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 Is it necessary to got buy an insurance?

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SUSkockroach
post Apr 10 2008, 11:06 PM

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QUOTE(cute_boboi @ Apr 10 2008, 10:42 AM)
Sorry, I would like to chip in based on some actual case.
I assume medical include the hospitalisation, surgery, anaesthetic, x-ray, MRI, CAT, ICU, HDW, etc. IINM, there are fine print stating claims can only be done over 3 yrs, i.e. 200k / 3 = 66,666 allowed per year.

e.g. If you are in critical condition and need surgery + bla bla bla which comes up to 100k, you can only claim 66k and fork out 34k yourself. Hence, you got balance 133,333 to use from next year on wards.
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QUOTE(yewkhuay @ Apr 10 2008, 05:04 PM)
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when u ask me to call up the hospitals to ask about the medical conditions tht require 200K n above n how likely it would happen, u should know the answer or hav the facts with u, if not , u r not different from ppl who can talk n divert conversation. obviously, u r either not willing to share or U DO NOT KNOW.

1. Ask a neurosurgeon to operate ur head, u need to get ready at least 15-20K , for what reason he operates on u is another story n another bill, that is only his fees.  DO u need a medical condition to get ur head operated ? No.Other ppl's accident can bring u to OT room, worse still if u r not conscious n ur family member doesn't know how to withdraw ur CASH. And we don hav to argue on how likely this will happen coz u agree tht personal accident is important but pls read the terms how much it covers for hospitalization.

i m here to promote insurance, but a person age 20 who purchase medical card of 60K/year, 200K/life time, the total premium he has to pay till age 70 is less than 60K, unless he is so sure tht he wouldn't need hospital service for the next 50years, getting a medical card doesn;t harm his finance n potentially help him. we can take care of our health as much but we can't guarantee we will be healthy n unhurt for tomorrow.

2. Cancer hit population age 20-99, when it hits , and too bad malaysian often got diagnosed late, and will require higher treatment cost. the best cancer treatment depends on type of cancer, can cost u upto 50K/month , still we are excluding some many other cost inccured.

i do not have to list all other medical conditions tht require LONG TERM treatment and the cost involve, may be for ur AGE u can find more ppl to ask about this n update us on ur findings.

3. Since the 1st day i got to know about life insurance, i hav not heard about above 200K coverage u hav to pay relatively higher premium (infact, where do u get this info may i ask?) , in fact it is lower if u purchase 200K in 1policy vs 40K x5policies, there is a discount incurred. Substandard premium applies on clients with Substandard health status. perhaps ppl who purchase above 500K coverage require some extra health screening and their health condition made them pay higher fees.

since we might some agents here, may be they can correct me if i m wrong.

i did not argue with u, did i sound so ? pls note tht i m not in ur AGE group, forgive me if i offended u, never mean so.
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So even a 200k medical insurance cannot cover up the cost of a 50k/month treatment, what is the point.

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post Apr 10 2008, 11:19 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 10 2008, 10:54 AM)
Yes, people don't read the fine print while some agents don't explain the max they can claim for.
Also I saw a relative that facing some surgery due to certain problem then after claiming the medical insurance for it, afterwards, the insurance company no long accept her medical insurance anymore even though she wants to buy it, but she is blacklisted by the insurance company mainly because the problem can be re-occurenced.

People always (not all) taught after they bought medical, then everything is covered already, don't need to worry. Then when situation really occur then only said insurance cheating one. Don't get me wrong, medical insurance is somehow essential but it doesn't mean it will cover everything. Also bought according to one's needs and affordability which is the most important.
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I agree that it is an uphill task for consumers to understand the exclusions, limitations and benefits of a medical card. However, it is still worthy to study before putting signature on the application form. Relying on agent is the old habit of the majority consumers in Malaysia. This situation needs to be changed.

In general, there are a few key areas that consumers have to pay attention to when selecting medical card (more appropriate term for medical card is Hospitalisation & Surgical (H&S) Insurance:

1) The structure of the H&S insurance
- standalone?
- attached to life insurance? or
- attached to investment-linked?

2) Types of plan
- H&S insurance with co-insurance?
- H&S insurance with deductible? or
- H&S insurance without co-insurance and deductible

3) Provisions of hospital admission
- with hospital admission assist card? or
- reimbursement basic?

4) Category of the plan
- individual plan?
- husband and wife plan?
- family plan? or
- single parent and children?

5) Renewal conditions
- renew at option of policyholder?
- renew at option of insurance company?
- a combination of renew at option of insurance company follow up renew at option of policyholder?

6) Claim limit for each benefit
- Up to annual limit?
- Up to sub-limit?

7) Co-insurance (if applicable)
- Minimum co-insurance (in Ringgit)?
- Maximum co-insurance (in Ringgit)?

8) Deductible (if applicable)
- Minimum deductible (in Ringgit)?
- Maximum deductible (in Ringgit)?

9) General exclusions
- About 20 exclusions - this one is available in almost all plan brochure - have to read by your own

10) Waiting periods (mandatory)
- 30 days for claim due to sickness
- 120 days for specified illness


Spend some time to study the advantages and disadvantages of the key areas mentioned above for any H&S insurance plan. I believe the consumer will be more informed and able to make a wise decision.

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post Apr 10 2008, 11:20 PM

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QUOTE(kockroach @ Apr 10 2008, 11:06 PM)
So even a 200k medical insurance cannot cover up the cost of a 50k/month treatment, what is the point.
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u r not limited to buy 200K medical insurance and u hav the right to choose the standard of the treatment tht u can afford.
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post Apr 11 2008, 07:57 AM

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QUOTE(kockroach @ Apr 10 2008, 11:06 PM)
So even a 200k medical insurance cannot cover up the cost of a 50k/month treatment, what is the point.
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To be brutally honest, it is very difficult to get enough insurance to cover every eventuality or medical treatment. This is because it depends on whether you can afford to get the maximum coverage, which means higher premiums. And also don't forget that medical costs increases by roughly 20% yearly.

Then there is also the annual and lifetime limit on medical claims. Medical insurance can only partly cover your costs. It is almost impossible to cover all your medical costs for all illnesses.
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post Apr 11 2008, 08:53 AM

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QUOTE(darthvader98 @ Apr 11 2008, 07:57 AM)
To be brutally honest, it is very difficult to get enough insurance to cover every eventuality or medical treatment. This is because it depends on whether you can afford to get the maximum coverage, which means higher premiums. And also don't forget that medical costs increases by roughly 20% yearly.

Then there is also the annual and lifetime limit on medical claims. Medical insurance can only partly cover your costs.  It is almost impossible to cover all your medical costs for all illnesses.
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darthvader98,

1) So, this is like everything else in life. You shop for what you can afford and make sense.

2) You make sure that you can save at least 10% to 15% of your gross income every month. Use that to build your emergency and investment. That is your first level of insurance.

3) Then, you budget for some insurance to protect against your greatest risk. And, your risk profile is different depending on your job, age and so on.

4) Do more exercise and eat healthy. It is cheaper in the long run and you live a better life.

5) Stop smoking.

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QUOTE(CheYong @ Apr 10 2008, 11:19 PM)
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Spend some time to study the advantages and disadvantages of the key areas mentioned above for any H&S insurance plan. I believe the consumer will be more informed and able to make a wise decision.
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Albeit long, I think it's better for you to list down the difference in the points you mentioned.
For eg:
1) The structure of the H&S insurance
- standalone?
- attached to life insurance? or
- attached to investment-linked?

2) Types of plan
- H&S insurance with co-insurance?
- H&S insurance with deductible? or
- H&S insurance without co-insurance and deductible

This post has been edited by b00n: Apr 11 2008, 09:29 AM
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post Apr 11 2008, 12:11 PM

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You will know how insurance benefit you and your family, when something really bad happen to your family.

Just like my mother, with the medical card, it cover the the hospitalization fee. This reduce our family burden.

Well, i should thank god as giving hope to my mother. We no need to worry too much for the fee and i able to buy my first car however my family actually need money.

haha.. i am not promoting insurance. But, when u are old, u should at least have some protection as ur medical fee might even more than what u paid for insurance.

Of course, afforable. the subjective key word. Yes, u might more likely to lose ur job. But u would not die because of this, you and may be ur family will just need to live harder. But if once u health is serious bad, good bye.

So, take good care of ur heath.
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post Apr 11 2008, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(yewkhuay @ Apr 10 2008, 11:20 PM)
u r not limited to buy 200K  medical insurance and u hav the right to choose the standard of the treatment tht u can afford.
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If my income could not afford medical insurance over 200k, why bother to get one that is below 200k.
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QUOTE(g00glesYYl @ Apr 11 2008, 12:11 PM)
You will know how insurance benefit you and your family, when something really bad happen to your family.

Just like my mother, with the medical card, it cover the the hospitalization fee. This reduce our family burden.

Well, i should thank god as giving hope to my mother. We no need to worry too much for the fee and i able to buy my first car however my family actually need money.

haha.. i am not promoting insurance. But, when u are old, u should at least have some protection as ur medical fee might even more than what u paid for insurance.

Of course, afforable. the subjective  key word.  Yes, u might more likely to lose ur job. But u would not die because of this, you and may be ur family will just need to live harder. But if once u health is serious bad, good bye.

So, take good care of ur heath.
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just wondering how much total those hospitalization fee
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post Apr 11 2008, 03:52 PM

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ever since i got injured my spin, i find insurance damn important. (i havent buy then). now i already buy the insurance but the parts didnt cover sad.gif . i really regreted that i dont buy earlier cry.gif
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QUOTE(jack7155 @ Apr 11 2008, 03:52 PM)
ever since i got injured my spin, i find insurance damn important. (i havent buy then). now i already buy the insurance but the parts didnt cover sad.gif . i really regreted that i dont buy earlier cry.gif
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What do you meant by the "parts" doesn't cover? So if it doesn't "cover" than what's the use even if you got it back then?

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post Apr 11 2008, 08:35 PM

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QUOTE(kockroach @ Apr 11 2008, 02:30 PM)
If my income could not afford medical insurance over 200k, why bother to get one that is below 200k.
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if ur income couldn;t afford a medical insurance over 200K, u should worry about ur income and saving 1st. and u get a below 200K medical insurance bcoz u don hav 200K.
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QUOTE(b00n @ Apr 11 2008, 03:57 PM)
What do you meant by the "parts" doesn't cover? So if it doesn't "cover" than what's the use even if you got it back then?
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i guess what he means is that after something happens to the spine only he get the insurance, of course the insurance company wont cover his spine in case of other prolonged injury from there. Insurance company also wan jaga their rice bowl tongue.gif
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QUOTE(yewkhuay @ Apr 11 2008, 08:35 PM)
if ur income couldn;t afford a medical insurance over 200K, u should worry about ur income and saving 1st. and u get a below 200K medical insurance bcoz u don hav 200K.
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Isn't it better for me to save my 3 - 6 month emergency fund rather than wasting on a 200k medical insurance which doesn't really enough if I need a cancer or whatever treatment.
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QUOTE(hamster9 @ Apr 12 2008, 12:26 AM)
i guess what he means is that after something happens to the spine only he get the insurance, of course the insurance company wont cover his spine in case of other prolonged injury from there. Insurance company also wan jaga their rice bowl  tongue.gif
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Even he bought the insurance before, and manage to claim for the spine medical, after claiming, insurance company might not renew or accept coverage on this part. <-- this is quite common practice for insurance company as they view you are the high risk insurers.
It is not like you want to buy or cover, then insurance company must accept.

It is same with my relatives, the medical insurance company didn't want to accept her anymore (posted previously).

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post Apr 16 2008, 01:43 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 12 2008, 08:53 AM)
Even he bought the insurance before, and manage to claim for the spine medical, after claiming, insurance company might not renew or accept coverage on this part. <-- this is quite common practice for insurance company as they view you are the high risk insurers.
It is not like you want to buy or cover, then insurance company must accept.

It is same with my relatives, the medical insurance company didn't want to accept her anymore (posted previously).
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To avoid interruption of medical coverage due to claims, it's best to get a medical plan with guaranteed renewal clause. I believe this is only offered by the life insurance companies.
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QUOTE(kockroach @ Apr 12 2008, 04:23 AM)
Isn't it better for me to save my 3 - 6 month emergency fund rather than wasting on a 200k medical insurance which doesn't really enough if I need a cancer or whatever treatment.
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saving for emergency fund is a MUST, not to compare with medical insurance . and medical insurance is not only for cancer treatment , any accident will consume ur emergency fund instantly if u don even hav the basic medical coverage.
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QUOTE(yewkhuay @ Apr 16 2008, 09:40 AM)
saving for emergency fund is a MUST, not to compare with medical insurance . and medical insurance is not only for cancer treatment , any accident will consume ur emergency fund instantly if u don even hav the basic medical coverage.
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yewkhuay,

If accident is the HIGHEST risk, won't a PA insurance is a cheaper and better way to cover that? By the way, I do not know the answer.

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Apr 16 2008, 09:50 AM)
yewkhuay,

If accident is the HIGHEST risk, won't a PA insurance is a cheaper and better way to cover that?  By the way, I do not know the answer.

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If I'm not wrong, PA only covers you after you're certified to be disabled and no longer able to earn income.
That's when medical cards comes in action, i.e. during hospitalisation.

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QUOTE(b00n @ Apr 16 2008, 10:10 AM)
If I'm not wrong, PA only covers you after you're certified to be disabled and no longer able to earn income.
That's when medical cards comes in action, i.e. during hospitalisation.
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b00n,

I think that is disability insurance. It is not Personal Accident insurance. Disability insurance is normally attached to a life insurance and not sold separately in Malaysia.

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