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lucifah
post Nov 11 2011, 05:52 PM

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i plan to take out 100k from my ASB (maxed out) and dump it into AHB, and get a 100k ASB loan (10yrs)

how much will i earn just by playing around?

100k AHB @ 6.0% p.a. = 6,000
100k ASB @ 7.0% p.a. = 7,000
total = 13,000

100k ASB loan repayment (maybank, BLR -1.65%) = 1,060/mo x 12 = 12,720 p.a.

How much I earn? = 13,000 - 12,720 = 280 p.a.

How much do i have to pay to service my loan = NIL

What do i get? Free rm 100k


being a bumiputra cainiz is fukken win!

and i have yet to factor in compounding dividend...

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This post has been edited by lucifah: Nov 11 2011, 05:55 PM
lucifah
post Nov 12 2011, 12:04 AM

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QUOTE(potenza10 @ Nov 11 2011, 08:55 PM)
More wealth? Can u calculate loan asb vs saving by own until end of 20yrs, which one is more? Hahahaha...simple calculation.
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it might be almost the same, but u forgot one very good feature about the asb loan

say you loan 200k for 20-years

you will automatically need to purchase MRTA


and say, after 5 yrs paying, you suddenly kicked the bucket

your spouse or your next of kin will automatically get the 200k foc, regardless of how much u have paid

this is true story as i got personal exp


lucifah
post Nov 12 2011, 08:51 AM

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QUOTE(SANGKANCIL2000 @ Aug 15 2011, 09:09 PM)
this type of investment only happen in malaysia...

no need effort also can get money in return...

just because of  colour...

ini memang 1 malaysia... malays 1st other second as mention by TPM
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it is not no effort, but very less effort. u sitll need to initiate the loan 1st...

i is yellow-skinned cainiz bumiputra, so your statement is wrong

there are ways for a true non-bumi cainiz to be bumiputra, but i guess this is not the place to discuss about it...


lucifah
post Dec 24 2011, 09:11 AM

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QUOTE(miellennium @ Dec 23 2011, 06:31 PM)
for me asb loan is for those who think about long term, after retirement where that day we don't have enough capability to do work, but at least we still have money to keep survive + for our children..

frankly, im still young.. i take rm200k asb loan for 25 years tenure. my target is 1m after 25 YEARS. if i'm not survive that long, it also for my family's benefit. it's ok.
my method, i'm not touching my dividend at all. don't worry, if some say suddenly got emergency where u need to use money immediately, it's your choice. u can cash out that dividend anytime after 1 year. it's ok

based on example situation ... lets say dividend is 7% every month (worst case scenario) .. itu belum campur bonus lagi

i pay rm1132 per month / rm13584 per year.

so total i pay rm339600.

but then... after 25 years, i manage to get rm 1,014,473.
so, conclusion is .... i just pay rm339,600, but i get rm1,014,473 back.

instead if i'm not taking advantage of asb loan ... i just got that rm339,600 from my own saving only.

so, ape yang rugi nyer amek asb loan? idop sengsara 25 tahun? kalau betol la rasa macam sengsara, amek method laen. tahun ke-2 byr guna untung dividen aje, tak payah nak sentuh dah duit gaji tu. 1 sen pon tak luak dari gaji. cuma untung sikit la, sikit takpe... at least still ada. dari tak ada langsung?
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good explanation bro

this is what most people don't see


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post Jun 21 2013, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(acexii @ Jun 21 2013, 03:38 PM)
Thought you already decided not to take asb loan...

Answer to your question is no. Use own money is better.
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actually you are neither right or wrong

there's a risk of increased BLR, or reduced dividend, or a combination of both

if all variables remain static, you earn approximately 1 - 2% more with ASB loan than using your own money

depends if the 1-2% is worth the risk to that individual

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post Jun 21 2013, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(acexii @ Jun 21 2013, 03:47 PM)
Yup, I know but simple calculation based on present rate using own money still more $$ compare to loan.

But I myself still prefer loan compare to using own money. I can gain $$ with loan brows.gif
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or you can leverage your cash reserve by converting it into loan and use the cash for other investments instead. laugh.gif
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post Jul 1 2013, 12:20 AM

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for the lulz, i took a 100k ASB loan for 10 yrs

no specific reason, just trying to build my credit profiling

and it seems to work laugh.gif
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post Jul 1 2013, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(Mr.Docter @ Jul 1 2013, 09:23 AM)
Hey, I thought you already maxed up your ASB account.

Its okay if its not, but if yes, how can you add up on the max account? Teach us the way please! biggrin.gif
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easy

you take out 100k and u loan 100k

the 100k you put in AS1m

ASB dividend: 8%

Loan interest: 5% (BLR - 1.85%)

AS1M dividend: 6.3%

total nett earning: 8% - 5% + 6.3% = 9.3% (more than ASB alone icon_idea.gif)

leverage your earning while you build up your credit profile
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post Jul 1 2013, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(Mr.Docter @ Jul 1 2013, 10:53 AM)
Don't study anything yet regarding AS1M, but this sound doable.

I don't know when I may reach this stage, as house & car loan should be the first to consider once you started working, yes?
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no.

car = liability

house = asset, yes. but it locks you down to 1 place and u cant grow unless u willing to move out from that house
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post Jul 1 2013, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(Mr.Docter @ Jul 1 2013, 11:00 AM)
Liability or not, it almost a must-have subject to travel/work etc nowadays for vehicle.

House, yes. Probably you are right. You suggesting to renting till I decided to permanently settle down in 1 location?
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get a bike. it serves the same purpose


house is a chiken and egg thingy


wait till you are comfortable and rich enuf, house price will increase too much liao

buy too early, you're locked in and can't expand your career as freely
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post Jul 1 2013, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(masami @ Jul 1 2013, 10:22 AM)

as i said before in this thread.. your roi can reach up to 25% by doing this.

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do able, but u really need to spend time to do all the paperwork and some initial money to play the dice laugh.gif
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post Jul 1 2013, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(Mr.Docter @ Jul 1 2013, 11:06 AM)
Cannot bike, my (future) waifu is too petite laugh.gif . Gotta get a car, a mini or compact one will do for the first 5 years minimum.

Yep, house is really chicken & egg thingy. If I may ask, what is your personal opinion regarding this matter?

ADD : Too bad hospital-provided apartment only applicable in the first 2 years, if I am not mistaken. Renting it is approximately RM 60 yer month! laugh.gif
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stay with your mom and dad

they'll appreciate the company and reduce the empty nest syndrome
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post Jul 1 2013, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(Mr.Docter @ Jul 1 2013, 11:06 AM)

ADD : Too bad hospital-provided apartment only applicable in the first 2 years, if I am not mistaken. Renting it is approximately RM 60 yer month! laugh.gif
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if u stay outside, u can get housing allowance which is about a few hundred per month hmm.gif
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post Jul 1 2013, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(acexii @ Jul 1 2013, 11:06 AM)
Kinda remember a quote from George Clooney in the movie "Up In The Air" - The slower we move the faster we die. Make no mistake, moving is living. nod.gif
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good quote. but again, at some point u will have to settle down and think about your old age. u dun want to be at age 50 and still sending yrou kid to kindergarten. everyone will ask you, is that your grand son? laugh.gif laugh.gif


ayam at that stage liao. quite late sad.gif
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post Jul 1 2013, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(Mr.Docter @ Jul 1 2013, 11:18 AM)
Did you friend mention how much the allowance? I'd receive the information from my senior whom currently doing her HO.

Nett salary during HO : 4.5-5k inclusive the allowance and whatnot. Quite good.

OR 3.5-4k, I am not sure. But I think 5k max inclusive all.
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depends

my sis in law got rm 800. but she's a U52.
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post Jul 2 2013, 04:14 PM

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QUOTE(Mr.Docter @ Jul 1 2013, 11:17 AM)
Possible to comply, as current house is a walking distance from hospital hmm.gif

How about purchasing medium-cost house (max RM100k-150k) and try to settle within 10 years (doable considering the combined salary AND I am tied to gov for 10 years service). After that, get moving and leave the house for rent.

OR it would be better to purely concentrate on ASB + AS1M and buying the (much) better house for permanent stay?
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at your stage, it'd be better to develop your skills as a doctor

be a specialist

even govt specialist can earn about 12 - 15k per month

don't try to be to specialized, like brain surgeon, not much market

high in demands are oncology and orthopaedics

 

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