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 Is it necessary to got buy an insurance?

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bbjslee
post Nov 8 2008, 04:18 AM

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QUOTE(chikanot @ Nov 2 2008, 11:44 PM)
Dude, actually it is not applicable to everybody though.
Life insurance is only suitable for somebody who has dependents on him/her.

Actually I am a bit skeptical this after being mention by dreamer101, but after reading 4-5books on insurance topic, all of them are basically saying those lines. The arguments was it cost 6-8 times more compare to term insurance for the same protection but sadly we do not has any term insurance here in malaysia.

I am in a midst of searching for my Health and PA insurance but currently haven't find any to satisfy my insurance needs.

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What kind of coverage are you looking for in term insurance. A lot of insurance company in Malaysia has term insurance. Including the one I'm being an agent - GE.

There are many Health & PA in the market. What's your need? Quite surprised, with more than 20 insurance company in the market, you can't find the product that suits your needs. Tell us your need then we can help you.
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post Jan 2 2009, 02:57 AM

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Insurance is for RISK MANAGEMENT and RISK POOLING. 

A) Insurance company's goal is to MAKE MONEY.

B) Your goal as a customer of insurance is to cover your RISK with reasonable costs.


You are absolutely right here.

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So, let's have some common sense here, if you are OLD and most OLD people are likely to get sick, do you THINK that insurance will intentionally LOSE MONEY and give you a good deal on PREMIUM??

Define old? How many low yat members reading this is that old?

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In the end, if you BUY XYZ type insurance, it only covers XYZ type of incidence and NOTHING else.  So, if you buy life insurance, you get $$ if you DIED.

But, the problem is LIFE is full of EMERGENCIES that does not cover by insurance.  You need EMERGENCY FUND and SAVINGS to protect yourself from that.  For example, recession, unemployment and so on.  I know people that are in 45 to 50 that can no longer find a job.  They are healthy but unemployable.  And, that is normal economy.  So, insurance does not cover for that.

You are making this statement, because you only knows some insurance product. You've conveniently forgot to add that most Whole Life insurance and ILP covers Dreaded Diseases. Of course almost all life insurance covers TPD as well.
Also, if not for PIDM, is your saving in local bank safe? (At least for RM60k)

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Insurance agent like to "BAIT and Switch" sales tactic.  Blah, blah, blah, somebody got hit by something and they are in financial ruins.  But, they usually conveniently forget to you that:
A) Insurance may not cover for that too.

- Consumers have the right to ask what's covered, what's not covered.
- Consumers have 15 cooling days to read the policy thoroughly before agreeing on it, else they can cancel the plan and get full refund.
- Don't blame agents on this. Do car sales man tell you the weakness of his car? Do sales engineer tell you what his product cannot do in detail? Do real estate agents tell you the house got bad feng shui? This is SALES.

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B) The premium is SO HIGH that you are more likely to go bankrupt first before that kind of incidence happened.

Which product do you mean here? Don't generalize all insurance product to have HIGH PREMIUM.

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My RULE of THUMB is you need to SAVE at least 10% to 15% of your gross income for financial survival.  So, before you EVEN talk about buying insurance, you need to have that FIRST.  And, you need to have 3 to 6 months of expense as Emergency Fund before even talking about buying car or house.  Of course, insurance agent will advice you something else.  Because if that is the RULE, they will have much fewer customers.

Your Emergency Fund / Savings is your first level of insurance.  It covers for any POSSIBLE incidence / risk.  It is YOUR MONEY

Every 10 years, people have to learn this.  Recession is possible and you may be unemployed for a long time.  Now, it is time for NEWBIE to learn this again.
Financial planning rule is set aside 10% of your income for Insurance.
What incident that your saving in bank can cover but not insurance product? I can only think of one.
- Lost of income due to bad economy

What about other incidents then?
- Medical expenses.
- Lost of income due to dreaded diseases.
- Housing loan debt, debtor passed away.
Imagine cases above, how would you finance them? would you rather
- Use your own saving?
- Sell off your assets & investments?
- Ask from your parents, relatives & friends?
- Ask for donations from public?
- Claim from your insurance?
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post Jan 2 2009, 03:07 AM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Jan 2 2009, 02:58 AM)
DannyOP,

<<In one area where insurance is useful is when the breadwinner of a family dies.>>

Have a JOINT A/C with your spouse.  Tell him / her that if anything happen to you, withdraw the money out of the A/C first.  Anyhow, that is a good idea in MOST cases anyhow.  If the bread winner get into an accident, you need someone else to get money from the bank.  Now, if you cannot TRUST your spouse with a joint A/C, you have a BIGGER problem than money.

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How many spouse can keep such a cool head, able to go to bank to withdraw all the money out the minute something happen to his/her partner?
He/she could even forget what' the ATM PIN number!
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post Jan 2 2009, 03:48 AM

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<<You are making this statement, because you only knows some insurance product. You've conveniently forgot to add that most Whole Life>>

Here we go again:

A) Whole life = term life + savings / cash back

Except that if you save the premium difference between whole life and term life and put into FD, you make MORE MONEY.

Oop, I forgot.  You are SELLING Insurance as per your post.
<<ILP covers Dreaded Diseases. >>

B) Yes, pay more to insurance agent in order to buy UNIT TRUST.
<<TPD>>

C) Read the FINE PRINT.  It ONLY covers disability under CERTAIN circumstances.  In USA, as long as you cannot WORK under ANY medical condition, you are covered.

Very clever of you, a whole sentence which is meant to be understood as a whole, you break it into 3 parts to answer them. Very clever of twisting.
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<<- Consumers have the right to ask what's covered, what's not covered.
- Consumers have 15 cooling days to read the policy thoroughly before agreeing on it, else they can cancel the plan and get full refund.
- Don't blame agents on this. Do car sales man tell you the weakness of his car? Do sales engineer tell you what his product cannot do in detail? Do real estate agents tell you the house got bad feng shui? This is SALES.>>

D) Why should we listen to you to BEGIN with if you ARE NOT going to tell us what is NOT covered??

I don't force you to listen. It is common sense, sales people do not tell all unless asked. And if they don't tell the truth, after being asked, that's cheating.

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<<What about other incidents then?
- Medical expenses.
- Lost of income due to dreaded diseases.
- Housing loan debt, debtor passed away.>>

E) So?? Is that the ONLY kind of financial emergency that you can thunk of??  Of course, you are SELLING insurance.  You ARE NOT going to tell when insurance does not work.  We have to find out ourselves.

<< I can only think of one.
- Lost of income due to bad economy>>

F) You are either YOUNG and FOOLISH or DISHONEST.  So, why should we listen to you??

G) Who say that economy has to be BAD for you to lose your job??

Interesting how you slice and dice my reply to answer it.
If you don't lose your job due to bad economy, chances are you're able to find a new job pretty quickly, unless you have your own personal problem.
Tell me then, OLD & WISE dreamer, what incidents you think is not covered by insurance?

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<<Imagine cases above, how would you finance them? would you rather
- Use your own saving?>>

H) "Bait and Switch" again.  If you BUY all the insurance and cover to the MAX, you will go bankrupt FIRST. 

Did I advice forum readers to buy ALL the insurance and cover to the MAX? Where you get the impression?

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<<Financial planning rule is set aside 10% of your income for Insurance. >>

I) Which is a bunch of BS.  If a person cannot save 10% to 15% of their gross income to BEGIN with, why should they spend 10% on insurance??  In fact, if they do not have 10% to 15% savings, they will go bankrupt spending 10% on insurance.

That is the person's own financial planning. I could never ask a poor person to insure themselves, they SURVIVE on ALL their income, they can't even save.

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J) Here we go again.  Another sell tactic.  You are INTERESTED ONLY in selling versus what is GOOD for the financial health of your customer.

K) Did you ever ask your customer whether they have EMERGENCY FUND before asking them to buy insurance??

We're obliged to fact find the customer. Consumers nowadays are very picky and smart. They could read a thread like this and ask millions of questions to agents. They are more knowledgeable in investment that they think they are better at doing their own investment then letting the pro do it for them. You have never sell insurance before, you would be surprised to find that most potential customers are not as dumb as you think.

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L) Given that MOST young people is having problem saving money to begin with, I doubt they have ANY emergency fund.  So, how does buying insurance and putting them in deeper hole help them??

Depend on situation, when you are out of job, the next thing you would want is to be admitted to hospital or diagnosed with any dreaded diseases. If think another way round, if you are out of job, the next BEST thing to happen is you have a big insurance coverage and you're diagnosed with dreaded diseases.

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M) You NEED to pay insurance premium in order to be covered.  For people with NO SAVINGS, how long can their insurance last of they lose their job / income.

Depending on their policies and mode of payment, and how long have they purchased the insurance plan. In some cases, policy holders no longer require to pay the annual premium for PARTICIPATING LIFE POLICIES after 20 yrs. The cash bonus accumulated is more than enough to cover the future premiums.
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post Jan 2 2009, 10:17 PM

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QUOTE(athlon 11 @ Jan 2 2009, 09:26 PM)
this should not be an accuse,if a sales person have good moral value,he will tell his custumer the weakness of his product too,he can say in a proper way like engineering is a good choice for student who like maths,instead of straight saying 'your maths is too sucks,engineering is not for you.'
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QUOTE(athlon 11 @ Jan 2 2009, 09:40 PM)
i agree now a lot custumer are smart,however,we as sales person can not assume all our custumer are smart so no need to teach them ,as insurance planning are part of financial planning too,we do need to make sure the insurance premium are not burden our custumer too.anyway,i think you will help your custumer to plan this too.
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How much details can you explain in 1 hr? If I give you lecture of half an hr on certain insurance product, you'll fall asleep. How to keep the conversation going? INTERACTIVITY. How to have interactivity? ASK & ANSWER.
All the terms and conditions, what's covered, what's not covered are freely, publicly, easily available everywhere.
All you need to do is ASK.
Is it so hard for you to just ask the agents
- What is not covered?
- How to claim?
- If I have this this & this, can I claim?
. etc...
Don't blame the agent for not telling you EVERYTHING if you didn't ask him to. You are just not exercising your consumer rights. Even if I want to tell you everything without you asking any question, you would not be interested anymore after I only go through quarter of it.

I've been off topic here, it should be discussed in new thread such as "sales ethic". Not in this thread.

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post Feb 26 2009, 09:30 AM

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Dear Mods,

On and off we always have members asking for Insurance opinions. Can we pin this thread?

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