belphegor: Apr 13 2008, 06:53 AM

the airsoft is totally illegal in our country??or for those who have gun license can have the airsoft legally??i have no idea for tis..

i thought if u own a gun license you can own an airsoft gun as well?

Totally illegal, but still got people playing it. If kena caught then you kantoi la..

No lor.. Real gun and replica gun is different friend.

coz i remember reading somewhere saying that airsoft gun or anyhting that shoots and resembles a gun is considered a firearm and you need a firearm license to own one...

can't rmb where i read this though but it was a long time ago...

i think i heard abt tis b4..tats y i ask tat question..i heard 1 of my fren tat own airsoft said tat himself has gun license n he is legally wid tat airsoft..i will reconfirm abt tis..anyway..i like airsoft aso..but really scare kena tangkap..quite a serious offence..

I watched the video..looks like it'll be difficult to spot a hit..lots of arguments will result out of that. I don't you can count solely on the player's honesty. Why not just play recreational paintball? Real world weapon replicas are also available.

i've read in newspaper that a couple own a big collection of replica airsoft gun and having prob with the police. all their toys were seized.

the problem is. i felt pity for the couple. if you see the picture, it is a huge collection of toys. they must've been spending a lot of money for their collection.

of course you can spot a hit easily .. when you hear a loud "OUCH!" or "OWW!" or whatever .

cuz it looks like a real one...n public can't own a weapon or replica..(seludup bleh kalau berani)..Only people who has license can buy weapon n own in their house..

In the united states, any "toy" guns that are made to look like real guns must have an orange colored tip painted on to mark it as a toy and not a firearm. Perhaps this can be implemented in Malaysian law? And make painting off the orange tip a criminal law to prevent abuse of it?

they dont even bother to pain the tip (if use for robbery)

haha. later on, people carry real gun and paint the tip orange.

actually there's quite a big follower of tis sports in this country. you need to have valid firearms license (loosely called C&U for Licence to Carry and Use of Firearms) to own and carry the gun around.

i know a guy who got connection with these people.... see here: www.qtrmaster.multiply.com

actually, malaysia could legalize this by a law of red marking on these airsoft gun.

i hope to have some collection of this gun.if we are legal to own it

it's not JUST a toy. It can hurt people too. It's a form of weapon that looks too much like a gun. maybe that's the reason.

lol..play paintball je la...

i got few collection airsoft/bb gun/air sport in aeg,springer,aep,gbb,ngbb
pm me if u r interested thanks u

Not possible for it to be legal.. our population will be severely reduced by polis emptying their mags on every "suspicious" fella.

come read here
http://www.bharian.com.my/Current_News/BH/...055547/Article/

the link is screwed...

If u people keep whining about robbing people with airsoft gun, the fact is that it is the secondary weapon for this robber and the primary waepon is motorcycle or car for them to run away. Why don't just this stupid government BANNED this vehicles to stop crimes at all instead to keep this brilliant, healthy and the best recreational games illegal.

Gun looks dangerous ..

Dude..OKay LEts Say IF He does use the airsoft to rob a bank..
what if the guard aint so scared and fights back with his shotgun
the robber MUST be an Idiot Robbing with an airsoft gun..

seriously, if i point an airsoft pistol at u asking u to pee in ur pants, u'd do it...

it must be stupid to rob a bank with an airsoft

sundry shop still ok ler

anyway masoc and few other bodies are in progress to legalize this sport
if u wanna support, come join for a game to feel the excitement ^^

have a look on the rules of airsoft


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFYQwX2EayE&feature=related


This post has been edited by skcs1985: Nov 14 2008, 01:45 PM

masoc is what? truthfully, even paintball license are a pain... if possessing a paintball marker is already an issue, i think it will not go down easy for airsoft...

masoc stands for malaysia airsoft association

here is the link for them
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=12087943060

OOOooo...
but this is the problem...

5. WE HAVE NEVER STATED THAT THE SPORT OF AIRSOFT HAS BEEN OFFICIALLY MADE LEGAL HERE IN MALAYSIA.

6. WE DO NOT AND HAVE NEVER ISSUED ANY LICENSE TO CARRY, USE, OR DISPLAY AIRSOFT GUNS & RIFLES

Under the Firearms Act 1971 and Weapons Act 1960 carries a maximum 14 years’ jail and whipping. The charge of having the items with intention to use them carries a maximum seven years’ jail and whipping. Possession of the fake gun under the Firearms Act carries a sentence of 12 months’ jail or RM1,000 fine

not to throw cold water on the sport coz i'm also a paintball enthuist, but how to play if like this? kena tangkap pulis die lo...

This post has been edited by adam_lss: Nov 14 2008, 02:09 PM

hehe they published on newspaper wut, if got problem, they early early
kena d

so far even bank negara buying airsoft gun for training

as far as i know, they declared to police 2 area as airsoft field d

thats the place we playing nowadays

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we currently looking for members to join our group to train, anyone interested can pm me

a few requirement he must meet:
1. friendly
2. able to spend his time for this sport/hobby
3. able to attend training session when there is one
4. must have good discipline
5. last but not lease, knows how to have fun while playing

This post has been edited by skcs1985: Nov 14 2008, 03:09 PM

it is pain if hit by opponents?

ok it depends how near between each other when fired

if 5-10m, it will leave a blue black bruise
if 10-20m or more, just an ant bite feeling with small red dot

tats becos we wear proper protective gears such as long sleeve shirt, thick long pants, vest, protective eye googles and cap/helmet

This post has been edited by skcs1985: Nov 14 2008, 03:44 PM

yeah, but some still wanna be macho... just put on head gear onli...

owhh..but for sure no paint left on ur shirt right?lol

yup no paint will be left on ur gears
with all gears on, its a very safe sport to play

Where are these airsoft fields?

its in sungai buloh and damansara damai

Owh.. I've only heard about Damansara before.. Hope that one day the sport will finally become legal. BTW, MASOC's currently up to something, aren't they? Or is that just a rumor?..

u can follow up their news in their facebook

they currently participating in a movie by supplying them aegs and other accessories

Alright.. Thanks!

if having airsoft is still illegal... how can we play the game... camne ni...

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Added on December 18, 2008, 1:48 pmMALAYSIA AIRSOFT ASSOCIATION.
For Airsoft and Military Simulation Games Enthusiasts.

UPDATE 3/12/08: Airsoft is now categorized as an extreme sports by the Malaysia Sports Commissioner signed by the Minister himself. As for now we're waiting for the next appointment with KKDN and PDRM to finalize on the rules and regulation. The meeting will take place within the next few weeks.




This post has been edited by sniper187: Dec 18 2008, 01:48 PM

yup its a good start from MASOC

This post has been edited by skcs1985: Dec 19 2008, 07:22 PM

skcs spread ur poison here pls..

This is a little old but I'm new to this forum and have just come across this thread. Firstly, Adam, if u don't mind me asking, did u copy this straight from MASOC or did u add anything into it? I just recently visited MASOC's home page in Facebook and notice they have no such statement there.

Now, just to clarify the law on airsoft. As far as I know, the two statutes you quoted up there do not exist, at least not in this country. However, there are two relevant Acts for those two years mentioned, namely the Firearms (Increased Penalties) Act 1971 and the Arms Act 1960. Of these two, the Firearms (Increased Penalties) Act 1971 is not relevant unless someone uses an airsoft to commit robbery, in which case the offence concerns the use of an "imitation firearm." We would like to think of ourselves as true airsofters who are not dumb enough to pay a bomb for an airsoft just to rob someone and risk getting killed by a trigger happy guard. That is why I say, this Act is nothing to do with us.

As for the Arms Act 1960, Section 36 states that it is an offence to possess or import "imitation arms." What is imitation arms u ask? It is anything that has the appearance of being an arm regardless of its ability to fire. Seems like a very wide definition here if u ask me. So, if the cops want to arrest a six year old for having a pea shooter, they can do so. Question is where do u draw the line? The Arms Act was enacted to prevent mischief; so if airsofters just use airsoft for a safe sport, why should cops arrest them? Why is there double standards? Go figure.....

yup i fully agreed to that, as long we airsofters know how to handle and not show it to public, we are considered safe

one more thing, the airsoft field have been running for more then 2-3 years already, i think our disipline handling airsoft can be say to be at safe level

This post has been edited by skcs1985: Dec 19 2008, 07:27 PM

Are all this call BB guns in HKG version? I cant wait to own 1 if legalized!

what do u mean by HKG version?

Maybe he means Chinese AEGs (Hong Kong).

Or maybe BB gun in American version = Airgun
and BB gun in HKG version = Airsoft?

Im not sure, tats y im asking... I saw the intro video on first page that airsoft gun is using BB bullets and HKG is famous playing War games using BB gun... It's very popular in HKG for many years edi... there's a street is full of this BB gun shop in Mongkok... I attached some pics, price quite cheap... I saw a magnum which used by the actress in Resident Evil selling cheap for RM350!!!









Is this call airsoft??

Yes.

anybody sell TOp Gas for airsoft? Mine running out. Please do PM me

I was wondering, if selling & importing airsoft guns are illegal in Malaysia, what about the accessories/consumables such as the 'gas' mentioned above and stuff like scopes, ammo etc?

Hahahah, my dear fellow, the short answer is Yes, that's airsoft. But please use the correct term and don't confuse airsoft with other systems that use BBs. Airsoft is NOT airgun nor BB gun. Those two can be lethal coz they use or can use led pellets. Just stick to airsoft gun and you'll be ok.

i'm interested airsoft gun too . how to begin my airsoft gun career ? any trainning and minimum requirement ?

Yes, u need to have loads of money coz you'll never be satisfied with just one airsoft, and u must be single, otherwise your spouse will tell u to grow up! and stop buying toy guns and spend more time with your own kids and.... oh, sorry, got carried away there with my own problems....

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Added on December 24, 2008, 5:28 pmThat's a very tricky question. Short anwer would be... depends. The Arms Act 1960 prohibits imitation arms. It also defines "arms" as to include "...component parts of any such weapon." If u ask me, I'd say the legislators in 1960 screwed up by using the word "weapon" instead of just plain "arms." Maybe they didn't want to keep using the word arms and sound so boring... who knows.

I would argue that "weapon" is not a defined word under the Act and so things like the supposedly iron sights (made of plastic/ABS) for an airsoft is NOT a component part of a "weapon" provided that the same iron sights cannot be used on a real weapon. Fake scopes on the other hand is even trickier coz they might argue that it CAN be used on a real weapon and function just as good. But then u can also say that it is not a "component" part of a weapon but merely an "accesory."

In which case, the legislators tried to cover this as well but they didn't have the foresight back in 1960 to see that guns would one day come with rails like RIS, SIR, Weaver Rail, etc and had only one thing in mind at the time, namely the silencer or muzzle flash supressor. And so they also prohibited the "silencer" under the Act but limited it to weapons again, viz "any accessory to those weapons designed or adapted to diminish the noise or flash caused by firing the weapon." Same argument as above should apply here.

Bottom line is, u can argue till the cows come home but it all boils down to which side of the bed the judge got up from on the morning of your trial for contravening the Arms Act.
Hope that helps....NOT!!!!

This post has been edited by grimrip: Dec 24 2008, 05:28 PM

Thanks grimrip for your very entertaining and informative explanation..

Anyway, could any veteran airsofters out there give us newbies a specific breakdown of the estimated costs of taking up this hobby.. I'm guessing it involves:

-an AEG +/-2000
-sidearm +/-1000
-clothes & gear ???
-consumables(BBs, gas etc) ???
-training courses, if any.. ???
-membership fee, if any.. and ???
-the cost of specific events/gatherings. ???

Did I miss anything?..

nobody knows where to get Top Gas? arghh

i think boarders of kelantan got sell this thing aite?

hmm... so long will you guys think it will take the government to clear up the laws?

has anyone started the sports in Malaysia? I would like to join this sport if it is started already. Also, what are the requirements and charges if I want to join this sports?

its already started long ago
if u're ready to feel the pain, den u're ready ^^

hows the pain like?for beginners how to begin?

hehehe.. hows the pain like..hmmmm...that depends on the fpsszzz..
and point blank 400-500 might give u some girls pinching u kind of pain.
that depends on your skin also. for beginners u may wan to try paint ball..
similar impact and adrenaline...

with propoer equipment, it feels like ant bite

if without proper equipments, it would leave bruises or even bleed

for starters, u need to get equip with vest, googles, long pants and sleeve shirt and an AEG at least

where to get vest, googles and AEG in malaysia? estimated cash investment for beginner equipment? By the way, where is this sport being held in Malaysia?Would love to drop by and have a look..

there's many area in msia
sungai buloh itself have 2 already
and damansara have 1

vest and googles u can get in sg wang
AEG uhmm uhmm only certain places can, u need to look

when is the next Airsoft event?I would like to drop by

should be either sat or sunday

Wahh! Brother asciii has been poisoned!! Haha.. Lucky guy.. I'm still saving up..

Whatever this is...replica or however controlled it is...."No to firearms".

You want "sports".....just stick to paintball...enuff said.
What is your purpose buying a replica firearms????....interest?..hobby?...what sort of hobby would that be?...collecting guns?...

If yes, go buy those tiny Tamiya figures and keep it.
if you want to carry gun, enrol to the police or military force....
else,...stop whinning about why this country doesn't allow such lunacy.

else, migrate to Indon, Thai, HK...Japan...US...and you can start owning guns....

btw: firearms license is by the firearms type.....not general license...where you can own a revolver , shotgun or a semi-auto. One license per firearm.
I know because I have one.


This post has been edited by finkl1: Dec 31 2008, 10:48 PM

Why so serious?

Well, some people got gun license can talk biglah. If u own a farm and got problems with wild pigs u can also get a shot gun license wat, it's no big deal. But what u can't do with that shot gun is to aim and fire it at your friends! That is what airsoft is, and what real steel guns can't do. So people who can't tell the difference between the two should not come out with wise cracks and tell others to move out of the country. After all, the last time I checked, this is still a democratic country and the law is decided by the majority, not a dictator.

finkl1 is no fun

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Added on January 2, 2009, 4:44 pmdo they rent aegs at airsoft arenas?

This post has been edited by VincentHooi: Jan 2 2009, 04:44 PM

They do... but the airsoft arenas are not available here.

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Added on January 2, 2009, 6:34 pmWouldn't call myself a "veteran" but I'd say u r about right in the estimates for fairly good airsofts and not just the typical Made in China stuffs that sometimes crumble in your hands. A good China AEG for that matter, would just cost u about 1,300.

Clothes & gear are my specialty and I take pride in my wearable and functional collection. If u r fussy like me, a full set will easily cost u RM1K. Otherwise, u can budget yourself RM500 for a complete set which involves wearing dubious "used" items albeit original military surplus, and fake items like synthetic leather boots and gloves. A good place to start will be Pertama Kompleks which supply our local army and polis gear, among other things. Next, for anything which u can't get cheap, will be Sg Wang shop (third floor I think) called Supercool Hobby, yeah, the one with the dummy outside... and inside. It's pricey but they have almost everything u need, including BBs and gas.

Training courses... hmmm... try this http://www.blackwaterusa.com/company_Profi...tw_current.html

Membership and costs for gatherings?... well, sometimes the organisers will charge u RM30 for a game and throw in some free nasi lemak for lunch hahahah.

This post has been edited by grimrip: Jan 2 2009, 06:34 PM

+1.. Thanks for the feedback, grim..

This post has been edited by ///M: Jan 2 2009, 10:38 PM

stop whinning like a retard....there won't be any airsoft for the next century in Malaysia.

btw...security firms carry those licenses as well...not just hunting wild pigs- farm owners....

frankly, i don't know where in your uncivilized mind said that I was talking big by owning a firearm license.

And your point is....? Oh, sorry, my bad, you're a jaga with a shot gun! ...that explains the attitude...ok, got it!

i support grimrip
finkl1 is no fun at all

Fortunately educating retards ....not my job.....hahahahaha..

Just because our interests differ from yours doesn't make us uncivilized or retarded..

dis fridae... come lets play im usin ak47.... n mp5

Im still looking for full size AEG in malaysia. can help me?

wut u mean by fullsize?

i guess its 1:1 scale issit?

Of course not! No one expects u to educate yourself!

thats right. 1:1 scale.

i know where to get, add me in msn if u wan to know
skcs46@hotmail.com

hello... anyone wld wanna buy airsoft??? pm me... thnx...

hopefully we can find 1, coz sound impossible.
do we REALLY need a license for airsoft :/

In this world have stupid people....
Some will use it ask a real gun to rob others...

Undoubtedly in this world we live in, stupid people will eventually show up.. Fortunately, there should be a system implemented by the authorities where all airsoft guns would have to be registered upon purchase. The airsoft governing body will also be obviously working together with our local boys in blue to make sure that people misusing replica firearms are dealt with strictly and swiftly. They would most certainly cross reference a criminal's weapon with all current registered owners of the same weapon and their close relatives in the immediate area when there is an incident..

Criminals should probably just stick to mugging people the old fashioned way, with knives or other sharp implements which are cheap, effective and easily obtainable as opposed to airsoft guns that are seriously expensive. (I'm only focusing on the expensive ones because the cheap ones aren't realistic, which is the cause of this discussion in the first place; REALISM!!) It doesn't come cheap!! Furthermore, people who can afford to buy them wouldn't be bothered to rob other people in the first place. Even if it does happen, well.. I already covered that..

yea well said ////M

ppl afford to buy those airsoft wouldnt bothered to rob, the more exact and realistic to the real thing cost more den RM2k

Well as most of u guys have seen or heard... there's been a few chap who've been arrested for this airsoft thing... the authorities aren't dumb...

here's a little scenario...

"so i see u guys this saturday... where damansara Damai right...? who do i call...?" someone gives me a number...

i show up, at game day, all awed and drooling... snap a few pics... cool shit man, cool gears...

next thing u know... PDRM... jangan bergerak...!!!

better, u dont get arrested... they just collect a minimal fee once in a while, on and off...

when anything happens... they'll just throw one of u guys at the dogs...


and y'all can kiss the registration goodbye mates... with the recent arrests...

its a good game, best kept among friends and even better played under ground...

lets not make it so public and accessible. none of you want one rotten apple to ruin the whole batch now right...

and uh... "mr i've got a gun license" he's got a damm gun license... dont piss him off... he could just rat all u guys out, hotlink this link to the po lee's.

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Added on January 16, 2009, 12:31 pmn grimrip... u sound very familliar... do i know u...?

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Added on January 16, 2009, 12:33 pmoh hey steven, @ 012 635 2286... i'd give u a call, so that we can meet up to talk bout how to get these AEG's... i've got a budget of around rm 5k... kinda like them kingarms AEG's...

lets meet up...

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Added on January 16, 2009, 12:37 pmhmmm... take's pride in his wearable and functionals... specializes in clothes and gear... black water fan...

teddy bear...? is that you...

This post has been edited by QelDroma: Jan 16 2009, 12:37 PM

ROTFL! It's me if u r my biatch! Why r u scaring the kids here, other than the fact that u had a bad childhood being dressed as a hula girl. Yeah, things look pretty bad at the moment but these guys are not so dumb as to put their faces on the net for everyone to see, am I right? Putting phone numbers up on the other hand... well, if he's making money out of it he should be smart enough to use an untraceable number and besides, isn't that an occupational hazard?

As for me, I'm not even messing with airsoft in this country. If u know me, u will know that all my airsoft experience is from the time I spend in HK sourcing for cheap electronic stuff for my company. FYI even in HK there's strict laws on airsoft but just that it is not as anal as in this country. Yeah, a lot of people think there's no regulation on airsoft in HK but they forget that HK is actually a special administrative region of PRC and so communist mentality still apply to some extent. Parks are out of bounds (dumb rule!) and so u can only play on private property. U can imagine how many large fields/woodlands are there in HK privately owned by airsofters! yeah, none. U get to buy n own loads of stuff but u don't really get to skirmish that often.

It's a major setback not being able to play in Mal but then again it's not really that common in HK either. And hey, I'm not too crazy over the idea of free lodging and food so I quite agree with ...whatshisface..Qeldroid??? that it's not very bright to openly sell this stuff over the net or talk about holding games. But hang on to the thought until things get sorted out by the major players in the game.

This post has been edited by grimrip: Jan 16 2009, 06:21 PM