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 Is it necessary to got buy an insurance?

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athlon 11
post Dec 31 2008, 03:17 AM

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QUOTE(lin00b @ Dec 30 2008, 11:25 PM)
1. why not have more than what you need so your dependent can have more buffer/freedom to do what they would like to do? like start a business perhaps.

2. IMHO, 10x annual income takes too much out of your monthly income

3. i'm always amazed at how you manage 50% saving, (i am at 25% as a fresh grad) do you think its possible with today's younger generation not used to the hardships you experienced?
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your statement 1 is assume something must happen,then even you buy 10 million coverage will still not be too much.

your statement 3,not just dreamer can,by carefully planning and implementing earning,i and a lot lyn members also can do that.

athlon 11
post Dec 31 2008, 11:20 PM

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QUOTE(lin00b @ Dec 31 2008, 09:45 AM)
1A: could you? how can you compare investment with insurance when they are different? investment needs time to mature, but insurance pays out whenever you KO.

1B: that seems contradictory to your save/invest 50% policy, you are not enjoying those

2: agree, and from the premium quoted, thats too much, IMHO

3. how about saving 50% independantly? i.e with no support?


Added on December 31, 2008, 9:49 am

it will be too much if the premium takes up a huge chunk of your income.

i'm advocating buy as much as you can, i'm thinking maybe buy at some %age of your income, i.e 5% (when you have 2k income, buy 100, and buy 500 when your income is 10k, etc) rather than totally giving it up at some point because you are rich already. does that seem logical to you?
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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Dec 26 2008, 11:54 PM)
lin00b,

I disagreed with that. You are missing ONE important parameter in the consideration.

1) How much coverage do you NEED??

It is a WASTE of money to buy more insurance coverage than you need. You are throwing money away.

The coverage need to be

A) High enough so that it actually helps when the incident happen.

B) Low enough so that the premium is affordable.

In general, 10 x Annual earning is the MAX life insurance that you should buy. Because life insurance's premium above 200K is so high, you may need to lower that too.

2 X Annual earning is the minimum life insurance that you should look at.

So, the RIGHT coverage is usually between 2 X Annual earning to 10 X annual earning and 200K or below.

Most people buy TOO MUCH life insurance in Malaysia.

<< "perhaps a better way of looking at it is how much %age of your total wealth it is paying out vs how much %age of your cashflow it is consuming?">>

Using that kind of formula for typical people in Malaysia will ended up buying TOO MUCH life insurance.

Dreamer

when dreamer suggest max insured for life insurance is 10x yearly salery,Here is what you say in post 190:


'1. why not have more than what you need so your dependent can have more buffer/freedom to do what they would like to do? like start a business perhaps.'

this is assuming something must happen,make your family become rich if getting insurance pay is like gambling,so i say,if you know something bad must happen,even buy a 10 million coverage are not too much.but if nothing happen,you are burden your current living.

you want higher coverage than dreamer suggest,however,how could you use 5% salery to buy that coverage?just a term life equilvalent to your 10 years salery may cost more than 5% of your total yearly salery.

This post has been edited by athlon 11: Dec 31 2008, 11:33 PM
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post Dec 31 2008, 11:46 PM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Dec 31 2008, 08:14 PM)
The PROBLEM in Malaysia is that they bundle everything (life, PA, disability, medical, critical illness).  So, it is harder for a consumer to shop for exactly what they want and need.  So, insurance can make MORE MONEY out of YOU.  It is NOT in their best interest to make you a smart consumer.

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senior dreamer,i will not suggest to buy a pure critical ill insurance in Malaysia,this kind of 1d insurance only pay if get CI,and they are not cheaper than 3d(death,tpd and Dread desease)insurance in Malaysia.

This post has been edited by athlon 11: Dec 31 2008, 11:47 PM
athlon 11
post Jan 2 2009, 09:26 PM

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QUOTE(bbjslee @ Jan 2 2009, 02:57 AM)

- Don't blame agents on this. Do car sales man tell you the weakness of his car? Do sales engineer tell you what his product cannot do in detail? Do real estate agents tell you the house got bad feng shui? This is SALES.
Which product do you mean here? Don't generalize all insurance product to have HIGH PREMIUM.
Financial planning rule is set aside 10% of your income for Insurance.
What incident that your saving in bank can cover but not insurance product? I can only think of one.
- Lost of income due to bad economy


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this should not be an accuse,if a sales person have good moral value,he will tell his custumer the weakness of his product too,he can say in a proper way like engineering is a good choice for student who like maths,instead of straight saying 'your maths is too sucks,engineering is not for you.'



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post Jan 2 2009, 09:40 PM

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QUOTE(bbjslee @ Jan 2 2009, 03:48 AM)
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J) Here we go again.  Another sell tactic.  You are INTERESTED ONLY in selling versus what is GOOD for the financial health of your customer.

K) Did you ever ask your customer whether they have EMERGENCY FUND before asking them to buy insurance??

We're obliged to fact find the customer. Consumers nowadays are very picky and smart. They could read a thread like this and ask millions of questions to agents. They are more knowledgeable in investment that they think they are better at doing their own investment then letting the pro do it for them. You have never sell insurance before, you would be surprised to find that most potential customers are not as dumb as you think.

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i agree now a lot custumer are smart,however,we as sales person can not assume all our custumer are smart so no need to teach them ,as insurance planning are part of financial planning too,we do need to make sure the insurance premium are not burden our custumer too.anyway,i think you will help your custumer to plan this too.
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post Jan 5 2009, 10:00 PM

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QUOTE(bbjslee @ Jan 2 2009, 10:17 PM)
How much details can you explain in 1 hr? If I give you lecture of half an hr on certain insurance product, you'll fall asleep. How to keep the conversation going? INTERACTIVITY. How to have interactivity? ASK & ANSWER.
All the terms and conditions, what's covered, what's not covered are freely, publicly, easily available everywhere.
All you need to do is ASK.
Is it so hard for you to just ask the agents
- What is not covered?
- How to claim?
- If I have this this & this, can I claim?
. etc...
Don't blame the agent for not telling you EVERYTHING if you didn't ask him to. You are just not exercising your consumer rights. Even if I want to tell you everything without you asking any question, you would not be interested anymore after I only go through quarter of it.

I've been off topic here, it should be discussed in new thread such as "sales ethic". Not in this thread.
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1)there is different between tell them all ,and tell them what they should know.

2)tell them all maybe makes people sleep,but basic things like what is coverad,what no covered,how much is coverage,and help them calculate is this plan affordable...this basic things is a must do for a good moral insurance agent.

3)for those want to buy insurance,you may use statement 2 as a check list to ask your insurance agent too.

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