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SKY 1809
post Jun 20 2008, 09:33 AM

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Resort has a 61sen cash per share. Looks good to accumulate if price goes down further ( RM 2.70 )

However, it is my opinion that the parent co, Genting is too engrossed with Casino businesses, in a way neglecting good companies such as Resort and Asiatic.

Both are deemed as back ups for Genting ( with cash piles ) , then considering the potentials to grow.

It is my personal view, might be wrong also.

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post Oct 18 2008, 06:49 PM

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QUOTE(rayloo @ Oct 18 2008, 06:43 PM)
I browsed the Sentosa Resort World website and found this.
Resort World At Sentosa Singapore
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The Resort World in Singapore belongs to Genting Int which is also based in Singapore. Major shareholder of Genting International is our local Genting Bhd

Resort World Bhd could be appointed as Manager/contractor to build and run the Resort Hotels in Singapore. Apart from that, they do not have any equity link.

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post Oct 18 2008, 07:01 PM

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QUOTE(AdamG1981 @ Oct 18 2008, 06:56 PM)
Well in the current environment, if profitability for Resorts does decline rapidly, would it lead to borrowings?
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If they drains out the cash pile, then yes.

But Casino is doing better in bad times, so people need a small place to stay. After all , it is a small cost compared to the fund needed for speculation in Casino.

They are in Cash Business, meaning bad debts are not likely.

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post Oct 18 2008, 08:11 PM

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QUOTE(wirelessdude @ Oct 18 2008, 07:41 PM)
Resorts is sitting on a pile of cash so it's unlikely they will borrow money soon. Infact, they could be looking at acquisitions during this downturn.

No offense AdamG1981 but I really hope you verify the facts first before coming out with statements like that, that scare people. wink.gif

It wasn't too long ago that you warned about triple witching only to realize later that we're in Oct and not Sep.
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That is where money could be made. When there is hope, then again money to be made. he sees the future where we do not.

Correct me if I am wrong.
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post Nov 26 2008, 08:31 PM

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QUOTE(rayloo @ Nov 26 2008, 08:07 PM)
Resorts 3rd quarter earning drop !!
3rd Quarter Report
RESORTS WORLD PROPOSED ACQUISITIONS BROMET LIMITED AND DIGITAL TREE (USA), INC. FOR A TOTAL CASH CONSIDERATION OF UNITED STATES DOLLAR 69.0 MILLION  ?
Proposed Aquisition

Think tomorrow will be price decline.  blink.gif
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Resort operating profit is actually up by 19% , but last year there was a profit from disposal of Star Cruise , so on the whole , this year was lower.


On the bright side, perhaps Resort would lose a lot if they disposed Star Cruise this year, and not last year.

It should be better off in the long run.

Correct me if I am wrong.

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post Dec 1 2008, 01:15 PM

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Resort is trading at PE FY 09 8.3X , below 11x during the SARS in year 2003.

The burden of Star Cruise is also taken care of.

RNAV at RM 3.55. Cash in hand RM 5 billions.

Con : buying related party assets at premium prices , buy Genting Int shares in future ? is it just the beginning or an end hmm.gif

Now selling at discounts. hmm.gif cool2.gif

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post Dec 1 2008, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(mo_meng @ Dec 1 2008, 01:35 PM)
recommendation to buy?
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More for loooooong term drool.gif

Final decision : Judge your own at your own comfort.

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post Dec 1 2008, 01:48 PM

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QUOTE(mo_meng @ Dec 1 2008, 01:43 PM)
yup .. this kind of counter which has strong $$$$$ should keep for longer term .. but my target is 2.25 .. cannot get sad.gif


Added on December 1, 2008, 1:44 pmokay .. buy at my own risk hehe
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RM 2.25 is just 40sen below the recommended price hehehe.

Congratulation to you if you get rm 2.25 and below : No harm trying. rclxms.gif

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post Dec 2 2008, 09:51 PM

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The sell downs by FF could reward the small investors in the long run.

It is the retailers who help the CEO to support the prices at current levels.

I believe Junior Lim would reward the retailers more.

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post Apr 8 2009, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(kmarc @ Apr 8 2009, 11:56 AM)
I feel like unloading mine too but after seeing what happened to GENTING, decided to hold on...... difficult... difficult....  sad.gif

Always tell myself that RESORT is NOT for goreng....  whistling.gif
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That sounds interesting.

So long you do not hold shares for long term by accident.

I think it is quite safe. Worry more on those you have accidentally purchased.



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QUOTE(mememe12 @ Apr 24 2009, 02:33 AM)
at first thinking of letting it go at 2.45.. but now must rethink d tongue.gif lol..
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Hi Brother,

Think long term.

Resort never fails people who think long term. thumbup.gif

This one would pass the long term stress test.

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post Jul 2 2010, 05:18 PM

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I think it is either a Co Act or SC rule or Bursa req, on RPT.

RPT parties cannot vote.

Very popular many years back, or could be amended ?

Usually they have enough proxies to vote them through one.

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post Jul 2 2010, 08:08 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 2 2010, 05:49 PM)
I just updated on this issue.

Related major shareholders or directors must not vote in the RRPT (recurrrent related party transaction), according to Bursa listing requirement under paragraph 10.09(1).

But this is on RRPT on business business operation side issue.

I don't know exactly it is applicable in the GenM issue, as it is a non-recurrent event.
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Bursa wanted to amend or toughen this rule for many times soon after the first Genting's RPT issue, somehow lacking of political will. rclxub.gif

There was a massive FF pull out of Genting at that moment.

I think this could be the third or fourth Genting RPT, and yet Bursa is more silence than before.

Probably they themselves feel guilty of not doing anything. shakehead.gif




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post Jul 3 2010, 10:17 AM

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I think they are killing two birds with one stone.

GenM share price to fall further, making it more ideal for them to take it to private.

And they would say in response to unhappiness of small fish, they decide to take GenM into private, and they think the current share buy back ( in exchange for Genting share ) would be Fair to all, bla , bla ..

And finally Holding Genting mother share ( instead of GenM ) should be a long term consideration for all.

Put a note here just in case it happens in the near future.

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post Jul 3 2010, 05:52 PM

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QUOTE(the snowball @ Jul 3 2010, 01:32 PM)
Ruztynail, I have attributed GEN UK failure in my previous post as a bad call and bad luck . Yes, there are smoking ban and all that. But, the reason they buy big into UK is that they anticipate the legislation changes in UK to allow vegas style super-casino. Have they done enough analysis to determine the probability that UK legislation won't go through? Or they are too eager to expand quickly? They should have take into account the gaming taxes when going into the country. Taxes is one of the key component that will make or break an acquisition, I am sure they have price in into the acquisition price. The management can always blame other issues when an acquisition do not perform well. If not, what they can do?Admit they are wrong? That's why I hate acquisition, it is more likely to fail than succeed regardless of whether it is related party or not.

I am not saying that GENM management is sitting back. I am saying that they have no clue how to turn this mess around but still try to assure to the shareholders that they have the ability and experience to turn it around. The fact is that the only experience they have is running a monopoly in Asia but this casino is in Europe. Genting itself have no good record when doing overseas mega acquisition. So, that's make the minority investors unhappy. Because, if you have no ability to find good projects, you may as well return the cash to the shareholders not embarking on empire building and cash hoarding. The fact that I don't run a big company or don't deal with them personally does not mean that I cannot criticize them. It is like saying I can't criticize Najib because I don't work with him and I have not been a PM. I can look at the management track record to determine whether this LKT and the gang are good manager.

The key contention here is GENM treatment of its shareholders. GENM is not a division that the the Genting group have 100% ownership, so, when the management make decision on GENM, they have to consider the interest of GENM, not the interest of a group. In this case, it is clearly a decision make in the interest of a group. Obviously, Genting Group benefit from this deal, but, the minority shareholders in GENM suffers. The management promises acquisition to expand it reach, so, the some investors buy into the management talk. But, now, they turn around and buy GEN UK. It is not the type of acquisition that the minority shareholders expected.

What I hope now is that GENM sell some of its GENUK stake to some private equity, like what they have done for NCL. Let those private equity guys turn this mess around, because the GENM management have no clue how to deal with this mess.


Added on July 3, 2010, 4:09 pm

Both suggestion are good. But too bad that Genting or GENM don't have enough resources to buy over GENS. It is too expensive for them. Plus the current structure allows these subsidiaries to be properly valued and more importantly, for Lim Family to control these businesses without putting in too much cash.
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BTW: Have you noticed that almost all the big deals were done with one person from HongKong, since Star Cruise purchase . biggrin.gif



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post Jul 4 2010, 09:42 PM

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Not sure whether GenM share price has been fully factored in or not, with current RPT.

But I do know one analyst has cut the Fair Value of GenM from about rm 8 to as low as rm 4. I believe some analysts think at current price of GenM is fully valued.

Note: Fair Value is just a pure guideline. But something to guide is better than none if you are a value investor.

If you are a value investor, you may want to give some further discounts to future RPTs ( probably ) , then you may have concluded GenM is in fact not very undervalued as before. And the risk is getting higher.

Just my view.

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