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Reuben
post Jul 9 2008, 02:20 PM

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Yo posting here as well with some BIOS details hoping you guys can help improve my overclock.

multiplier: 9
FSB: 333
CPU voltage: 1.385
Other voltages: AUTO
FSB lock to NB: AUTO
RAM: DDR2-667
Timing: 5-5-5-15 (rest at Auto)
Transaction booster: Believe i disabled it or was it a relax 0
Spread spectrum: Disabled
The rest were set at Auto.

Processor: Q6600 G0 currently running at 3.0 ghz 333x9 (tested with 12 hours prime) using HyperTX cooler and 1.365 voltage
Motherboard: Asus P5KR with vdroop pencil mod
RAM: 2 x 1gb Team Xtreem RAM DDR2 1066 running at 667 mhz (for troubleshooting first) at 5-5-5-15 at Auto Voltage
PSU: Gigabyte 850 W Odin
GFX: 2x4850 Crossfire (non oced)

Right now 3.0ghz is fine. Temps are around 47C Idle but jumps up to 69C ish after about an hour of priming based on Speedfan. A bit concerned about temperature.

A note that before the pencil mod, I could not get my overclock higher than 2.8ghz as the voltage kept on fluctuating.

But if I try to run it at 3.2 ghz I'll get an error at Core 2 using Prime(that is 0,1,2,3). Tried increasing the voltage but still received the error within a few minutes of running even at 1.425 V

Have I really hit the limit of my processor or is the mobo to blame or my pencil mod? Please note that without the pencil mod I could not even get up to 3.0ghz.
Reuben
post Jul 9 2008, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Jul 9 2008, 02:37 PM)
Could be your power supply since you are running 2 GPUs. Hitting more than 65C for CPU is not recommended. Try with 1 GPU and see if you can OC more or not. hehe
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850 W is more than enough for my setup and I have tried taking out one GPU with no difference in results.

Yes i know it's not recommended that's why I'm asking for tips. The voltage I am using is far from being high as well. It's actually running at 1.365 at the moment.

This post has been edited by Reuben: Jul 9 2008, 02:41 PM
Reuben
post Jul 9 2008, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(ahsiah @ Jul 9 2008, 03:40 PM)
@Reuben, you can check the RAM with Memset86. I have same problem before, when temperature goes too high and RAM will out of order.

The temperature of your CPU is very high. Just wonder what HSF you using?
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Coolermaster HyperTX as mentioned above biggrin.gif

47 C on idle. 69-70 C on load at 1.365 V
This is after 4-5 hours of priming.

Usually if it goes up for a few minutes it's only around 60 C.
I just applied Arctic MX 2 thermal paste so not sure if it needs time to set in.

I have done a memtest before but i'll give it another go.
Reuben
post Jul 9 2008, 06:39 PM

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Jul 9 2008, 05:25 PM)
hint hint.. wrong vtt voltage and nb voltage
hint hint.. dont listen to everybody that gives advice

cherio..

also ure crazy crossfiring that card on a p35...
u wont have much gain on second card..
change ure mobo.. not worth ure time now to tweak it to clock ure cpu..
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Apparently the loss by using p35 and the pci-e x4 on the second slot results in a 5% loss.
Not THAT bad tongue.gif but yeah not ideal.

Voltage is correct.

Reapplied the thermal paste and temps are now in the 52-56 C range under full load for 20 minutes. Haven't had time to let temps stabilize further.
Reuben
post Jul 10 2008, 08:50 AM

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QUOTE(ahsiah)
  @Reuben

Mind to list your setting over here and we can check it out for you?


Thanks I've listed my settings below.


QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Jul 9 2008, 09:32 PM)
define correct...
u cant even get 3.2ghz

anyway i already told ure fsb and nb voltages are wrong.. up to u..
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QUOTE(Radeon)
hint hint


Actually what would be more helpful if you could tell me what was wrong about the fsb and nb voltages instead of giving me just a hint since I'm here solely because I'm frustrated with my overclock, not because I want to guess what you mean...I know you guys trying to help but aiyo I'm so frustrated here and now have to guess some more.

I say they are correct because I have tried a large range of voltage options and none of them work. This seems to be the case regardless of whether I set it to AUTO or not. Please review my settings below and tell me where I went wrong.

These are the voltages I tried.

CPU vcore: Auto won't work, Manual 1.35 V all the way up to 1.45 V in 0.0125 V increments
PLEASE NOTE THAT I HAVE TRIED THIS WITH BOTH PENCIL MOD AND WITHOUT.
CPU-Z and Everest reports BEFORE pencil mod that I need to set it at high 1.4s to get it even working stably at the reported voltage of 1.385 V.
After the pencil mod, the voltages reported were the same as set in the BIOS and I could reach 3.0ghz for some strange reason.

FSB Termination Voltage: Tried all the options there is. I left it at Auto it won't work as well
Northbridge: Tried Auto all the way from 1.20V - 1.55V
FSB speed: 333 works reliably now. I upped it to 355 which is 3.2 ghz but it won't work. I only tried incremental increases a short while but as you implied 3.2 ghz should be easily achievable. I also used multiplier 8 at 400 FSB
Multiplier: I used multiplier 9 and also multiplier 8 at 400 FSB
RAM voltages: Auto, 1.8 all the way up to 2.2 (seeing that i was operating at only 667 mhz i didn't see why i should up the voltage any higher unless i was going to the 1066 range)

RAM timings: 5-5-5-18 (although RAM rated up to 5-5-5-15 at 1066mhz at 2.2-2.3V) I relaxed the timings just to be doubly sure.

Yes I've also done all the required in disabling Thermal Management and all that stuff.

DO LET ME KNOW WHAT OTHER SETTINGS I HAVE LEFT OUT! I can't remember the BIOS screen perfectly biggrin.gif

The article below expresses the same problems I have with this board. It seems the more I deviate from 'AUTO' the worse results I get. The thing is that it SOMETIMES works which is really bollocks to me...Priming would work at 3.2 ghz for about 15 minutes then fail.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mainboard...asus-p5k_9.html

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So, the mainboard was working fine when the FSB Termination Voltage or North Bridge Voltage weren’t increased at all, and then it would refuse to boot when we raised them to 1.4-1.55V. The board would pass the tests and then would fail them; it would either reboot alright or freeze on restart. Sometimes, when we changed the BIOS settings just a little bit, such as increased the voltage slightly, the board wouldn’t start, but after we shut it down and powered it up again – it would work perfectly fine with the adjusted settings.



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and p35 loss on crossfire with 4x is around 20 percent..
not 5
Yup you are correct on this. Not sure where was the other article that I looked up before I got my crossfire setup. now regretting it and considering whether to get a new mobo but sooo tired la keep on changing hardware.

Would appreciate advice on my current hardware now. However I am open to suggestions on what other crossfire mobo I can get. Budget around RM700 at max...
I also have a spare gaygaybyte p35c-DS3r but that mobo does not have crossfire and is still subject to voltage droops and what not.

This post has been edited by Reuben: Jul 10 2008, 09:22 AM
Reuben
post Jul 10 2008, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(ahsiah @ Jul 10 2008, 10:28 AM)
@Reuben,

Mind to do a screen shot capture for Core Temp. I want to see the VID of your CPU.

Based on your message above, I assumed your setting as below. Please correct me if the below setting are wrong.

CPU Settings
CPU Ratio Setting: 9.0
C1E Support: Enabled
CPU TM Function: AUTO
Vandarpool Technology: Enabled
Execute Disable Bit: Enabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled

Overclocking Settings
FSB Frequency - 333
Ratio - 9

DRAM Timing Control - AUTO
DRAM Static Read Control - DISABLE
Transaction Booster - Disabled
Relax Level/Boost Level - 0

CPU Voltage - 1.385v
CPU Voltage Reference - 0.63x
CPU Voltage Damper - Enabled
CPU PLL Voltage - AUTO
DRAM Voltage - AUTO
FSB Termination Voltage - AUTO
North Bridge Voltage - AUTO
North Bridge Voltage Reference - 0.67x
South Bridge Voltage - AUTO

CPU Spread Spectrum - Disable
PCIE Spread Spectrum - Disable

For your case, you must set the NB Voltage Reference and CPU Voltage Reference as stated above. And then, you should just focus on setting FSB Termination Voltage and CPU Voltage only.

Bare in mind, always check your temperature using Asus Probe II. Don't stress your system too much.

Now, waiting for your reply.
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Thanks for the update biggrin.gif Will give it a go. and I will post my coretemp vid shortly when i go back for lunch.
What is a recommended FSB termination voltage?

also i tried googling this all up on what each of them do but i don't quite understand still biggrin.gif Would appreciate some brief explanations.

Reuben
post Jul 10 2008, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(Reuben @ Jul 10 2008, 11:31 AM)
Thanks for the update biggrin.gif Will give it a go. and I will post my coretemp vid shortly when i go back for lunch.
What is a recommended FSB termination voltage?

also i tried googling this all up on what each of them do but i don't quite understand still biggrin.gif Would appreciate some brief explanations.
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Coretemp reports.
CPUID=0x6FB
APICID=0
Revision=G0
Processor=Intel Core 2 Quad 6600 (Kentsfield)
Frequency=3005.55MHz (333.95x9.0)
Platform=LGA775
VID=1.3250v

Is the high VID the culprit here? sad.gif


Nawp still crashed. I went and wrote everything down when it failed at 3.2ghz
When I put my results with a / means I tried them all

AI Overclock: Manual
CPU Ratio: 9
FSB Strap: Auto
FSB frequency: 355
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM: DDR2 711MHz
Dram Command: Auto
dram timing: Auto 5-5-5-18-3-42-6-3-3
Dram static Disabled
Transaction booster: Disabled Relax 0
CPU Voltage: 1.375 and changed it up to 1.425
CPU PLL: Auto
FSB Termination: Auto/1.2/1.3
NB: Auto/1.2/1.4
Clockovercharging voltage: AUTO
Load line calibration (i think this is voltage dampener): Enabled
CPU GTL Voltage: 0.63/AUTO
NB GLL Voltage Reference: 0.67/AUTO
Spread spectrum for both cpu and gpu disabled.
Reuben
post Jul 11 2008, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(wlp9185 @ Jul 11 2008, 05:25 PM)
my expert bro, i'm newbie here n need recommendation to OC my tracer 4x1gb 800mhz with P5N32E-SLI. minimum setting will do because never OC before. i tried oredi but cannot boot my vista la...................

my setting is in the tweaker extreme window, AI Overclock [AI OC] n SLI ready [CPUOC 1%]. is that all that i have to set?
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You're only overclocking your RAM? What about your CPU?

Usually the auto tweakers aren't that useful imho.

QUOTE(cstkl1)

wheres ure mem voltage?? set that to 2.0v for now..
run orthos and get the small fft stable...
then then blend...

then everyday tweak ure ram/nb voltages until perfect..

but seriously wasting ure time tweaking that mobo..
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Thanks for the tips and yes I realized I'm wasting my time so I got myself an x38 Asus Maximus Formula so I can run pcie16 x 2:D appreciate yoru help though as it did improve my knowledge.

Btw I managed to get it to 3.2 ghz but at an extremely high voltage at 1.485 WITH the pencil mod. Ahsiah has told me it's most likely the high VID I got with this chip and I am inclined to agree. This combined with the stupid voltage droop on the P5K kinda ensures my doom sad.gif

This post has been edited by Reuben: Jul 11 2008, 05:30 PM

 

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