MPH bro. Mind I ask this questions, how long you have been in UTAR ?

Let me tell you this fact, based on FES. We DONT ACCEPT new students starting from the 4th week. In fact, students coming in after 3rd-4th weeks are students who have already PAID their fees even before the course started. Hence, this basically means, new students who wish to register in a course should have submitted their stuff and fully paid before 2nd/3rd week. So far, I have yet to encounter one new students joining in after week 2, but I have seen students going out after week 5. You judge.

And do you know the resit/supp paper fees. Basically that 50% of that fees will goes to the lecturer and department of Examination, as they have to remark your paper again and re calculate your CGPA. Another 50% goes to the uni. Hence, if you claim that UTAR makes a lot from students resitting their paper, you might also want to blame the lecturers for setting super tough questions since they can gain some extra allowance by marking those supp/resit paper. But why not putting the blame on the students itself. If they have study harder and pay more attention in class, most probably they will not flunk their main paper. I dont know about other Faculties, but in FES, we have almost the best crop of students due to the strict admission into Science and Engineering course. Yet, the flunking rate is high. That means, is either, the standard set was too high, the students being lazy bump, or the lecturers wants to fail you at all cost.

Your money will go under Kampar development. And under the Benz that used by our president. Juz tat simple.

Simple is a way to generate a cash flow for their usage.

I know, people are telling me, inflation is going up. So, fees muz go up.

I wish to know, did utar incurred such a high fees? Where is our Uncle LIm money goes? Haha. I made my point of view.

But i'm sure alot will defend for UTAR as well. Wish UTAR doing better. Even a governemtn can go under corruption, then how will a UNI not going under corruption. UTAR = non-profit organisation? Yeah, it might happens when they sell of their benz and drive proton saga.

Do more research before you come out with a post like this. Its a simple hierrachy theory here. He is the president, of course he will get the best extra incentive. Its just like how MAS can provide a S class for their CEO, Idris Jala. Same things goes to other ministers, CEOs, GM, and others. Heck even a company like Continenal can provide Nissan Sentra for manager rank officers.

And mind you, our dean only drives a Honda City even he is cashing in about 8k+ per month. Thats is a very low salary compared to most private university dean, which can earn up to 120-180k per year.

Seriouly, I dont know why you can come out with so much conspiracy theory. Haha. I have seen TARC President going in-out of the college in her Benz, but yet I din listen to any complaints from TARC students.

This post has been edited by Akane: Jun 29 2008, 06:40 PM

Again+ always, get attacked again. Haha...

You can get the prove of new student going into UTAR KAMPAR, jzu go to UTAR kampar by coming monday.

I meant STPM students. IF they come in and juz for fail, why utar allow them? Did i say anything that i don't agree wif resit paper fees? I only worry for our STPM students.

I think you might be a good students as well. You will nvr understand the feeling of students who failed in their paper. Did you saw before those students who make 10 times harder than you and still getting fail?

As i mentioned, the last post, there is both good and bad. I juz bring it up for u all as a reference. I have no intention to shoot utar. But i get shoot again. Try to analyse from 9 different viewing angle. Not juz from one. This might broaden your knowledge.

Did i need to tells that where i graduate from and what is my qualification now? Haha.

No offence bro. Juz to share out here.

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Added on June 29, 2008, 6:51 pmAiya, still get attacked.

I actually is under the group who are greatly oppose that CEO should have a greater benefit.
I personally agree that CEO should be the laz who takes benefits while the workers in the moz bottom line of company should get greater benefit.
This is under imbalance system in our country.

You is agree with those system that set-ed in our world.
But i'm the one who disagree with those unbalanced or unequal system.

Hehe. Seems like our profile crash.
Juz continue wif your point, it is valid as well. I always agree with all of the points given.

This post has been edited by mphpopular: Jun 29 2008, 06:53 PM

Yes, perhaps letting us know did u graduate from utar will help.

On a side note, suggesting that the CEO should be the last to benefit is flawed. Our norm, no matter in our country or other country, is that the person on the top of the hierarchy will benefit more than those at the lower end. It also functions as a form of motivation for people to work to the top of a company, rather than stay at the bottom line.

Answer me this : Are you underestimating the STPM students ? Are you thinking all STPMers are laid back kids ? Are STPMers have low mentality ? If so, why did they choose to study form 6 in the first place ? There's always diploma for them to pursue tertiary education if they thought they have no choice, tertiary AND financially.

I am a STPMer of 2005, and I find it insulting, cause it's like asking UTAR for mercy on our exam paper. Exam knows no one, even the markers, as they follow our exam code number to mark according to their marking schemce. I got a D in one of my subject last semester, even if I studied hard during final and resat for it, and still a D. What would I do ? Get on with it, there's no use crying over.

Who doesn't experience this "I study so hard yet I got the result not I expected" before ? Will the markers know you and immediately remark your paper and give you a passed ? Dream on.

If what you said above about STPMers was true then count me out, I am not gonna group with those sissies, I am helping myself in study.

Heck, if you keep on with your "Oh I bet UTAR students will flame me for this" stunts, you are only paint a bigger bulleyes on your back, so don't blame others.

I dont attack you bro. Its jz that we have different POV and its shown that you know least about UTAR over there.
If there is any new intake, I will know it by Monday due to all my kepoh friends. I have jz send UTAR an enquiries about any new intake during 6th week, and now we jz have to wait for a reply.

Like I mention above, in FES, intake of new students ends on week 3. I mentioned FES there, but I did not mention any other faculty. I do know students entering will have problems catching up, but mind you, as STPM students, they should be "more ready" for year 1 as Year 1 basically is a repeat of pre-u days. And, students coming in late are always exempted from submitting assignments on deadline. Heck, one of my class mate enter Year One two weeks later than me. She was allowed to submit her first report (week two) on the last week of the semester. That's a long long duration for her to finish up everything compared to us (1 week time).

Seriously, that is what you receive when you live in a country that practice capitalist. Heck even in communism countries, the upper level people will receive more benefits. Its the same all over the world. People in top rank should receive something better, due to their position and their contribution to the organization. We can say unfair all we can, but I bet you wont see much changes even after you voice it out openly. I respect Lim Guan Eng, for taking econ class instead of business/first class seats when travelling to KL. But heck, IF he become PM, I bet everything will change. You think the gov will allow a PM to take econ class when travelling overseas ? How will other countries see Malaysia then ? A PM that knows how to save $$$ or a country that is broke which cannot afford a business class for the most important person of the country.

Yes. Thats it. If the people in lower hierarchy benefits more, who the hell will work hard, hoping that they gain promotion or raise their status.

This post has been edited by Akane: Jun 29 2008, 08:47 PM

Oddly enough, they called and said they accept me if I'm going to join the May Intake

Mind to tell us the course you are joining ?

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Added on June 30, 2008, 12:43 amI jz call my cousin bro and talk with him. He was rejected by UTAR (they call him yesterday) and they only offer him a place in the Jan 2009 intake. He applied for Mechanical Engineering.

This post has been edited by Akane: Jun 30 2008, 12:43 AM

TS ..
Jz wanna clarify wif u, ater graduating from STPM, n if u choose to study in TARC u dun hv to go thru a 2 yrs diploma .. u will b starting frm the 2nd yr of diploma and continue for ur advanced diploma ..

One good thing about TARC .. if u're pursuing the professional course i.e ACCA, CIMA, ICSA, IT, etc TARC MIGHT be a good choice of college for u ..
This is bcz TARC has a premier plus status whr taking ACCA for example, u dun hv to go to UK jz to take ur ACCA external paper, u can hv it in TARC
That's the benefit TARC offers .. (mayb not all professional courses do)

And as i know, for ACCA thr r 14 papers one hv to take .. and if u're frm TARC for ur diploma n ONLY IF u continue with the advanced diploma, u're at the advantage of getting an exemption of 9 papers whrich not all colleges offer this ..
If u join UTAR, as i heard, u will not gain all these whr u hv to finish the internal paper in UTAR 1st (3 yrs thr) and then only u can pursue the ACCA external UK paper (another 1 yr plus) .. so in total .. u'll b ending up studying for more than 3 yrs ..

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Added on June 30, 2008, 1:02 amOh ya .. another thing ..
TARC is very cheap and it is affordable ..
The fees I heard for the ACCA course, a total of 12k including the external UK paper for 2 yrs ... so what do u think =)
U'll then b ending up getting advanced diploma + ACCA cert
Some might say that advanced diploma cert is not as good as degree .. but come to the conclusion, as a professional, wat u nid is jz the ACCA cert not advanced cert ...
What's the point of having a degree without ACA cert then ...

This post has been edited by hl87: Jun 30 2008, 01:05 AM

I happen to be in the FES faculty office today and saw a parent with a daughter trying to convince the officer to allow her to start this week but the officer explained to them that 5weeks have already passed. So they left with a dissapointed look and the daughter told her dad no choice, wait. Only thing is i didnt ask them what course is she applying for.

I have no choice if you all don't believe me. Hehe.

And i did not underestimete our StPM student. I am worrying for them. As you know, late for school for 4 -5 weeks might effect greatly on their result. You see ah, how can i comment? If i said StpM is better than foundation student, then people said, you now underestimate foundation?

If i said Foundation better, now i underestimate stpM?
As i mentioned earlier, I believe those Stpm student that decided to go in now sure have their confident and so on.

I bring up this issue is not saying Stpm student ability. But is to comment on why Utar still accepting new student.

Juz go over Kampar, you will saw many new students on today.

You didn't see and nvr heard it, it doesn't mean it does not happen.

Chemical Engineering

But I didn't join cause I'm applying for other university and also I got more friends if I'm joining Jan 2009 intake

CGPA: 2.83

Here a new issue again. This is under fact and no offence to you all So as UTAR.

Foundation in Science student. Fail for Foundation Sem 3 management paper. So he couldn't proceed to his Degree.
So he have to wait for 6 month for next intake (January) and take the 6 months time to repeat his management paper.

In the meantime, He also go take the Lan subject during the 6 months. He apply for BM exemption (exempted), then he study for Pengajian Am and Moral.

So, finally after 3 months, He succeded to pass and waited for the January intake.

As usual, he went to his degree first semester class at January intake. He pass over all the required document to Degree office and tell them he has exempted the Bahasa Malaysia.

Problem arise from now :

He now in degree year 1 semester 2. The results cames out and it is printed there he get BAR-ed for BM.
He went to office and check what is happening and showing them with all the proof, include bills that BM exempted. And show them the foundation cert wehreby clearly printed (black and white). He has finish the foundation study with BM, Pengajian Malaysia, Moral all pass.

Firstly, GO officer, ask him to write a letter to Dean. He wrote it and explain all wif all the evidence provided. After 2 weeks of processing. Office reply is your appeal is unable to go thru. You need to pay RM 100 for resit your BM due to you get BAR-ed already. Then pay RM 100 more for exemption again. And also need to pay RM 100 for applying exemption for your Pengajian Malaysia and Moral.

So this is the question. He has sit for all the paper and pay for all. Now he required to pay again? The most worst scenario is GO ask you to pay 100 to resit your BM and pay one more 100 for exemption. And the another 2 subject also need to pay 100.
So, what's the problem here? He has the foundation cert, student bills which show he has pay for all the 3 LAN subject. And also the result that prove that he pass for alll the LAN subject.

I did not really want to bring this up as this is only a minor case. But i juz unable to stand around when all people thinking i was talking for fun.

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Added on June 30, 2008, 5:10 pmHere's the prove. Did i lying to you guys? I am juz giving some of my opinion to let you know what is happening over UTAR. If you want, You really can go over Kampar and check it now. In my list, There is at least more than 20 STPM students started their first day by today.

Prediction:
Kena shoot again and i sure is the one who wrong again. Haha. Waiting for people who can give me a hand.

This post has been edited by mphpopular: Jun 30 2008, 05:10 PM

I supposed Chemical Engineering is a July course ? No ? I remembered the first batch started in July 2006.

If he is exempted from BM, there should be a letter of exemption for him. Its a normal procedure. If what you mention is true, all he need is to show the letter to UTAR or bring the case to MQA. The bill is a less solid prove compared to the exemption letter (I kept it till today).

I dont believe that he will pay again if there is a misunderstanding. Unless he lost the letter of exemption, I dont believe a person will swallow such a misunderstanding. And your scenario is less convincing to me as I know UTAR management keep a transcript of Foundation Result. Even my KTAR Pre-U Transcript is with them and I am jz holding a carbon copy.

If everything is true, then your friend should not obey to the office instructions. All he need is to show whatever prove he have to MQA and let them settle it on behalf of him. If he pay again, or re-do those subjects, all I can say he is stupid for not putting a stance against the office.

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Added on June 30, 2008, 7:25 pmAnd yeah, I tot a C from SPM is sufficient to be exempted for BM ?

This post has been edited by Akane: Jun 30 2008, 07:25 PM

Haha. Its real case. The GO already sent him the bill to resit BM....

It is a big misunderstood. But the officer didn't want to do anything and insist this is the only way.

I always believe there is good officer in UTAR. I meet some before. But some there did not want to do anything.

If i was not mistaken, every department having their own management and not related to each other

That student claim that when he show the letter of appeal to the GO to pass to DEan.

THe GO officer ask him to change the following sentence.

" I have shown my foundation certification, student bills, and exemption slip to UTAR PD office during My degree Year 1 Sem 1"

The officer told him that, if you wrote like this, you are putting the blame on PD G.O. Officer request him to change it to Foundation Department did not inform them about my qualification.

The officer is trying to put away the responsibility to Foundation office. So, i believe the management for each department is completely different.

He nvr tried to solve problem, but only tried to send out the problem to others department.

Note: I will try to get to the student again and ask him to send me the officer name.

This post has been edited by mphpopular: Jun 30 2008, 08:05 PM

If thats the case, get me the officer's name. I can help you to file a on complaint on him (my aunt is a high rank officer in UTAR). And, ask your friend to seek help from lecturers or SR. That would help better. Its unfair for him to pay for something like this.

lol, can you imagine a president of a university driving a proton wira to meet other deans / presidents from other universities who drive mercs??

IMO, it's almost something impossible to get into the university at week 4. I remember asking this question and the officer replied me that they hardly accept students after week 2..

Question~
Is mphpopular a utar students?
If yes, why he keep bashing his own uni?
If no, what benefits he gain from bashing utar?

besides the management, I think mphpopular has to put the blame on govt 's stupid regulations on private institutions to study these redundant LAN(MQA now) subjects that have already been learnt and relearnt in secondary schools.

This post has been edited by abc2005: Jul 5 2008, 01:14 PM