Nope but heard my RL complaining about scouts like ZA as part of the trash mob when they went in yesterday. Well, they meaning his other guild where they raid earlier and are more hardcore.

Check wowjutsu.com, can see Kalecgos, Brutulus and Felmyst down already. Not the others.

MT is very pretty.

Postgrade student. Marketing I think. He's just hardcore. In the hardcore raiding guild, he's a healer. In ours, he's the RL.

Grats to all who managed it! Woot!

I took another look at the guild note after mainFrame mention about it. Hmm...the rant doesn't look original and I'm pretty sure that I read it majority of the bits and pieces somewhere.

If he's that unhappy with the game, just quit and never look back. As a front page news, it's also ironic that at the end, he put up a recruitment message as well. Aiyo!

Hello there and welcome to WoW LYN Forums. I see that I seem to have stirred up the hornets' nest even though it was only one post.



Hmm... how big this dissastisfaction of WoW becoming casual is debatable. For one thing, we don't know the scale of it because Blizz doesn't put up the numbers. We assume that it must be big from reading blogs and forums posts. Bear in mind though that these posts are coming from individuals who are capable of playing their classes better than a "casual" player. But what is to say that the casual player is equally and if not more so skilled than a hardcore raider? Hardcore raiders still die on trash mobs - from a raider who admitted that his guild is casual and they have managed to see a few wings of Naxx before TBC hit.

It could be that the departing players from WoW has quite a significant impact to the WoW game than ever before. Or even Naxx when it launch and only a handful (compared to the overall WoW population) of players saw it and an even smaller number of guilds completed it. Yes, they had the glory of being one of the few guilds actually finishing Naxx. Blizz applauded them for their capabilities but Blizz also mentioned that Naxx is hard on guilds. And their actions by making Naxx available again, doesn't that hint that Blizz felt that it may have been too hard for the general population? Tigole himself had posted prior to accepting the job at Blizz that he wanted to make a chance that raid bosses shouldn't be too hard or too difficult.

As for Risen being your inspiration, yes, it is natural to draw references from your inspiration. It's also natural for some people to take a differring opinion. TBH, I didn't feel like saying much other than a few lines and probably would have just let it die down. But since you posted a reply, it tempted me too much to sit down quietly.

Casual having more access to epics doesn't necessarily make them a better player. In fact, if they cannot play well, they are ridiculed and ostracized even more by the WoW server community (I'll use the server community to narrow down the scope a bit). Expectations are very high when one carries epics. Even raiders in progressive guilds who can't play their classes well in PUG runs are ridiculed badly and probably more so because expectations are higher. Being in a progressive guild, even on PUG runs, they are expected to outperform others.



When I made the comment about to quit the game if you're unhappy about it, I was being honest. Because nothing burns a person out faster than no longer enjoying something that he does, even if it means leaving people behind to trudge on. I would rather have my leader leave than to have him dispirited and disheartened ands stress out by thinking that he alone has to shoulder the burden of carrying people through an activity that he no longer believes in. I will miss his guidance and leadership yes, but I would want him to at least have some self-confidence left rather than an abrupt departure.

It's also a comment that I make fairly often even in these forums. Truth hurts yes but it's even more disruptive when people stay to play the game and feel that they must voice out a lot of their angst about the game. It's like work or a non-profit organisation. It's time to move on once you've lost your passion for it. And if the exit is done will, people will remember that player more fondly.

Never look back - thinking about it further, I can see why people may get upset about it. I should have clarified and said never to look back on the bad side and just remember the good times.



Probably not as much as you have. Definitely not in a hardcore guild and probably wouldn't be seeing as much as you have.

But there are some lessons learnt in RL that is applicable in WoW that you could say makes me write the way I do at times.

I do like to help out people where I can, be it here or in-game. And I'd applaud the player who works hard to make something of himself in-game even if he never ends up being in a hardcore guild but that he has progress as far as he can. Epics shouldn't be a form a recognition but more a reward for good work.

However, I do look up to hardcore guilds as well. As Kurei mentioned, it's a scripted event and we will not invent anything new. I've pestered the players here who have seen those events more often than I can remember. They were kind enough to give some friendly tips rather than rant about casual players wanting to get epics.




Just a short observation about this. It's like "Sorry to have to say this as it's going to make people angry but I have got to say it". Yes, it's very common for people to say this a lot but it's asking for trouble though. And it smacks on insincerity of the author. Just say it out. No need to apologize for viewpoints. Self-help books always say don't do this - it may seem that it's softening the blow but in reality, nothing softens blows when it comes to words. As the old adage saying goes, "Words are sharper than a two-edged sword".

Hmm... I'm going to think a bit more before I answer this. Because clearly we have hit a sore point with you and you have taken it as a serious hit on your personal character rather than an impartial discussion.

But I'd just say that this is what Blizzard put down on their website :



Highly enjoyable - that seems to imply that they are covering more than the hardcore raiders. What it is, is anybody's guess at the moment. Their KPIs may include more than just $$$ or satisfying the hardcore raiders. Hence the result of epics being more easily available.

Going to turn this a wee bit.

If say that Blizzard were to reverse their decision, would your guildies come back with the uncheaping of the epics? Or for Risen, for that matter.

The final answer may be the end of all arguments.

Maybe anyways.

Hmm....we missing a few posts?

Chasing epics as a goal may not be self-sustaining in the long run. That is if you're hoping to keep a guild intact. Probably a group may still stick together but frustrations and stress level will build up.

Not to mention the wall of text on this thread.

Murphy's Law : When things go wrong, it really goes wrong.

So, no matter how logical reasons are given, QQ-ers will still not accept. it.

Ah well.