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post Apr 8 2008, 12:50 PM


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I'm a student and thinking which car to buy... And only use it to drive to university only......

Want ask which 1 is more worth in money? After go showroom and have a see on both car, These will be my choices...
a) Proton Saga B-Line Manual - RM34,998
b) Proton Saga LMST - RM26,999

The seller say both car saves oil, and then he say all things inside almost same except engine....
He says that LMST engine is good but he says BLM engine is still new and he is not sore about it....

So, want ask all sifu here which 1 I should choose???
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post Apr 8 2008, 01:15 PM


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IMO, the SAGA is a newer car and should be considered. Unless budget is an issue, then go for the LMST
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Id say saga blm since i haven heard any official major complain about its quality.

My friend gotten himself a lmst and i can c him complaining about every single thing..jajaja
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definitely the new saga. newer tech and rigid frame compare to the saga lmst.
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buy new saga.. sure nice
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agree.
the design is quite garang imho.
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new saga, lmst got many prob, old stuff...


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unless u urgently need a car, get LMST.

else, get the BLM smile.gif
resale value also a lot better
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new saga...... even budget constraint..
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If you wanna a new technology car, go for Saga BLM. Now already 2008, still wan use carberetor meh? Go for EFI lor.. New Saga BLM throttle respond very slow compare with the LMST. Expecially the Auto Tranny. About chasis, you wanna trust a new chasis or a 1980 technology chasis? As I know, the new Saga BLM got crumple zone... Very comfortable when you sitting inside and good for those who use it as city car. If for boy and youngster, dun think it suitable due for the power..

I'm a LMST user.. I dun face any MAJOR problem since I get my car since now. The problem which annoying is the power window switch. Changed 12 switchs already.. But luckily it all can claimed from proton.
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QUOTE(ChinJB7623 @ Apr 8 2008, 12:50 PM)
I'm a student and thinking which car to buy... And only use it to drive to university only......

Want ask which 1 is more worth in money? After go showroom and have a see on both car, These will be my choices...
a) Proton Saga B-Line Manual - RM34,998
b) Proton Saga LMST - RM26,999

The seller say both car saves oil, and then he say all things inside almost same except engine....
He says that LMST engine is good but he says BLM engine is still new and he is not sore about it....

So, want ask all sifu here which 1 I should choose???
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dont get both... get a second hand ae101...
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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Apr 8 2008, 03:29 PM)
dont get both... get a second hand ae101...
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post Apr 8 2008, 03:52 PM


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U go test drive both and u surely choose the BLM
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post Apr 8 2008, 03:56 PM


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seriously...
if budget is not a prob...
BLM saga is worth the investment
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post Apr 8 2008, 04:34 PM


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i would prefer a satria neo compare to BLM.... doh.gif
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post Apr 8 2008, 04:39 PM


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if maintenance is not an issue for u u can buy BLM.
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post Apr 8 2008, 04:40 PM


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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Apr 8 2008, 04:34 PM)
i would prefer a satria neo compare to BLM.... doh.gif
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Don't go off topic.

If Satria Neo selling at Rm35k. else consider spamming
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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Apr 8 2008, 04:34 PM)
i would prefer a satria neo compare to BLM.... doh.gif
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errr price diff? whistling.gif
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QUOTE(Ultima @ Apr 8 2008, 04:40 PM)
errr price diff? whistling.gif
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abt RM10k
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post Apr 8 2008, 04:58 PM


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lmst is 20 year ago eh car liao wor....
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get BLM, new tech, better resale value, nicer..
nway, as a fellow student also, i use kelisa only, cheaper, easy to maneuver, save petrol...coz in my opinion, u r only student, get 2d hand car (not so old one, 3-5 years e.g kelisa) can save money, the extra money u simpan can use when u graduated to buy a better/bigger car summore... smile.gif
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post Apr 8 2008, 05:25 PM


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budget or no budget, better go 4 BLM... LMST is a 20yrs old car liao la.. technology i mean..
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post Apr 8 2008, 06:00 PM


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No brainer bro.. pick the new Saga.
Better performance, better value for money. Although u can save more with the LMST, in the long run the new Saga is a much better choice.
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post Apr 8 2008, 07:21 PM


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i suggest u to pick saga~~ bt if u nid car urgently, lmst is ur choice..but carbie car easier to repair, rite?hehe
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post Apr 8 2008, 07:32 PM


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Get LMST if you want cheap maintenance car and easy to modified... else, take New Saga. icon_rolleyes.gif
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take the new saga if you can affort... how many years you plan to drive it anyway??
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lmst out of stock d~~~i got few booking from customer....can't get the stock now.... cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif
juz go for blm lah!!!! for ur info....some of the dealer got ready stock....
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QUOTE(allenultra @ Apr 8 2008, 04:40 PM)
Don't go off topic.

If Satria Neo selling at Rm35k. else consider spamming
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dont forget secound hand whistling.gif

QUOTE(Edi8888 @ Apr 8 2008, 04:58 PM)
lmst is 20 year ago eh car liao wor....
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LMST engine is 20 year back tech, not the car it self happy.gif
inside all change. icon_rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(ben_ang @ Apr 8 2008, 05:25 PM)
budget or no budget, better go 4 BLM... LMST is a 20yrs old car liao la.. technology i mean..
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rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif go for BLM if you want comfort icon_idea.gif
for me BLM is very comfort thumbup.gif
for me LMST is more on MOD and better power then campro whistling.gif
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new saga la for good performance
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and for the awesome looks too
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get new proton, make up sket2.. dont ah beng makeup maaaa
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QUOTE(Ultima @ Apr 8 2008, 01:36 PM)
new saga, lmst got many prob, old stuff...
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Wat problem? Can give some examples???

QUOTE(singchaii @ Apr 8 2008, 01:58 PM)
If you wanna a new technology car, go for Saga BLM. Now already 2008, still wan use carberetor meh? Go for EFI lor.. New Saga BLM throttle respond very slow compare with the LMST. Expecially the Auto Tranny. About chasis, you wanna trust a new chasis or a 1980 technology chasis? As I know, the new Saga BLM got crumple zone... Very comfortable when you sitting inside and good for those who use it as city car. If for boy and youngster, dun think it suitable due for the power..

I'm a LMST user.. I dun face any MAJOR problem since I get my car since now. The problem which annoying is the power window switch. Changed 12 switchs already.. But luckily it all can claimed from proton.
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Erm, what is the difference between carberetor and EFI?

QUOTE(ben_ang @ Apr 8 2008, 05:25 PM)
budget or no budget, better go 4 BLM... LMST is a 20yrs old car liao la.. technology i mean..
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What kind of technologies use in BLM?, can let me know???

QUOTE(sphiroth @ Apr 8 2008, 07:32 PM)
Get LMST if you want cheap maintenance car and easy to modified... else, take New Saga. icon_rolleyes.gif
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Erm, LMST is easy to maintenance? mean BLM is hard to maintenance and need many money to repair/ maintain it???

QUOTE(jlce10 @ Apr 8 2008, 07:46 PM)
take the new saga if you can affort... how many years you plan to drive it anyway??
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At least 5 years... Caused study engineering courses and need 5 years to complete it......

QUOTE(andychan @ Apr 8 2008, 08:34 PM)
LMST engine is 20 year back tech, not the car it self happy.gif
inside all change.  icon_rolleyes.gif
rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  go for BLM if you want comfort  icon_idea.gif
for me BLM is very comfort  thumbup.gif
for me LMST is more on MOD and better power then campro  whistling.gif
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U mean the engine is same like the saga 20 years ago? But the body (interior and exterior) is totally different and it is new???
For me, confort this stuff ah, only i drive, how to say confort? Sit in front can have lots of space mah, if want carry ppl, mean they will sit at rear, and maybe rear there got a little bit uncomfort lo, right? Since there is sempit abit.....

Note: I'm noob about car and want know more before buying a car so I ask so many question, hope all sifu's here can give me a good opinion/answer......


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LMST - if u are a lazy person

BLM - new model new car

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LMST - carbie engine
- no need much maintenance... pour petrol and jalan
- the saga i have at home is at 120k milage now... service interval is as follows 1k, 5k, 10k, 40k, 80k, 120k
- no problem at all... no power window, no electronics.. just the usual wear and tear stuffs....

and its still running fine until now....

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QUOTE(kcng @ Apr 9 2008, 12:19 PM)
LMST - if u are a lazy person

BLM - new model new car

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LMST - carbie engine
- no need much maintenance... pour petrol and jalan
- the saga i have at home is at 120k milage now... service interval is as follows 1k, 5k, 10k, 40k, 80k, 120k
- no problem at all... no power window, no electronics.. just the usual wear and tear stuffs....

and its still running fine until now....
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I thought the LMST got 2 power window at front?sweat.gif And what u mean by no electronics???
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Dont buy Saga

Dont buy LMST

Buy MYVI.... smile.gif
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electronic distributor maybe? nowadays all cars have that one lar...only really old cars using contact points...

and btw who said lmst got many probs? i have one too and had no problems at all...
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QUOTE(ChinJB7623 @ Apr 9 2008, 12:17 PM)
Erm, what is the difference between carberetor and EFI?

What kind of technologies use in BLM?, can let me know???

Erm, LMST is easy to maintenance? mean BLM is hard to maintenance and need many money to repair/ maintain it???

U mean the engine is same like the saga 20 years ago? But the body (interior and exterior) is totally different and it is new???
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carburetor engine: no electronics or computer to deal with... no faulty sensors... fuel and air is mixed together by carburetor at a pre-defined ratio... overall vr simple basic engineering... tuning can be done with screwdrives and so on....

efi engine: engine is controlled by car computer (ecu) through inputs from sensors all around the engine... abit more complicated than carburetor in terms of tuning... better fuel efficiency compare to carburetor...

LMST is easy maintainence... as i said, any workshop can service/repair the car for u... its the same engine/chassis/design with the old 1990s proton saga.... BLM, not to say hard to maintain... but tuneability is limited due to the needs of computer and tuning programs.... and i'm not sure if campro engine ecu can reflash its memory or not....

QUOTE(myvi5949 @ Apr 9 2008, 01:56 PM)
Dont buy Saga

Dont buy LMST

Buy MYVI.... smile.gif
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QUOTE(myvi5949 @ Apr 8 2008, 06:00 PM)
No brainer bro.. pick the new Saga. 
Better performance, better value for money.  Although u can save more with the LMST, in the long run the new Saga is a much better choice.
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I believe LMST have better performance in term of engine more power. While the BLM saga, seriously the engine respond really so poor. sweat.gif sweat.gif I see many LMST owner here debating get LMST is better. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

I think go for BLM is better... Because of their mentioned, newer technology engine. LMST engine not having problem. The most problem of LMST is running carburetor only. If you have nothing with carburetor, then you can take LMST. Because carburetor car is much easier to maintaince. If you scare people laugh at you because still buying a 20 years old technology engine, then go for BLM.. I'm owner of LMST, I frankly said that I have no problem with my LMST.. The thing I very dissapointed is, I cannot install RSM on it. sad.gif
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QUOTE(ChinJB7623 @ Apr 9 2008, 12:55 PM)
I thought the LMST got 2 power window at front?sweat.gif And what u mean by no electronics???
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its the iswara aeroback
but iswara aeroback / LMST.. same same la
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and that aeroback no power window... just a cassette player
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QUOTE(singchaii @ Apr 9 2008, 03:00 PM)
I believe LMST have better performance in term of engine more power. While the BLM saga, seriously the engine respond really so poor.  sweat.gif  sweat.gif I see many LMST owner here debating get LMST is better.  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif

I think go for BLM is better... Because of their mentioned, newer technology engine. LMST engine not having problem. The most problem of LMST is running carburetor only. If you have nothing with carburetor, then you can take LMST. Because carburetor car is much easier to maintaince. If you scare people laugh at you because still buying a 20 years old technology engine, then go for BLM.. I'm owner of LMST, I frankly said that I have no problem with my LMST.. The thing I very dissapointed is, I cannot install RSM on it.  sad.gif
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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Apr 9 2008, 03:03 PM)
old is gold...  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(singchaii @ Apr 9 2008, 03:00 PM)
I believe LMST have better performance in term of engine more power. While the BLM saga, seriously the engine respond really so poor.  sweat.gif  sweat.gif I see many LMST owner here debating get LMST is better.  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif

I think go for BLM is better... Because of their mentioned, newer technology engine. LMST engine not having problem. The most problem of LMST is running carburetor only. If you have nothing with carburetor, then you can take LMST. Because carburetor car is much easier to maintaince. If you scare people laugh at you because still buying a 20 years old technology engine, then go for BLM.. I'm owner of LMST, I frankly said that I have no problem with my LMST.. The thing I very dissapointed is, I cannot install RSM on it.  sad.gif
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About old anot, i will no consider it since i'm noob in car and wat i think is got car to drive is ok already le......
LMST still using 20 years ago de engine only, mean easier to maintain or repair right compare to BLM.....
And for engine it is not a problem to me now but how about both chasis? Is BLM stronger or anythings else???
Anyway, wat is RSM???
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QUOTE(ChinJB7623 @ Apr 10 2008, 12:11 PM)
About old anot, i will no consider it since i'm noob in car and wat i think is got car to drive is ok already le......
LMST still using 20 years ago de engine only, mean easier to maintain or repair right compare to BLM.....
And for engine it is not a problem to me now but how about both chasis? Is BLM stronger or anythings else???
Anyway, wat is RSM???
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LMST more cheap to maintaince. And, it cheaper for replacement spare part because it cheap. As some member said, carburetor car is easy. Pump petrol, then can drive liao. Not much thing it will happen.

About chasis, blm got crumple zone. Crumple zone mean the zone will absorb most of the impact and the strong impact won't go into the cabin. Mean the passenger highly chance get safe. You cannot compare with chasis is stronger because the 'crumple zone' is most important. Just imagine you sit inside a car which chasis very hard and once you knock on other car, the passenger inside will get the impact and the impact can kill the passenger or driver. If the car got good crumple zone, once accident then the zone will absorb the impact. Therefore, people inside cabin is will more safe.

RSM = Rev and Speed Meter. Only EFI car can install this.
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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Apr 9 2008, 03:03 PM)
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Thats is what my father say after discussing with him...... He say LMST easy to maintain like his sunny that he's driving now...... He also says that BLM looks like very spacious but actually it is not after he go for a test drive...... And he also says that he scare of BLM new engine, while LMST's engine is 20 years ago and should be trustable......
So, decided to buy LMST le......
Any sifu's here want give some last opinion before i go and booked 1 LMST at sunday??? blush.gif
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Of course BLM la , im BLM user wor, nway seriously BLM can consider very comfortable car. The LMSt only SOHC and BLM DOHC. The LMST got 75 bhp(Horsepower) while the BLM got 94bhp(horsepower), meanwhile torque(pickup) for LMST 109Nm and BLM 120Nm, for the performance i think blm is better due to the DOHC. Both 1.3 L but power output different, the BLM is closer to the 1.5.
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QUOTE(singchaii @ Apr 10 2008, 12:30 PM)
LMST more cheap to maintaince. And, it cheaper for replacement spare part because it cheap. As some member said, carburetor car is easy. Pump petrol, then can drive liao. Not much thing it will happen.

About chasis, blm got crumple zone. Crumple zone mean the zone will absorb most of the impact and the strong impact won't go into the cabin. Mean the passenger highly chance get safe. You cannot compare with chasis is stronger because the 'crumple zone' is most important. Just imagine you sit inside a car which chasis very hard and once you knock on other car, the passenger inside will get the impact and the impact can kill the passenger or driver. If the car got good crumple zone, once accident then the zone will absorb the impact. Therefore, people inside cabin is will more safe.

RSM = Rev and Speed Meter. Only EFI car can install this.
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u try to bang objects head on and u will notice ur front bonnet crumple easily
if other bang your sides and rear side, the damage wont be too powerful

QUOTE(ChinJB7623 @ Apr 11 2008, 10:47 AM)
Thats is what my father say after discussing with him...... He say LMST easy to maintain like his sunny that he's driving now...... He also says that BLM looks like very spacious but actually it is not after he go for a test drive...... And he also says that he scare of BLM new engine, while LMST's engine is 20 years ago and should be trustable......
So, decided to buy LMST le......
Any sifu's here want give some last opinion before i go and booked 1 LMST at sunday??? blush.gif
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since it is decided already, go ahead lor..
btw, my friend juz got himself a saga lmss the 27k 1..
the rear seat is so damn soft as if it is spongy.. car less than 1 week and empty but got rattling sound from rear when going above 100km/h or uneven road
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QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ Apr 18 2008, 11:55 PM)
i think all car got crumple zone ler..
u try to bang objects head on and u will notice ur front bonnet crumple easily
if other bang your sides and rear side, the damage wont be too powerful
since it is decided already, go ahead lor..
btw, my friend juz got himself a saga lmss the 27k 1..
the rear seat is so damn soft as if it is spongy.. car less than 1 week and empty but got rattling sound from rear when going above 100km/h or uneven road
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Blm Also got sound la, i think all proton car also got sound doh.gif
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QUOTE(-storm- @ Apr 18 2008, 11:56 PM)
Blm Also got sound la, i think all proton car also got sound  doh.gif
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try sitting other people car.. the people i mean is those who very sayang their car smile.gif
dont juz make conclusion based on personal experience only
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QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ Apr 19 2008, 12:08 AM)
i would seriously beg to differ smile.gif
try sitting other people car.. the people i mean is those who very sayang their car smile.gif
dont juz make conclusion based on personal experience only
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Not my experience only drop by BLM thread you read back im not alone.

Nway i got 2 proton cars in my house, the savy and my blm both visited the sc quite frequent claiming warranty always have to take leave and stuff.

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Even though everything sounds attractive coming from BLM but u have to remember that it cost an extra RM10k to get a BLM compared to LMST (unless u wan to get the N-Line version which is an empty shell). I personally use a LMST merdeka promo batch (RM27k) but this car by far din give me any major problem (except for power window switches) as i have used it for almost a year. LMST is old school technology - out-dated but realiable.

The problems for BLM maybe haven crop up..

That is my opinion..

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QUOTE(zhixin @ Apr 19 2008, 12:25 AM)
Even though everything sounds attractive coming from BLM but u have to remember that it cost an extra RM10k to get a BLM compared to LMST (unless u wan to get the N-Line version which is an empty shell). I personally use a LMST merdeka promo batch (RM27k) but this car by far din give me any major problem (except for power window switches) as i have used it for almost a year. LMST is old school technology - out-dated but realiable.

The problems for BLM maybe haven crop up..

That is my opinion..
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QUOTE(-storm- @ Apr 19 2008, 12:30 AM)
Actually proton already identified all the problems already, i frequent the sc quite often so quite close with them, they say when go training at proton there they are brief of the 45 identified problems in the BLM they even got a book on it for references. 45 possible problems in the BLM, imagine that  sweat.gif
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oh, in that case these problems just haven reach the public yet..

just to add, LMST can be considered to have Mitsu technology due to the past (except for interior la bcoz the overhaul the interior when they turned iswara to LMST). The engine is Jap technology..

BLM is more like a post Mitsu era car, like Savvy, Gen 2 and ....

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QUOTE(zhixin @ Apr 19 2008, 12:34 AM)
oh, in that case these problems just haven reach the public yet..

just to add, LMST can be considered to have Mitsu technology due to the past (except for interior la bcoz the overhaul the interior when they turned iswara to LMST). The engine is Jap technology..

BLM is more like a post Mitsu era car, like Savvy, Gen 2 and ....
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BLM still got mitsu DNA for the auto version,gearbox is from mitsubishi tongue.gif
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QUOTE(-storm- @ Apr 19 2008, 12:37 AM)
BLM still got mitsu DNA for the auto version,gearbox is from mitsubishi  tongue.gif
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i have an experience when i send my car to SC to change power window switch.

i saw this BLM that have its door alignment a bit out. When the door is slammed shut it is back in place bcoz the lock holds it up but when the door is opened, the position of the door drops down a bit.. the mechanic there was trying in vain to rectify this problem.. tighten here tighten there..

at the end, the supervisor say this problem have to go Proton main workshop or something in Glenmarie to rectify as it may require the whole door to be removed bcoz the problem may arise from the hinges..

this is the driver's side door..

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Don't get the cheapest Saga BLM.. Not worth.. What also dun have.. Even front bumper and rear bumper not being spray. >_< So ugly...
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QUOTE(singchaii @ Apr 19 2008, 12:49 AM)
Don't get the cheapest Saga BLM.. Not worth.. What also dun have.. Even front bumper and rear bumper not being spray. >_< So ugly...
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LMST only got 75 bhp?
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QUOTE(-storm- @ Apr 18 2008, 11:45 PM)
Of course BLM la , im BLM user wor, nway seriously BLM can consider very comfortable car. The LMSt only SOHC and BLM DOHC. The LMST got 75 bhp(Horsepower) while the BLM got 94bhp(horsepower), meanwhile torque(pickup) for LMST 109Nm and BLM 120Nm, for the performance i think blm is better due to the DOHC. Both 1.3 L but power output different, the BLM is closer to the 1.5.
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Just to correct your statement.. LMST got 83bhp while iswara is 75bhp. For your information, although bhp and torque are higher that lmst, but blm still can't win lmst. Saga blm got very low engine respond.. BLM it took 13second to achieve 0-100kmh while lmst only need 12seconds. Not to mention my lmst, it only need 10seconds.. Top speed on blm is 160km/h claimed by Proton while lmst, you can ramp till the engine blow. The higher top speed I managed to get is 180kmh. Can blm going wheel spinning on 1st gear, 2nd gear and 3rd gear? Not to compare which car is faster but I tested drive a blm and I feel lmst had better pick up and power.
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QUOTE(kevinlim001 @ Apr 19 2008, 12:59 AM)
LMST only got 75 bhp?
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Added on April 19, 2008, 1:11 amit has no any sorts of fancy VVT design which is catered for both performance and FC

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I forget a point.. Saga BLM is much more comfortable the LMST.. When sit inside, feel more luxury compare sit inside lmst.
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erm..i heard BLM 5th gear @ 3000rpm is doing around 90km/h only...while LMST @ 3000rpm is doing 100km/h..cruising would be better for LMST..besides, i think lmst looks nice..BLM looks like abit kena penyek sideways..handling i think both also suck (BLM should be suckier cuz higher centre of gravity and taller)..cuz torsion beam got limitation wan..same like vios, city, sentra, latio..all handle like shiiit cuz using torsion beam tech..heck even a wira sedan can tapau them in corners..

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QUOTE(singchaii @ Apr 19 2008, 01:08 AM)
Just to correct your statement.. LMST got 83bhp while iswara is 75bhp. For your information, although bhp and torque are higher that lmst, but blm still can't win lmst. Saga blm got very low engine respond.. BLM it took 13second to achieve 0-100kmh while lmst only need 12seconds. Not to mention my lmst, it only need 10seconds.. Top speed on blm is 160km/h claimed by Proton while lmst, you can ramp till the engine blow. The higher top speed I managed to get is 180kmh. Can blm going wheel spinning on 1st gear, 2nd gear and 3rd gear? Not to compare which car is faster but I tested drive a blm and I feel lmst had better pick up and power.
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QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ Apr 19 2008, 02:28 AM)
i doubt original virgin lmst can do wheel spin on 1st gear, 2nd gear and 3rd gear.. not to mention ur FC definitely suckier than BLM as u traded FC for power smile.gif
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Dont buy Saga

Dont buy LMST

Buy MYVI.... smile.gif
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QUOTE(singchaii @ Apr 19 2008, 01:08 AM)
Just to correct your statement.. LMST got 83bhp while iswara is 75bhp. For your information, although bhp and torque are higher that lmst, but blm still can't win lmst. Saga blm got very low engine respond.. BLM it took 13second to achieve 0-100kmh while lmst only need 12seconds. Not to mention my lmst, it only need 10seconds.. Top speed on blm is 160km/h claimed by Proton while lmst, you can ramp till the engine blow. The higher top speed I managed to get is 180kmh. Can blm going wheel spinning on 1st gear, 2nd gear and 3rd gear? Not to compare which car is faster but I tested drive a blm and I feel lmst had better pick up and power.
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BLM top speed 180kmh with 4 peeps in the car. manual.

wheel spin till 3rd gear? FULAMAK! rclxms.gif rclxms.gif power siol!
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old is gold...  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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Haha.. yeah.. That why in SIE, got so many saga/iswara die hard fans..  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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without old skool saga, orion and magma, LMST and BLM wont exist...hail to saga old skool.. notworthy.gif notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ Apr 19 2008, 02:28 AM)
i doubt original virgin lmst can do wheel spin on 1st gear, 2nd gear and 3rd gear.. not to mention ur FC definitely suckier than BLM as u traded FC for power smile.gif
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Just to tell you, when my ride still in stock condition and just changed only muffler and bullet, it already can do wheel spin on 1st gear, 2nd gear and 3rd gear. Kweng can proof it as well when kweng tested my ride.

For my fc since virgin till now, I still managed to get at RM0.16-RM0.19 per km... icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(singchaii @ Apr 19 2008, 08:40 AM)
Just to tell you, when my ride still in stock condition and just changed only muffler and bullet, it already can do wheel spin on 1st gear, 2nd gear and 3rd gear. Kweng can proof it as well when kweng tested my ride.

For my fc since virgin till now, I still managed to get at RM0.16-RM0.19 per km...  icon_rolleyes.gif
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your car is the fastest yet great FC LMST i ever know rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ Apr 19 2008, 10:10 AM)
your car is the fastest yet great FC LMST i ever know rclxms.gif
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LMST fc always good.. You can go to saga/iswara thread, and ask for the lmst fc.. LMST fc is good yet it power.. More over come to our club, got alot lmst are even faster that mine and fc are same with mine. icon_rolleyes.gif

Car fastest got wat use? Poor in handling.. sweat.gif
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hey Singsong.. i mean singchaii.. cool!! ur car is fast n save fuel!! totally awesome dude!! YEAH!


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QUOTE(singchaii @ Apr 19 2008, 11:31 AM)
LMST fc always good.. You can go to saga/iswara thread, and ask for the lmst fc.. LMST fc is good yet it power.. More over come to our club, got alot lmst are even faster that mine and fc are same with mine.  icon_rolleyes.gif

Car fastest got wat use? Poor in handling..  sweat.gif
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no rempit coz still under 1k service.. i ask him to go 1k service then only decide
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QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ Apr 19 2008, 07:15 PM)
my friend 1 week lmss full tank fc +- 300km
no rempit coz still under 1k service.. i ask him to go 1k service then only decide
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your car is the fastest yet great FC LMST i ever know rclxms.gif
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Sinchaii car is fast man... notworthy.gif notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(singchaii @ Apr 19 2008, 08:43 PM)
LMSS? LMSS only on 2002 wow.. LMST izit? Before I do 1k service, full tank(RM70) I can go only 250km then start blinking liao.  sweat.gif
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yup...LMST..LMSS is limited edition..u can refer to 1st page saga/iswara thread...
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QUOTE(flyingteeku @ Apr 19 2008, 11:06 PM)
dun be surprise dude and dun underestimate the power of LMST...
Sinchaii car is fast man... notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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Walau singchaii your LMST really fast la, Mayb a mivec also lose to you, i know mivec can do 0-100 in 10 sec la, even a lightly modded wira 1.5 needs at least 12 sec.
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yeap
LMST can hit 180 km/h....
total stock, with 14" steel rims
ex-gf car and i kasi hantam

no its not downhill help... going back from damansara to bukit raja klang back in oct 2006...

user posted image

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yeap LMST can wheel spin on 1st and 2nd gear...
3rd gear gua belum cuba lagi
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but somehow feel more planted compared to my house vios
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My gf iswara stock manual car can hit 160 only... but its with 5 ppl inside.
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Erm, LMST still got sell right ? RM29k if not mistaken, far more better than buying a kancil .

Agree ?
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QUOTE(chyz66 @ Apr 20 2008, 04:35 PM)
Erm, LMST still got sell right ? RM29k if not mistaken, far more better than buying a kancil .

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yeap
LMST can hit 180 km/h....
total stock, with 14" steel rims
ex-gf car and i kasi hantam

no its not downhill help... going back from damansara to bukit raja klang back in oct 2006...

user posted image

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yeap LMST can wheel spin on 1st and 2nd gear...
3rd gear gua belum cuba lagi
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but somehow feel more planted compared to my house vios
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QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ Apr 19 2008, 02:28 AM)
i doubt original virgin lmst can do wheel spin on 1st gear, 2nd gear and 3rd gear.. not to mention ur FC definitely suckier than BLM as u traded FC for power smile.gif
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my LMST 83 bhp maybe ur LMST 75bhp only.. cry.gif while my FC around Rm0.14 (travelling 6 ppl adults with full trunk average 110-120 top speed of 150km/h) while lowest i hit RM0.128 (average 110 top speed 130)
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post Apr 20 2008, 05:42 PM


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eh how to calculate whp ar? is it a 20% power lost on the wheels due to the load?
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QUOTE(-storm- @ Apr 20 2008, 04:08 PM)
Walau singchaii your LMST really fast la, Mayb a mivec also lose to you, i know mivec can do 0-100 in 10 sec la, even a lightly modded wira 1.5 needs at least 12 sec.
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Depend what MIVEC lor. My friend mivec 1.6 on his wira, can get 8 seconds 0-100km/h.

QUOTE(kcng @ Apr 20 2008, 04:26 PM)
yeap
LMST can hit 180 km/h....
total stock, with 14" steel rims
ex-gf car and i kasi hantam

no its not downhill help... going back from damansara to bukit raja klang back in oct 2006...

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yeap LMST can wheel spin on 1st and 2nd gear...
3rd gear gua belum cuba lagi
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but somehow feel more planted compared to my house vios
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I still dun dare snap picture on 180kmh at lmst because the handling is not good. Must be concentrade enough or else, shit thing will happen. Hehe..

QUOTE(-storm- @ Apr 20 2008, 04:31 PM)
My gf iswara stock manual car can hit 160 only... but its with 5 ppl inside.
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Iswara top speed is lower compare to LMST. Because LMST and Iswara gear box is different. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(kb2005 @ Apr 20 2008, 05:29 PM)
Wha lau! At 180, you still can take pic ?  shocking.gif
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QUOTE(singchaii @ Apr 20 2008, 07:46 PM)
Depend what MIVEC lor. My friend mivec 1.6 on his wira, can get 8 seconds 0-100km/h.
I still dun dare snap picture on 180kmh at lmst because the handling is not good. Must be concentrade enough or else, shit thing will happen. Hehe..
Iswara top speed is lower compare to LMST. Because LMST and Iswara gear box is different.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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passenger dude...
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the passenger which is my ex... she took this pic after i told her too...

actually compare iswara aeroback (15") and LMST (14"), LMST feel more planted..... cuz of the ARB in the front maybe
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QUOTE(kcng @ Apr 20 2008, 11:24 PM)
passenger dude...
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the passenger which is my ex... she took this pic after i told her too...

actually compare iswara aeroback (15") and LMST (14"), LMST feel more planted..... cuz of the ARB in the front maybe
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wat mean more planted?
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QUOTE(singchaii @ Apr 20 2008, 11:28 PM)
wat mean more planted?
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not as floaty......
sorry....
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QUOTE(kcng @ Apr 20 2008, 11:37 PM)
not as floaty......
sorry....
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Before I get LMST, my ride was iswara aeroback.. I feel LMST better in power and handling ler. tongue.gif Last time iswara using 13inch only. haha.
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