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Discussion **Football Lounge Rules and Regulations**, What Do You Think Of It? Not Strict or?

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prelude23
post Mar 25 2008, 08:09 PM

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QUOTE(james2306 @ Mar 25 2008, 07:56 PM)
i honestly think it was all good banter in between the fans, but a few rotten apples took things too far and made it worst..
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And I believe one of those rotten apples support the same team as you. The one who cause all these commotions.
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post Mar 25 2008, 08:16 PM

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QUOTE(james2306 @ Mar 25 2008, 08:13 PM)
It cant be helped that United has the majority of the Fans and with this majority, the percentage of the rotten apples will be higher than the other clubs.
Also, are u saying that we should prosecute all United fans coz of these people? We have no control of what they do.  rolleyes.gif
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Yeah I truly understand it. That why I din state all of United fans. I know there's some genuine fans there.
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post Mar 25 2008, 08:35 PM

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QUOTE(edvpc @ Mar 25 2008, 08:18 PM)
this is football.some team/player follow the fair-play rules and some other not... biggrin.gif
it also happen with the fans... nod.gif

dont blame the moderator for all this.they just done thier job well over the years.or maybe we can vote u to be a next Football Lounge moderator... thumbup.gif
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Oh yeah? I doubt that. Screwing Liverpool's thread considered doing a great job?
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post Mar 25 2008, 09:07 PM

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QUOTE(bwan @ Mar 25 2008, 08:44 PM)
I was a mod in Football Lounge before. But because 2-3 forumes against my appointment, with free mind I offer to step down as my intention is to serve everybody (it does not mean to please everyone). If I can't serve everyone and be fair, why should I become a mod?
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Well, there's no need to go so far till step down as mod you know? A simple explanation and words of apology to the Liverpool forumers will definitely clear things up but as a mod, he fail to do it. Instead, its Whacker who in the first place had nothing to do with the case came out and said that was a misunderstanding. LOL
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post Mar 25 2008, 09:17 PM

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QUOTE(james2306 @ Mar 25 2008, 09:11 PM)
actually, what happen?

as far as i know

1) a post by someone in the pool thread got flagged for warning by the mod in question
2) but the staff mistakenly banned the person instead of just warning
3) then when the rest of pool fans found out he got banned, they started to show their anger
4) after much discussion and flame wars, another mod came in and said it was a mistake by staff that mistakenly ban instead of warn..

is this correct?
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5) No apology or whatsoever by the mods to the Liverpool's fans which left many of us in disgust.
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QUOTE(james2306 @ Mar 25 2008, 09:25 PM)
if what u say they angry abt (the mod never apologize) is true,
from what the LYN system is, its not moderator fault, its staff who mistakenly ban instead of warn..

LYN Mods cant take action, they only flag/identify posts/things that need action to be taken against.. the staff is the one that lays down the punishment..

I think they guys in the pool thread got a little carried away, the mod in question didnt make the mistake, its some1 from the staff.

if they think they feel that the mod was bias in flagging people in the pool thread rather than united thread, calm down and think straight guys.. how sure are u that he never flagged posts in united thread? u cant see this, oni staff/admin can see this..
im sure the mod in question has flagged thousands of posts all over the Football Lounge since its his duty, it just so happens that this time around a liverpool fan's posts got flagged and a mistake by the staff got him banned. ( i believe this has been reversed )

for those who say got united supporters who got away with the Vulgarism, well, how sure are u that the person hasnt been warned?
so please, calm down, think properly before u say anything coz there are people out there just waiting for a reason to start a whole new flame war.


Added on March 25, 2008, 9:26 pm

find my response to ur post in my post
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Well, eventhough he did not do the bannings but it was a mistake to ban Jonno. He played a part there and he should come out to apologize as well. Come on, even TheWhacker apologized. I'm not headhunting alien but I just hope he could serve well and bring back the Liverpool community.
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post Mar 25 2008, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(bwan @ Mar 25 2008, 10:00 PM)
My apology to Alien2003 if he already did that as it's was my bad for not seeing his apology anywhere. But, I wonder why some of the seniors that contributed a lot to Football Lounge still not happy? Or maybe they're ok now. If it's the case, we should stop all this arguments and let the mods including Alien2003 to carry on with his job.
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Not only you. I dont remember seeing his apology either.

@kobe

If members of Liverpool left this forum due to the incident added up, how come I've never heard about ManUtd members leaving this forum? Now we're not talking about one Pool fans but a number of them. As far as I know, Duke Red, Jonno and co. had always been posting quality post here without trolling and bait flame in other threads. If according to you its the R&R that has been factor, why I dont see other member migrating away because of this? There must be something which deeply upsets them which trigger their decisions to move away from here.
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post Mar 25 2008, 10:37 PM

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QUOTE(creap @ Mar 25 2008, 10:24 PM)
We bow to no one except to our religion you and me share. brows.gif

Truth is, we can't really go against the R & R of this forum since this is a public forum and who knows who will be reading our posts if the mods allowed those posts? It's pretty simple, follow the R&R, and you will be fine. You want to report someone's post, go ahead and report I say (no matter how immature that will sound). Obviously Jonno, DukeRed and gang found a better place to discuss about their team, so why holding them back when they have already seen enough here?

Simple illustration:

You have been drinking milk brand A for ages and you have no complains whatsoever. One day, you ran out of milk brand A and you decided to ask your friend to grab milk brand A for you. Alas, your friend couldnt find brand A and got you brand B instead. You tried and love brand B immediately. Question: Would you go back for brand A knowing how good brand B is?
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We're holding them back because we want this place to be a better one. Like bwan said, whats the point everyone migrating to other forums and have the place all by themselves? The nice thing about here is that we go almost all the major club fans gathering here and socialize among each other. If all of the sudden there's no Pool fans, wont it be weird?

You see mate, I'm with Gunners and Bwan is with Blues. Don't you feel the thing here?


Added on March 25, 2008, 10:38 pm
QUOTE(J-Piggy @ Mar 25 2008, 10:33 PM)
as mentioned above, it is all up to individual.Sometimes, when they do it, they feel nothing but when ppl did it, they report it... wink.gif
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Maybe we should ask mods to warn those who report over small matters. brows.gif

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post Mar 25 2008, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Mar 25 2008, 10:39 PM)
There is very little interaction among opposing fans anyway. When I say something you don't like? What do you do? You report me. No point having opposing fans kow tow to you just because you are a rival in LYN. You have something to say, say it out loud and proud. It sickens me whenever I see posts like "Good luck on today's game" or "Haha, hope you win." doh.gif
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Well, sometimes its nice to see those little greetings from your rival you know? And if the forum is make up by one sided fans, we will not be able to see 'Vidic vs Agger Who's better' kinda thread. What the fun in it?
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post Mar 25 2008, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Mar 25 2008, 10:50 PM)
But look at the kind of replies in such threads. Would you prefer someone like Jonno or Duke who utters the occasional Fs (Jonno utters it a lot) or a young ah beng who does nothing but post one liners and report comments that aren't of his belief. The fact that Jonno was going to get a warning says it all as well. The rules and regulations are flawed. It's very Malaysian-like for a Malaysian audience.
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What's F?

Anyway, I dont see our argument going anywhere if the mods aren't gonna change anything.
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post Mar 25 2008, 11:07 PM

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QUOTE(creap @ Mar 25 2008, 11:02 PM)
Like kobe has said, if every interaction with the rivals meant someone pressing the report button, no, I don't feel anything. Occasionally some newbies will come in and taunt or call names but the best solution is to ignore them, and not taking the flamebait.

If you really enjoy reading or debating with Jonno or dukered, you can always register an account at their forum. And that is what you will get from there, a true (often) liverpool fans view.
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No offence mate, this reporting issue had only been an issue after Jonno was reported. Before that there was nth serious.

And I like LYN football lounge. Thats why I've been saying I want those real fans to reconsider turning their back against LYN.
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post Mar 25 2008, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Mar 25 2008, 11:17 PM)
Define serious? The only reason why the Jonno case was serious was because there was a cock up but the sad case still remains that sour grapes report posts they can't reply/tolerate.
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Erm yeah, I agree with you. R&R is there I agree but we as football fans knows that name calling could be tolerate if the manner is right. You see, Jonno din go to Manutd thread and shout c*** Ronaldo right? There's no need to report this. Imagine if every post similar to that are to be report, the mods will be giving warning like there's no tomorrow. I'm sure you agree with me kobe.
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post Mar 25 2008, 11:50 PM

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QUOTE(alien2003 @ Mar 25 2008, 11:41 PM)
Everyone has their own different definition of "proper manner" so how do we judge if a post is posted in the right manner?

FYI, I had more than 10 reported posts the next day after the MU v LIV game [both threads combined] and at least half of them are reported by someone else, NOT me. Among those offenders, they are a mixture of members from both threads. I flagged all of them for warning. Try ask corez, one of his post was reported for name calling and he got a warning for that.

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=16328902
Another thing is Jonno did not get any ban on account. All he got was 10% warn + disable posting for 3 days. In fact, one of the admin was then proceed to remove them. PM & ask goldfries if you all think I make this up.

I will not explain further since it will be useless if any of you insist on believing I am bias when carrying out my moderating duty.

You can always contact the staff/admin to verify/complain/etc if you think it is necessary.
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Disable for 3 days equal to ban, no?

Hey alien. I've got a point here. You see, rules are dead and they arent flexible. You see Jonno used the word **** on Ronaldo but did he do that with an ill intention? No. Try talking with fans from overseas. Most of them will use nicks on player. Eg: That ******* dived again. The piece of crap missed an open goal. The ref is shit. Jonno made his sentence (the **** sentence) in good manner you see. He did not went to Manutd thread and shout 'Ronaldo is a ****!!'. I personally find it more annoyed when I see a rival fan come into my thread and post " We beat you in your turf. Thanks for the title" rather than "Cesc that *******" in their own thread.


Judge on intention. Not word.

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QUOTE(sasuke914 @ Mar 25 2008, 11:50 PM)
On Moderator, I think thewhacker is one of the fairest moderator out there..but too bad he posted not that frequently
and on bro alien, i think he is doing great at the moment, providing informative articles to other thread not only in Man utd thread..is there any problems with that?
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Mods job is not to post information or articles alright?
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post Mar 26 2008, 12:13 AM

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QUOTE(alien2003 @ Mar 26 2008, 12:03 AM)
In that moment of heat, I am not sure if the timing is right since at that time I was the most hated person in the thread.
Disable posting only means one cannot post BUT will still able to login to the forum.

Right, judge by intention and not word. I quoted what goldfries said that time:

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=16249992
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I dont think you get my point. Like I've said, he do not have any intention to annoy the ManU fans and he did it in a well mannered. Its not like everything has to go by the books.
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post Mar 26 2008, 12:19 AM

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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Mar 26 2008, 12:17 AM)
It's not about intention. It's the fact that the word shouldn't be used! That's the point alien's trying to make.
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I've been using the words for my last 2 post. Why din you guys say anything bout me? Its the intention that counts dude. Its already been a custom of name calling in football.

 

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