Need some help.

I'm a direct entry of 2nd year degree student, need to know how to do well in order to get UPPER SECOND CLASS ?
1) Does the grade count from 2nd year Degree ?
2) Does the grade ''very'' important ? How many CGPA should get ?
3) How the college accumulate all the marks n grade ? ( can someone explain HOW )
4) How about the thesis ? stand more chance than the grade to get upper second class ?

APPRECIATE SoOOoo MUCH FOR THE REPLY!!!

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Added on April 10, 2008, 1:30 amMARKS AND CLASSIFICATION
Mark Range Class Equivalent
70 and over First Class Honours
60 - 69 Second Class Honours (upper division)
50 - 59 Second Class Honours (lower division)
40 - 49 Third Class Honours
34 - 39 Pass
0 - 33 Fail
This is what i found! but how they accumulate it till final year ?

This post has been edited by babybarroom: Apr 10 2008, 01:30 AM

varies with the uni. What course are u doing and at which uni?

2nd upper class or 2:1 is a degree classification that is based on ur final CGPA. this varies from university to university, some can go as high as 3.30, some as low as 2.70. but most universities go for the middle ground, around 3.00cgpa.

to answer ur questions:

1) yes. the grade counts for every subject u've taken.
2) ofcourse it is very important. i've mentioned the general cgpa required for a 2:1.
3) CGPA calculation is quite different from university to university. IPTAs (except UiTM) use a standard system that each subject will carry a certain predetermined amount of weight, valued by "credit hours". the formula used is:

(subject A credit hours x grade points) + (subject B credit hours x grade points)
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(total credit hours for all subjects taken)

if u have more subjects, than add all the subjects' pointers together and divide by the total credit hours for all subjects taken. if u dunno how to do this, then do consider dropping out .

4) thesis is still another subject. it is as important as getting an A for other subjects. however, thesis usually carry a substantially heavier credit weightage, so scoring ur thesis may boost ur overall cgpa (or severely pulls it down in case u failed it).

again, this is subject to how ur faculty decides how to run the school.

olympia college partner with NTU ..
this is what i found : WHAT IT MEAN ?
1)The regulations must set out the calculation by which the overall award
and its classifications will be determined. In percentage-based
programmes, a student will be given an overall aggregate mark. This is
derived from the sum of the weighted module aggregate marks for the
modules that comprise the programme.
2)The weighted module aggregate mark for a module should be directly
proportional to the amount of credit attaching to the module.
3)Distinction
70% or above
Commendation
60% - 69%
Pass
40% - 59%
4)The regulations may allow a higher classification to be awarded than
that determined by the overall award calculation.
from http://www.ntu.ac.uk/CASQ/quality_assuranc...ality/13841.pdf

simplified, according to your uni mark and classification, you will need to get at least 60% for every modules / subject, or overally by end of the year to get a 2:1 upper class.

THANKS everybody!!!

Means that if i do well in one sub instead of another one.
Then it will help me to ''pull up'' my marks n still keep on track in getting UPPER SECOND CLASS ?

EX : 1st sub got 71 marks, 20 credit point.
2nd sub got 51 marks, 10 credit point.
STILL SAFE ?

This post has been edited by babybarroom: Apr 10 2008, 01:30 PM

Very intertesing thread... What do you mean by credit hours???
Can i say like this...

First class honour : All the sub you took scored A
2nd class honour : all the sub you took scored B

Besides that, those this kind of honour class really affects your chance of getting a job??? I mean from a big company like microsoft , etc-etc , bla bla..

yes.

but risky/definitely not if 1st sub, 71, 10 credit and 2nd sub, 40, 30 credit.

well, to be safe, score all the subjects that has a heavy/large credit hours. to make ur life easier about the calculations, just score every subject lar . do remember that it is easier to pull down ur marks than to pull up.

1st class: u score AT LEAST A- in all ur subjects
2nd class upper: u score AT LEAST B in all ur subjects
2nd class lower: u score AT LEAST C in all ur subjects

that's the simplest explanation. if u scored anything lower, make sure u score something considerably higher in another subject to counter-act the drop.

yes, degree classifications do have an effect on ur chance of getting a job. if a company is calling for an interview, and only had 5 places, u know u have a slim chance when there are atleast 20 of 1st class holders infront of u, while u're just holding a 2nd class upper.

what i know for NTU, the result is using average of your total marks for all your subject.
If you want to get 2nd upper, your thesis is very important and will indirectly affect your result. I think you need to check with your lecturer, coz there's one time, NTU is using this system;
20% from 2nd year result
70% from 3rd year result
10% from Thesis.
Then from here to determine which honour class you are in.

This post has been edited by liew_jls: Apr 10 2008, 06:17 PM

that brings us to other methods of calculating degree classifications. in universities in the UK, this is determined by each faculty, and does not apply across the board. i'm not sure how wide this method is used in malaysia.

this method gives emphasis on the final year, and sometimes to a particular subject (mainly thesis). it means, u will not carry any marks from ur 1st year. u can score high or barely pass ur subjects in first year, and it will not count towards the calculation of degree classification. then 2nd year results will attribute to 20-30%, and 3rd year 70-80%.

this allows students to familiarize themselves during early university life, especially in skill-dependent courses like art and design, architecture etc. skills need time to develop, so students will have ample time (one year) to prepare themselves. the other advantage is that the school could take students from an even wider range of background. first year will be treated as foundation year, where they will teach all the basics to put everyone on a level playing field.

we proposed this system back in UTM for architecture course, but it was rejected bcoz the university has a canvassing policy over all faculties. but they didnt disagree with it, though. so perhaps the next time the decide to revise the policies, we might be able to introduce this system again.

question here.. apa tu thesis???

Thesis is the final year project/disseratation of your choice lah..it's mostly something that strongly influence the honours you will get due to the weighting of credits given upon it..

Thanks AZARIMY, YOUNGKIES , LIEW_JLS ... ....
This is the latest classification ?
thesis only 10% ?
then NTU emphasize more in exam marks !

1) As your information, our degree is AWARDED by NTU. Our transcript stated OLYMPIA COLLEGE only.
Does this showed that our college follow this classification? not that 'wangi' / impress the organisation as only awarded by NTU ?
2) May i ask credit point = credit hour ?
3) Always aim and do well in subject which has HIGHER credit point / credit hour ?
4) <Learning and teaching methods>
Total Contact Hours : 36 / 24 ( Which has heavier credit point , y my module both also stated 10 credit points only ? )
Total Study Hours : 100 / 100

P/S : i'm really appreciate your reply as my college always give different information.

This post has been edited by babybarroom: Apr 10 2008, 09:48 PM

to be honest, I not quite sure the thesis part, it's either 10% thesis + 70% 3rd year or 20%thesis + 60% 3rd year result.
well, don't forget most of your subject have coursework, so i assume, it's not all exam based.

Correct me if i'm wrong.. If your transcript state NTU, all your teaching material and systems need to directly from NTU. only that your transcript can state NTU (i think this called twining course). Otherwise your transcript will only state with OLYMPIA College.
well, it's depends on the employer, not necessary your transcript hv to write NTU. but i think if your transcript say that award by NTU, means your course is meet with their requirement ..

erm... i think you need to check your leader course. coz some college do provide different offer. so u need to make it clear asap.

I think NTU run the course in a bit different, they don't use normal credit points like others college, they use study hours and credit point ( i assume it's call as credit point). If your pass the subject you will get your 20 credit point (no matter you what is your result, as long you pass your subject), so in order to get your honour class, you need to get 120 credit point (if total credit point is 120).

BINGO ! my assessment in year 2 Exam:0 % Coursework: 100%
Counted in the 20% ?
Nono.. transcript only state OLYMPIA COLLEGE (poor) but we r awarded by them. so our syllabus same. they r our 2nd marker in accessment. we only fit their teaching material, system n requirement.
leader course she always giv wrong info o say come back to me. kesian*
Yes, total for the 2nd year credit points is 120 for all the sub. Sm only coursework sm part of exam + coursework. My leader course said count by A B C 's CGPA wo... ( i dun trust her) Means no count the grade come frm only coursework? only count exam+coursework's grade in the 20% ?

first of all, i think u need to share with us exactly what information ur college gave u.

as for ur questions:

2) i'm not sure. i dont use the term credit points. it might be the same, but i'm not sure.

3) depends on how many large credit subjects u have compared to the lesser ones. look at ALL ur subjects. pile them into two groups: i. the large credits, and ii. the small credits. the total up all the credit values of the subjects in each group. look at which has the larger sum. if the large credits are more, the u should be scoring those subjects. if the lesser are more, then that's the one u should go after.

but above all that, u should be trying to score atleast 75% of ur subjects.

THANKS AGAIN .... AGAIN !!
I'm taking degree in International Business in OLYMPIA COLLEGE awarded by NTU.
We r awarded by NTU, in the end of the degree, we will get the cert stating i was awarded degree.Another cert is from olympia itself. transcript only state OLYMPIA COLLEGE.( ppl said college not willing to pay more)
Our syllabus same with NTU. they r our 2nd marker in accessment. we only fit their teaching material, system n requirement.

YEAR 2 Modules & Credit points
a) Accounting and finance for international managers 20
b) Mandarin Language 20
c) Exploring research in international business 10
d) Inter cultural effectiveness 20
e) The International business environment 20
f) Competitive strategy and innovation (option) 30

I din do well in (C) . only 51% = C. , (d) 71% =A
Both sub come with 100% coursework.
What i worry is it count in the 2nd year=20%. since it's low marks.
marks given from credit points earned ( pass) o base on A B C's CGPA ?

This post has been edited by babybarroom: Apr 11 2008, 01:17 AM

ok.. then probably they have change the system or what, that i don't know.. but i think probably others Lyn member can explain to you about the award thing...

lol.. for the course leader, then good luck, sometimes we do get suck course leader.. you do hv a way, u ask the course leader, she say don't know then ask her boss.. if her boss say don't know, then ask back them.. "what? if you all don't know, then how am i going to know actual infor??" or email NTU's stuff.. i'm sure they willing to explain to you since you say your system and requirement is same with NTU. coz my friend study in NTU, i didn't hear her result is count by CGPA, she doesn't even know what is CGPA.. lol... what ashame right?? haha.. anyway i think her result is using average marks of all subjects, then based on the average marks, will determine the honor class... Which mean, no matter your subject is 100% coursework or 50-50%, you will still get the marks for your average marks.

i always ask her this n that , but i can see doubt on her face.
I wish to approach the principal. but if she knew that, she'll be unhappy n giv me low marks in my sub she teach !!! hahaha...
didn't hear result count by CGPA ? i need to check more in order to play safe !

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Added on April 15, 2008, 1:19 amany other information ?

This post has been edited by babybarroom: Apr 15 2008, 01:19 AM

u may ask NTU o other forumer

oh .ya .
everybody pls giv some opinion!

well, if you have finish ur exam for your 2nd year, and there's nothing you can do now. The only thing u can do is, concentrate your final year project and 3rd year exam. study hard and finish all your assignment.

since you said you afraid to ask your principal, then email NTU. Ask them about the details and your enquiry. I'm sure they will reply your email.

Anyway, i still hv 4 subjects to study in 2nd year
I'm too early to worry all bout this thing ?!
alrite, i will strive ~!!!

want to ask whether 3rd class degree can find jobs or work not ? allright, here is my situation...Let's say i failed during my final sem....Giving options of either repeating the whole subjects or just graduate, attend convo with 3rd class...THe problem here is i already work, kinda no mood go back to study and attend class all over again...The company that hired me now is the company that i did my internships....

So, want to ask is Degree with (honours) important ??? In term of job hopping, switching job next time and promotion ?