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 Rich Dad Poor Dad- Robert_Kiyosaki

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happy4ever
post Mar 29 2008, 06:22 PM

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Robert Kiyosaki is a cheater.

He was never bankrupt, and there was never any "rich dad" in his neighbourhood.

He got rich when his little fantasy book called "rich dad" was endorsed by Amway boss, and hoodwinked more people into joining Amway hoping to be financially independent.

RichDad's concepts aren't new. But it was written in an amusing/story-telling way that grabs the readers' attention.


Added on March 29, 2008, 6:24 pmAnd by the way, this book is so outdated. It has been flooding the market for 3 years or more. Now only you promote this?LOL

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post Mar 29 2008, 11:22 PM

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QUOTE(bafukie @ Mar 29 2008, 09:53 PM)
u have anything factual to back ur statement? im curious to know smile.gif
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http://www.johntreed.com/Kiyosaki.html

Rich dad is a fictional character actually. Google around.

And Robert's contents of RichDadPoorDad are mainly common sense written in a simplistic manner that appeals to the public. I had my fun of reading a couple of his book and his cassette tape talks for Amway (yes...Mr Kiyosaki supports MLM and Amway all the way.) Amway people can tell you that for sure! (as well as Network 21)

HAve a look here: http://www.netminers.com/ as an example.
Kiyosaki's concept of financial freedom is a "new" marketing ploy by MLMs to draw in more members, selling on the notion of being rich, glamorous, freedom, dreams, etc etc.

The book Rich Dad paved way for MLMers to preach on the importance of being rich without working hard (i.e. residual income) and the 4 quadrants to make you aware of your shortfalls in being in the income earner group. And Amway was gleeful to use this for their business.

QUOTE(SImPle PLan @ Mar 29 2008, 10:10 PM)
When a person is famous, he is due to lots of criticism and flame.
One thing i noticed is tat he is well knowledged of the financial world.
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Don't take his books as the gospel truth. Its based on half facts, half fiction, not entirely in true life.
Fictional writings under non-fiction genre sells more than a novel. wink.gif
All you have to do is to have a flare in writing, then do your own research and put your data using your own words.
Viola....you are now a guru!
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post Mar 29 2008, 11:24 PM

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In fact, Mr Kiyosaki says being in Amway (and Network 21) helps you achieve your goals of being financially free easier, become a business owner, bla bla bla bla. That dirt got paid by the millions for saying that!

Now i'm reeking of jealousy, coz i cant write as well as that fat-bloke of lard.
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post Mar 29 2008, 11:33 PM

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QUOTE(kuntaker @ Mar 29 2008, 11:26 PM)
Amway?
such  a successful 1?
well not much MLM can survive..
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Robert Kiyosaki says with Network21, "Engkau Boleh"!!!

1) Buy Rich dad poor dad
2) Join Amway
3) Become business owner
4) Become rich. laugh.gif
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post Mar 30 2008, 07:37 AM

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QUOTE(kuntaker @ Mar 30 2008, 01:22 AM)
haha..
but then is not that easy lo.
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From the way Kiyosaki brought it up, its THAT easy laugh.gif

Yes...you'll know how crap his books are when you take it in face value.
What you read from his books are commonly told by parents of all ages. Nothing new, just rewording and some fictional characters to make it an interesting read.

It's all common sense.
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post Mar 30 2008, 08:58 AM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Mar 30 2008, 07:56 AM)
happy4ever,

Aha!!  How many people that you know has COMMON SENSE??  As far as I can tell, it is VERY RARE.

For example,

How many people buy stock without figuring out how they plan to make money out of that stock??

    i) Are they going to sell it aka a trade?

    ii) Are they going to keep it and collect dividend??

    iii) How much are they willing to lose?

    iv) At what price will they sell?

So, tell me how many people that you know answer question (i) to (iv) before they buy a stock?

How many people that you know believe the house they lived in is an asset?

"Common sense is highly uncommon."

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If one is familiar in the stock market, he would know what suits him.

Common sense does not equate to actual implementation of what is being aware of.

Everyone knows that becoming an entrepreneur will make one richer than any one under employment. But only a handful make the cut being an entrepreneur. Hence the majority remain under employment.

And having common sense also doesn't mean knowing the technical details of it. Neither did the book tells you how, it just tells you what, in which is already known.


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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Mar 30 2008, 09:17 AM)
happy4ever,

<<If one is familiar in the stock market, he would know what suits him. >>

Only if the person has the COMMON SENSE of getting familiar with stock market before buying stock.  IMHO, this is PRETTY RARE.  I didn't do that either.  I had NO COMMON SENSE.

You are referring to the technicalities of the stock market, not common sense.
And this isn't about stocks, its about the book rich dad poor dad, and the importance of leveraging one's money.
Nothing in detail about stocks.

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<<And having common sense also doesn't mean knowing the technical details of it. >>

My question which you HAD NOT answer is how many people that you know has COMMON SENSE.  In my experience, most people has NO COMMON SENSE.

You asked about common sense in stocks and property owner ship, which is irrelevant.

Is RichDadPoorDad all about stock market?
Have you actually read the book?

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<< which is already known.>>

Who say so?? Not in my experience.  And, from answering and reading MANY MANY posts in this forum, you would have come to the same conclusion.  Most people has NO COMMON SENSE.

For example, there is COMMON SENSE on you make money when you buy investment.  Aka, do not buy investment that does not make money for you.  Yes, it is COMMON SENSE.  But, it took me 10 to 15 years and after reading RDPD, I finally got IT.

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It is, in my experience.

A lot of people I know, knew of the importance of gaining wealth NOT through employment, using their money for investments, differentiation of liabilities and assets, etc etc.

Also, my experience is not from people in this forum. I have real live hooman friends, you know.


Added on March 30, 2008, 9:59 am
QUOTE(outsider @ Mar 30 2008, 09:26 AM)
me too..... i also want to find the truth
anyway...... robert is rich and his idea quite good for us noobie in investment
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Already answered.

And there is no technical details on how you'd invest via Kiyosaki's book.

If you want to invest in property, read books on property investment. Likewise for stock markets.
Robert's book is a general book, giving awareness of the importance of investment.

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Mar 30 2008, 10:18 AM)
happy4ever,

<<And there is no technical details on how you'd invest via Kiyosaki's book.>>

That is CORRECT.  Only detail to evaluate investment.

<<If you want to invest in property, read books on property investment. Likewise for stock markets.
Robert's book is a general book, giving awareness of the importance of investment.>>

But, why would a GENERAL book in investment be less useful that a BOOK on property investment and so on?

There are GENERAL steps that you must follows for ANY KIND of investment.  And, if you KNOW that, you can evaluate ANY investment.

IMHO, a book that teaches me how to EVALUATE ANY KIND of investment is VALUABLE.  BTW, I had READ at least 50+ to 100 books on investment across 10 to 15 years.  After that, I still learn something from RDPD series of book.  I read 7 books in RDPD series.

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Because a general book in investment doesn't tell you much compared to books on LOCAL property investment.
ADD: Another question for you, why would anyone looking for investment into properties be reading books on general investment for newbies?

Robert's book isn't any grander or offered any newer concept than what other books had. Its only the way he writes it, intertwine fiction and non-fiction together, then market it. Frankly, its actually an effort by Amway to draw in more members into MLM, promising the goals which RichDad book promotes (i.e. be a business owner, residual income, financial freedom, etc).

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post Mar 31 2008, 09:34 AM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Mar 30 2008, 08:47 PM)
happy4ever,

<<Another question for you, why would anyone looking for investment into properties be reading books on general investment for newbies?>>

1) You are assuming that this is a book on general investment for newbies.  That is your level of understanding.

<<Robert's book isn't any grander or offered any newer concept than what other books had.>>

2) There is a NEW concept here where he insist you MUST evaluate investment based on cash flow.  This contradicts almost most investment books.

<<Frankly, its actually an effort by Amway to draw in more members into MLM, promising the goals which RichDad book promotes (i.e. be a business owner, residual income, financial freedom, etc).>>

3) So what?? Just because Amway use his book as marketing tools does not mean there are not useful stuff in his books.

There is SOMETHING new in his series of books.  If you contrast and compare between his set of system to evaluate investment versus others, his system is focused on cash flow.  Others are based on capital gains.  A cash flow based investment makes money without selling the investment aka "make money when you buy".  A capital gain based investment only makes money when you sales aka "buy and pray".

So, a very basic theme which many people missed, why not buy investment that give you both??  You have a choice.  You can buy investment that pays you 7% to 8% every year.  With that, you do not have to sell make money.  It is an asset in cash flow basis.  It gives you money.  You can afford to wait until the capital gain is great enough before you sell or you never sell.

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1) I'm Talking about RichDadPoorDad. Which is a general book for newbies. Can you tell me which part of it deals specifically in stock market and property investments (especially in Malaysia)?

2) You are again talking about stock market here.

3) So it means that he wasn't even rich prior to his book! Which also means that he was writing about how to get rich without even being rich in the first place!

4) We are talking about Rich Dad Poor Dad, not other series of his books, which were mainly written by other authors in specific specialization under affiliation of Rich Dad label. So Robert's making money from other people's expertise and effort.

QUOTE(kenji1903 @ Mar 31 2008, 12:30 AM)
it is already mentioned from the beginning of all his books that his books are not how-to book and if the reader thinks it is, he should not waste his/her time and just stop reading... are you one of them?

i don't know what you understand of his books but from my understanding, he has an amazing concept on how to value investment based on cashflow... something similar to Warren Buffett, just different application...

his books are enjoyable to read and simple to understand! a bit oversimplified but its his concept that's important...
if one can change his/her mindset, it doesn't matter where and what he/she invests in, he/she will succeed

i like also his concept on moving from employee/self-employed to business owner/investor... business owner/investor does not necessarily mean you have to do MLM... you can find anything that you like doing, and other people can at the same time benefit from it, creating jobs, etc, i think its a noble thing... MLM is just part of it and i know a lot of malaysian MLM companies use his ideology to promote their company, so what? does that mean his idea is wrong? i don't think so... smile.gif
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The problem is, he got rich not from his investments in businesses/stocks/real estate or guidance from "Rich Dad".
He got rich telling people how to get rich, get it?

QUOTE(small-jeff @ Mar 31 2008, 12:31 AM)
Just a more general conclusion. Smart people makes money of out stupid poeple (either through their effort or money). Stupid people will remain economically marginalized (not going anywhere; poor). The easiet money are stupid people's money.
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Not only poor, but lazy people as well.

Either you DIY, or you hire people to do for you. In a way, everyone's a stupid and lazy fellow. rclxms.gif



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