so safe to say local car wira,waja.gen2 fit with HID easily to kena than those CBU's like Harrier, MR2, STi, Mazda 6 etc? put those HID in cbu cars (factory not HID) nicely with some japanese/korean wording at the ballast and say to them, mine fitted with stock HID maa. what can i do.

like in this case, putting 4300k HID in new 1.8 Civic

This post has been edited by eddyann: Apr 14 2008, 09:13 AM

to enforce non HID is hard i believe. just like in this case

1. local honda stream no HID
2. CBU honda stream with HID

the local and cbu version there's no difference at the reflector/reflector shield itself. therefore if local one put the aftermarket HID. the beam will be the same with the CBU one.

also with the 1.8 and 2.0 civic. unless there's a auto levelling mechanism on the HID system, then the aftermarket will have the more or less the same beam quality.

and not to mention toyota wish HID (sorry to wish user) is much more glaring than my projector + aftermarket HID.so the issue here is not the HID system. it should be how well and how glare the HID should be.

the one that have the reflector shield should be safe from glaring. ever notice the honda city, vios, kelisa reflector headlamp? those without any shield.

the reflector one before the facelift. well this is my personal comparison with my DIY retrofit + projector lamps. i heard that during roadblock those kena tahan due to HID, they will pop up the hood looking for the ballast. if can hid those ballast and re wiring the wire to look as stock as possible then can say, mine original HID maaa

This post has been edited by eddyann: Nov 12 2008, 12:33 PM

aiyo friend. i think ur wish is non HID headlamp right? by looking at your LOW beam section there's no any single reflector shield to decrease the glare. i bet your HID headlight really glaring without those shield.



This post has been edited by eddyann: Nov 14 2008, 09:29 AM

accesory shop or even in lelong.com.my? those are yellowish white with color temp 4300k. pure yellow is 3800k and it really looks yellow like yellow spotlight.

This post has been edited by eddyann: Nov 14 2008, 03:57 PM

Stream JDM version got HID the 1st and 2nd one. if issue a summon i will slapped the JPJ officer's face and ask him to see, there's my original HID headlamp with its japanese warning high voltage level

3000k HID color temp got. and its real yellow one.

if u have the slim type ballast it would be better. in my case i hide the ballast far away from the headlamp (actually inside the chasis hollow frame) leaving only 2 wire only to the HID.so kinda impposible to find unless u take out the front bumper, rail support, front grill and beam support. looks totally stocks with neat wiring.

This post has been edited by eddyann: Dec 4 2008, 10:52 AM

recent email reply from JPJ that i emailed to them recently. means retrofit can use as long as we get it checked for its brightness, beam and color?

Tuan,

Pihak JPJ tidak mengharamkan pemasangan HID secara retrofit sebaliknya
meletakkan syarat-syarat sekiranya pemasangan HID secara retrofit hendak
dilakukan.

Tuan seharusnya mendapat penjelasan yang sebenar dan selengkapnya sebelum
menuding jari ke arah JPJ.

Spesifikasi-spesikasi teknikal seperti yang dinyatakan oleh tuan termasuklah
color temperature, correcting leveling dan sebagainya telahpun diwartakan
oleh pihak JPJ di bawah Kaedah 96, Kaedah-kaedah Kenderaan Motor (Pembinaan
& Penggunaan) 1959 pada 19 November 2007.

Pihak JPJ membenarkan pemasangan HID secara retrofit sekiranya pemasangan
HID tersebut mendapat akreditasi daripada badan-badan kompeten yang
diiktiraf oleh United Nation (UN) mengikut peruntukan peraturan-peraturan
United Nation Economic Commission For Europe (UNECE). Sebagai contohnya,
pemasangan secara HID retrofit yang mendapat akreditasi daripada SIRIM
(witness test) , TUV, IDIADA dan sebagainya mengikut peruntukan-peruntukkan
yang telah diwartakan.

Bagi tujuan sistem perlaksanaan penguatkuasaan, apabila kelulusan telah
diberikan oleh badan-badan kompeten, laporan pemeriksaan (test report) yang
dikeluarkan oleh badan-badan kompeten itu tadi hendaklah dikemukakan kepada
pihak JPJ bagi tujuan pengeluaran surat kelulusan.

Sekian, Terima Kasih.

Bahagian Kejuruteraan Automotif
Ibu Pejabat JPJ

it means that we can use retrofit HID, but must be sure to get the approval from JPJ after our HID has been tested by sirim or might be puspakom. once the report out, it will determine whether our HID beam is safe to use or not. on that UN part, i think sirim will follow the ECE or UN bla bla bla international standards.

tomorrow i will email them back for further clarification. i think they also blur with this retrofitting...

at first i emailed them how to deal with retrofit HID which has a better or not glaring beam compare to stock HID (like in my case).i emailed them my projector retrofit HID beam is better than my 2nd car fitted with standard factory HID (reflector type)

This post has been edited by eddyann: Jan 8 2009, 09:39 PM

like this

your HID headlamp is not PHAILED!!





yes!! my hid test report passed!!!




by the way, i awaiting for their next reply..stay tuneee!

This post has been edited by eddyann: Jan 8 2009, 11:12 PM

police must and should comply, afterall the regulation falls under JPJ category not the police

---

Added on January 9, 2009, 12:19 ami think we can do some basic test. our own test. read abit the UNECE 48/98/99 standards. the HH and VV test board at 25m. draw all the tracing HH, VV lines, angle2 etc. throw the HID beam to that board and DIY adjustment done there until satisfied.



This post has been edited by eddyann: Jan 9 2009, 12:19 AM

latest from this morning.

Tuan,

Pertama-tama sekali saya ingin mengucapkan jutaan Terima Kasih atas isu yang dibangkitkan.
2 . Antara kesimpulan yang dapat saya simpulkan terhadap perundangan sedia ada (9/1/09) berkenaan pemasangan HID ialah seperti berikut :
a. Semua pemasangan lampu HID dibenarkan sekiranya mematuhi UNECE R48, R98,R99. (Termasuk pemasangan asal daripada pengilang) . Bagi kes ini, kelulusan awal daripada pihak JPJ adalah diperlukan . Contoh : Sijil Kelulusan Jenis Kenderaan yang dikeluarkan oleh pihak JPJ
b. Bagi pemasangan secara aksesori (bukan “original spec” daripada pengilang) , pemasangan hendaklah mendapat pengiktirafan daripada badan-badan kompeten (mengikut peraturan UNECE) yang memberi pengiktirafan berdasarkan peraturan-peraturan UNECE yang telah dinyatakan di dalam perkara (1). Kelulusan daripada JPJ adalah diperlukan bagi kes ini.
c. Sekiranya terdapat keraguan daripada pihak berkuasa, bukti “original spec dan telah mendapat kelulusan daripada pihak JPJ” hendaklah dinyatakan kepada pihak berkuasa. Contoh : surat deklarasi daripada pengilang asal kenderaan berkenaan pemasangan lampu HID yang telah mendapat kelulusan daripada pihak JPJ.
d. “Maximum Colour Temperature” yang dibenarkan ialah berdasarkan pernyataan yang termaktub di dalam peraturan-peraturan UNECE (mungkin berubah dari semasa ke semasa). Sila rujuk peraturan UNECE 99. Setakat (9/1/09) , pihak JPJ menetapkan nilai maksimanya ialah 5000K.
e. Rated Wattage : 35W adalah diterima pakai tertakluk kepada penetapan dibawah peraturan-peraturan UNECE.
f. Warna yang putih dibenarkan adalah : (Berdasarkan CIE Chromatic Coordinates : Tertakluk kepada peraturan-peraturan UNECE)

Towards blue y ≥ 0.310
Towards yellow x ≤ 0.500
Towards green y ≤ 0.150 + 0.640 x
Towards green y ≤ 0.440
Towards purple y ≥ 0.050 + 0.750 x
Towards red y ≥ 0.382

3. Selain itu, saya bersetuju dengan pendapat tuan yang menyatakan “projector type headlamp” adalah lebih baik berbanding “reflector type headlamp”dari segi “beam pattern”. Walaubagaimanapun, prosedur permohonan pemasangan aksesori yang telah ditetapkan oleh pihak berkuasa hendaklah dipatuhi sepenuhnya.

4. Untuk makluman, pihak JPJ tidak menghalang sebarang pemasangan aksesori terhadap kenderaan sekiranya semua peraturan dan prosedur-prosedur yang telah ditetapkan oleh JPJ dipatuhi sepenuhnya oleh pengguna.

5. Sekiranya tuan betul-betul berminat untuk memasang lampu HID secara retrofit , prosedur berikut hendaklah dipatuhi :

a. Mendapatkan surat pengiktirafan berkenaan pematuhan peraturan UNECE 48,98,99 terhadap pemasangan lampu HID tersebut daripada badan-badan kompeten seterusnya ;
b. Mendapatkan surat kelulusan daripada Bahagian Kejuruteraan Automotif, JPJ

6. Saya mengalu-alukan sebarang pertanyaan berkenaan isu-isu teknikal kenderaan (berkaitan perundangan) daripada tuan. Selain itu, saya amat menghargai atas segala pendapat dan perkongsian pengalaman yang ditonjolkan oleh pihak tuan.

Sekian, Terima Kasih.


Bahagian Kejuruteraan Automotif

Ibu Pejabat JPJ

This post has been edited by eddyann: Jan 9 2009, 12:13 PM

wait for their reply, i already asking them on this...stay tune can't wait to test my HID also..

This post has been edited by eddyann: Jan 9 2009, 12:33 PM

putrajaya got office building only. i dont think there's a test warehouse there. we can go together, my place is same with you, high possibility you saw my car. the one and only in BP for that model AFAIK

This post has been edited by eddyann: Jan 9 2009, 12:37 PM

latest reply. They have yet to come any complete certified testhouse...

Di Malaysia, SIRIM adalah satu badan yang berkelayakan untuk memberikan pengiktirafan pematuhan piawaian UNECE 48,99,99 secara “witness test” .

Untuk makluman, makmal pengujian di SIRIM masih belum siap sepenuhnya. Walaubagaimanapun , sekiranya pihak tuan dapat menjalankan ujian seperti kehendak peraturan-peraturan UNECE di makmal-makmal bebas seperti menjalankan ujian di makmal Malaysia Automotive Lighting Sdn. Bhd. (ALMA), Penang dan disaksikan oleh wakil dari SIRIM, sijil perakuan tersebut adalah diterima pakai.

Sekian, Terima Kasih.

This post has been edited by eddyann: Jan 13 2009, 10:50 AM

to make things worse, u phailed the test after paying huge sum of money to test it what a waste

it means that, we can test it in Penang since Sirim have yet to complete their test rig. or any certified test house that able to perform HID test in accordance to ECE 48 98 99 witnessed by SIRIM will do.