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ASB loan, worth to get it???
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darkknight81
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Dec 11 2008, 12:56 PM
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<<< Dari contoh simpanan ASB RM 100,000 yang terdiri dari Deposit RM 5,000 manakala RM 95,000 pinjaman bank mengikut kadar BLR + 0.5% (iaitu 6.9% setahun) ==> Bayaran bulanan RM 731 untuk tempoh 20 tahun. Seperti yang diiklan, dividen akan diberi terus kpd anda. Contoh: dividen 7% setahun, anda akan dapat RM 7,000 setiap tahun. Boleh dibelanjakan apa saja anda suka dan at the end of 20 years, anda akan terima RM100,000 yang boleh digunakan untuk beli rumah, pendidikan anak dan sebagainya.
Cara A - Gunakan dividen untuk bayar semula pinjaman Hasil pengiraan saya menggunakan software Optimoney, jika dividen 7% setahun atau RM 7,000 itu dibayar semula kpd bank untuk mengurangkan baki pinjaman anda, loan ASB anda dijangka selesai dalam masa 7 tahun 6 bulan dengan jumlah pembayaran penuh hampir RM 120,827 (termasuk deposit RM5,000 dan dividen RM7,000 yg dibayar semula setiap tahun) Ini bermakna, anda terpaksa membayar RM 120,000 untuk mendapatkan RM100,000 selepas 7 hingga 8 tahun. Untung atau rugi? Jika anda labur RM 731 ke dalam ASB setiap bulan selama 8 tahun pun, simpanan anda akan menjadi RM 94,260. Campur deposit RM 5,000 yang disimpan utk 8 tahun juga,future value adalah RM 8,590. Total nilai pelaburan anda = 102,850. Dah lebih 100,000 dah.>>> You cannot use old blr to compare. For my housing loan offer is BLR - 1.88 = 6.5 - 2.88 = 4.62% Let assume ASB loan to be 5% ASB RETURN TO be 7% annually. You loan 95 k for 20 years and 5k down payment. That means you got to pay RM 627 Monthly and RM 7524 annually. With ASB annual return of 7% you will got RM 7000.00 dividend. So basically 7524 - 7000 = 524 that means you got to pay RM 524 Annually. For 20 years = RM 10480 So total you pay RM 5000 + RM 10480 = RM 15480 only.... Look at it this way you pay RM 15480 to get RM 100K in 20 years time....and the rm 15480 is not one lump sum which you can pay monthly....How many percent return?? 645% return in 20 years..... Government is always helping the bumi... just that the bumi don know how to help themselves Pathetic isn't This post has been edited by darkknight81: Dec 11 2008, 12:57 PM
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darkknight81
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Dec 12 2008, 08:02 PM
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QUOTE(dcs* @ Dec 12 2008, 06:04 PM) Just curious, how do you calculate that the monthly payment would be RM627/month based on RM95,000 loan with 5% interest? Not too good with these banking interest calculations. Using the loan calculator of RHB bank... you can use other bank will be the same. base on 5% interest rates... Added on December 12, 2008, 8:08 pmQUOTE(YuNGSeNG @ Dec 12 2008, 07:42 PM) Just curious, is the dividend of ASB always 7-8% ? ASB dividend has been the highest among all the PNB fund. Normally the past record is 7sen dividend plus 2 sen bonus... so is about 9% ... 7% can consider as the worst case senario already. This post has been edited by darkknight81: Dec 12 2008, 08:08 PM
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darkknight81
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Dec 13 2008, 12:37 AM
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QUOTE(YuNGSeNG @ Dec 12 2008, 10:57 PM) Then no meaning for bumiputera to involve in mutual fund, stock market or insurance endowment plan ? I guess there must be some pro and con of ASB. Of course ... for those who are greedy and want fast return they won consider ASB at all....What is 7 % per annum ?? They can earn 20% one day by trading stock (that is their mindset) So its all depend on how you think.... But really if you got few k savings in asb you will not see much return base on 7% annual return unless you keep for long long time. Been fans of ASW and ASM since 12  now is almost 13 years already ... Every you can reciv dividend which is higher than FD... At least can hedge against inflation
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darkknight81
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Dec 13 2008, 11:32 AM
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QUOTE(YuNGSeNG @ Dec 13 2008, 12:10 PM) So, are you mean the best investment (long term investment but not speculation) for bumiputera will be ASB ? I din say it is the best investmet... The best investment is depends on individual.... But if i am bumi i won play any UT i would rather put my money into ASB. Like currently i am doing my saving in ASW and ASM... Did not invest 1 sen even in any UT. This post has been edited by darkknight81: Dec 13 2008, 11:34 AM
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darkknight81
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Dec 15 2008, 05:06 PM
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QUOTE(Vieri777 @ Dec 15 2008, 04:15 PM) Just went to see Maybank ASB loan promo n I think its very attractive. 1-3yrs = BLR - 1.45% = 5.05% Thereon..BLR-1.30% = 5.15% Somemore loan is REDUCING BALANCE !! and bear in mind, dividend is compounding. I think this is a very2 good deal indeed. Yup provided you are bumi
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darkknight81
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Dec 16 2008, 09:23 PM
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QUOTE(Vieri777 @ Dec 16 2008, 06:49 PM) SydG, isnt the capital guaranteed by Gov? doesnt that mean zero-risk? of course return is not guaranteed but what was the lowest return ?ASB can be savings plan/retirement plan/education for kids but definitely not for u to take out dvd n go shopping key points... -dvd is compounding n loan is reducing. -ASB will kira dvd based on lowest monthly balance. -n dont forget LEVERAGE ! -opss ONE more....loan is insured ! for a 25yr 100k loan, monthly is 611 now...run that on excel and see what happens. think about it laa bro, why Gov dont open to non-bumi ? why only ASB got loan ?  Yup thats y i mentioned before " the government is trying their very best already to help the bumis... but most of the time... the bumis don know how to help themselves  " What do you expect again....? almost minimal capital to make an almost guaranteed return on investment..... We chinese got to take so much risk on busines and investment... Sound harsh but is real fact ..... This post has been edited by darkknight81: Dec 16 2008, 09:25 PM
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darkknight81
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Dec 16 2008, 09:45 PM
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QUOTE(Hadey @ Dec 16 2008, 10:30 PM) But what if you take into consideration that inflation rises around 2-3% every year? Then there wouldnt be much use to take up loans for ASB rite? Well thats what i think. RM100k 25 years in the future will be less of value than RM100k now  Use your logic brother....IF YOU GOT 100K to invest yes you got to consider the inflation..... But for ASB LOAN... you basically don need any capital ok.....use the dividend to pay the loan.. and you end up own 100k....
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darkknight81
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Dec 16 2008, 10:04 PM
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QUOTE(Hadey @ Dec 16 2008, 10:57 PM) Well if u can get a 0% interest loan then ok la.. But loan nowadays has around 6% p.a interest. ASB dividen is around 8% p.a. So ur actual returns per year is only around 2% per annum. Take that 2% annual return that u get, u have to minus with a 2-3% increase in inflation every year. So at last you wont get anything For my housing loan offer is BLR - 1.88 = 6.5 - 2.88 = 4.62% Let assume ASB loan to be 5% ASB RETURN TO be 7% annually. You loan 95 k for 20 years and 5k down payment. That means you got to pay RM 627 Monthly and RM 7524 annually. With ASB annual return of 7% you will got RM 7000.00 dividend. So basically 7524 - 7000 = 524 that means you got to pay RM 524 Annually. For 20 years = RM 10480 So total you pay RM 5000 + RM 10480 = RM 15480 only.... Look at it this way you pay RM 15480 to get RM 100K in 20 years time....and the rm 15480 is not one lump sum which you can pay monthly....How many percent return?? 645% return in 20 years.....
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