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 ASB loan, worth to get it???

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luqe
post Jan 14 2014, 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(gonzalo20 @ Jan 14 2014, 03:35 PM)
I have rm16k in my bank. Plan to put it on my asb. Better to put constnt every month or lump sum is better? Any different in interest or profit? Btw for asb loan, i will pay it everymonth also. Thats mean everymonth i gonna pay for asb loan n put saving on asb also.

P/s: im not so good in this kind of things
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Better to put lump sum. ASB dividend calculation is based on average minimum balance u have each month. i.e:
if u dump in 16k in dec 2013 n maintain that value until end of dec 2014, the dividend calc is as per below:
min value each month = 16k
average monthly balance in a year period: 16k x 12 / 12 = 16k. if the dividend is 10% then the div u get is 10% out of 16k = 1.6k as dividend in 2014.
If lets say u put 1k a month, the calculation for average is (1k+2k+3k+4k+5k+6k+7k+8k+9k+10k+11k+12k ) / 12 = 6.5k. Dividend will be 10% from 6.5k = 0.65k.

One more thing...better to save on ur own compare to take asb loan if u think u can be very discipline. make a detail calculation n u will see why....can earn double if saving on own
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post Jan 14 2014, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(navink @ Jan 14 2014, 05:22 PM)
Im still thinking wanna take loan for ASB or not. As one of participating bank for ASB I can get staff loan of BLR-2%. Do u think it is worth it?
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If take asb loan, choose the bank with the lowest interest rate. asb loan is a win-win situation. u win bank win. If bank offer lower interest, u win bigger smile.gif

But the best winner is the one who installs monthly to asb without using loan..that's a double win smile.gif smile.gif

This post has been edited by luqe: Jan 14 2014, 05:52 PM
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post Jan 14 2014, 06:06 PM

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QUOTE(gonzalo20 @ Jan 14 2014, 04:41 PM)
people said, TH interest is higher, but TH cannot make bank loan right? no which one making more profit?
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Nope. TH dividen is lower, asb higher...But, TH already deduct zakat simpanan while asb did not..zakat is 2.5%.
So, in the end they r about the same. if asb 7.5%, it's equal to TH 5.0%. if u use asb, zakat is only imposed if the money reach the amount wajib zakat, around 11k.

This post has been edited by luqe: Jan 14 2014, 06:09 PM
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post Jan 14 2014, 06:31 PM

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QUOTE(navink @ Jan 14 2014, 05:54 PM)
The reason is that i can save up to 1.8k per month and once I finished off my credit card payment the savings would be 2.6k. Is it worth it for me to take the loan or I should save myself 2.6k per month?
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Depends on ur discipline and needs.
If u jenis yg no discipline, take asb loan...u hospitalized ka, kahwin ka, dapat anak ka, car broke down ka, petrol naik rege ka, mau beli rumah ka, u have to bayar to bank / terminate loan kalau xmampu bayar.

If u know cincai2 (after consider any unexpected event) u can save at least 1k a month, better don't sign for loan.
4 years ago i use loan coz wanna force to save. after 13 months i terminate to get money. That saved me during that day.
Now i know i got much spare so decide to not use asb. I did all the calculation in Excel and found out a very surprising fact:
Case scenario 1 : asb loan 100k term 10 yrs, monthy rm1059..
Total bayar ke bank: 1059*12*10 = rm127,080
Jumlah pendapatan (yearly div stays in asb, assume div 7%, include amount 100k): rm196,714
Untung bersih (money in asb after 10yrs - total pay to bank): rm69,634

Case scenario 2 : no loan, install rm1059 to asb monthly for 10 years..
Total bayar ke bank: rm0
Jumlah pendapatan (1059*12*10, consider all dividen assuming 7%, never withdraw $) : rm182,237
Untung bersih : rm182,237

Using Excel, correct me if wrong. U see? nearly triple profit compare to loan.

This post has been edited by luqe: Jan 14 2014, 06:48 PM
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post Jan 14 2014, 06:47 PM

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QUOTE(gonzalo20 @ Jan 14 2014, 06:36 PM)
for scenario 2 i think u calculate it wrongly, it should be rm 135,975
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Not like that...the calculation is not for single dividen of 7%. "all dividen" means dividen for 10 years. For both scenario, calc every yr dividen. thats why shud use excel n put calculation formula
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post Jan 14 2014, 08:03 PM

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QUOTE(Kimmiey @ Jan 14 2014, 07:48 PM)
Can explain more bro?
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Refer : Post #656
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post Jan 15 2014, 07:43 PM

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QUOTE(acexii @ Jan 14 2014, 11:48 PM)
Which one is jumlah pendapatan higher? Case scenario 1 right?

Total to deposit to asb / payment to bank = 1059*12*10, right?

Which one is more "profitable"?
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Pendapatan means the amount in ur asb account.
For case 1: amount in ur asb account is higher, but when deduct what u have paid to bank, the profit is lesser than asb without loan.
For case 2: amount in ur asb acc after 10 yrs is lesser, but u have nothing to deduct!! everything u pay is to ur own asb account and it's all yours. so..profit is higher.

If u use masami's idea of loan 3-5 years then terminate also a good idea. That works for short term. My calculation is based on long term until finish loan. 100k loan for 10yrs term is just example. You guys can calculate ur own which one is more profitable with ur needs. No 1 scheme fits all.

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post Jan 17 2014, 07:28 PM

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QUOTE(acexii @ Jan 16 2014, 09:15 AM)
I think you miscalculated a bit here. As you say Pendapatan means the amount in the asb account, so the total amount already nett apart from monthly installment to bank. hence it not need to deduct again.

case 1 ----> Your installment  1059*12*10 =127,080 but end of 10 year you will get 196,714

case 2 ---> Your installment  1059*12*10 =127,080 but end of 10 year you will get 182,237

Unless you go for 20 year or more, scenario case 2 will gain more money compare with case 1.
Easy money, rinse & repeat.
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For that case, actually the amount RM196,714 already include 100k asb certificate from the beginning. Pendapatan is my own term (i m not expert in financing terms) to mean whatever owned or will be owned by account holder. Which is why the total installment to the bank must be deducted at the end to get net profit. Hope that clear. :icon_rolleyes.gif:

 

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