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dgtel2
post Oct 12 2008, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(Baronic @ Oct 12 2008, 11:55 AM)
u cant use it unless calling your operator and enabling it.
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If you are under Celcom, GPRS/3G service is automatically activated even though you did not sign-up for their 3G service. This is because, the 3G SIM card has ben 3G-enabled. But to 'skip' the auto-activated of this 3G service, you just delete the APN configuration in i780. Therefore, whenever i780 try to use the 3G service, it will not connect to it because you have deleted the APN configuration.

There is also an application called "NoData" and similar that will totally stop i780 from launching the data connection. This is a lot safer. And it's free.

One thing you should know about i780 is whenever you successfully connected to 3G service, it will not auto-disconnect if idle. Therefore, running 3G connection constantly will suck the battery vigorously.

For Maxis and DiGi, I don't know.


Added on October 12, 2008, 12:17 pm
QUOTE(okk @ Oct 12 2008, 11:12 AM)
Thanks for the reply!
One more question, for A-GPS, the connection to network is only made during initial lockup rite? Or is there constant download of location from the network? I am asking this because I am worried that I will be billed with heavy amount of GPRS/3G usage...
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Yes. The A-GPS is only activated to locate your position. After it has defined/downloaded the necessary data to i780, it will not download anymore data. How much data is downloaded? I don't know.

Therefore, once i780 has locked the satellite, no data is being downloaded anymore. But still, i780 will constantly connected to 3G without disconnecting it. This 'bugs' is coming from either i780 or Windows Mobile platform itself. But, in Symbian OS, the 3G connection will be auto-disconnected once it's idle for a few seconds. This is one factor why Symbian is more user-friendly than WM.

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post Oct 12 2008, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(dgtel2 @ Oct 12 2008, 12:11 PM)
If you are under Celcom, GPRS/3G service is automatically activated even though you did not sign-up for their 3G service. This is because, the 3G SIM card has ben 3G-enabled. But to 'skip' the auto-activated of this 3G service, you just delete the APN configuration in i780. Therefore, whenever i780 try to use the 3G service, it will not connect to it because you have deleted the APN configuration.

There is also an application called "NoData" and similar that will totally stop i780 from launching the data connection. This is a lot safer. And it's free.

One thing you should know about i780 is whenever you successfully connected to 3G service, it will not auto-disconnect if idle. Therefore, running 3G connection constantly will suck the battery vigorously.

For Maxis and DiGi, I don't know.


Added on October 12, 2008, 12:17 pm
Yes. The A-GPS is only activated to locate your position. After it has defined/downloaded the necessary data to i780, it will not download anymore data. How much data is downloaded? I don't know.

Therefore, once i780 has locked the satellite, no data is being downloaded anymore. But still, i780 will constantly connected to 3G without disconnecting it. This 'bugs' is coming from either i780 or Windows Mobile platform itself. But, in Symbian OS, the 3G connection will be auto-disconnected once it's idle for a few seconds. This is one factor why Symbian is more user-friendly than WM.
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Are u sure it incurs charges? i've been using windows mobile with AGPS all the while, but it doesnt use it, just normal GPS, no data charges. as far as i know what u described is how nokia works. not windows mobile.

samsung i780 may be different, i dun know, please clarify
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post Oct 12 2008, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(Baronic @ Oct 12 2008, 12:36 PM)
Are u sure it incurs charges? i've been using windows mobile with AGPS all the while, but it doesnt use it, just normal GPS, no data charges. as far as i know what u described is how nokia works. not windows mobile.

samsung i780 may be different, i dun know, please clarify
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A-GPS is separated application in i780. It is called Enhanced GPS. i780 will only use A-GPS if we launch the Enhanced GPS application. But if we set it to auto download, then i780 will automatically launch AGPS and immediately download the necessary data without any warning. To activate the Enhanced GPS function, we need to click at the "XTRA Data Download" button. After that i780 will warn that charges will be incurred if proceed as shown below:
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I have used the GPS without SIM card. Of course Garmin MXT is the right client for this stunt. And i780 will take 5 minutes to lock because there is no SIM card for it to connect to A-GPS. You can try to use your GPS without SIM card and clock how long it needs to lock the satellite. My bet is that your unit will take more than 2 minutes to lock.

As for Nokia, the answer is yes and no. If we use Nokia Maps, and if we have saved the maps in the memory card, no data will be downloaded when we navigate. But, if no maps are pre-installed in the unit, 3G service will constantly download data/maps from nokia server on-the-fly. The same concept also applicable to Google Maps which constantly downloading data from Google server whenever we navigate.

I've just realised that using iGO8 as the GPS client will change your i780 clock to Hong Kong GMT. Luckily Hong Kong GMT is similar to Malaysia, i.e. GMT +8.

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post Oct 12 2008, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(dgtel2 @ Oct 12 2008, 01:30 PM)
A-GPS is separated application in i780. It is called Enhanced GPS. i780 will only use A-GPS if we launch the Enhanced GPS application. But if we set it to auto download, then i780 will automatically launch AGPS and immediately download the necessary data without any warning. To activate the Enhanced GPS function, we need to click at the "XTRA Data Download" button. After that i780 will warn that charges will be incurred if proceed as shown below:
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I have used the GPS without SIM card. Of course Garmin MXT is the right client for this stunt. And i780 will take 5 minutes to lock because there is no SIM card for it to connect to A-GPS. You can try to use your GPS without SIM card and clock how long it needs to lock the satellite. My bet is that your unit will take more than 2 minutes to lock.

As for Nokia, the answer is yes and no. If we use Nokia Maps, and if we have saved the maps in the memory card, no data will be downloaded when we navigate. But, if no maps are pre-installed in the unit, 3G service will constantly download data/maps from nokia server on-the-fly. The same concept also applicable to Google Maps which constantly downloading data from Google server whenever we navigate.

I've just realised that using iGO8 as the GPS client will change your i780 clock to Hong Kong GMT. Luckily Hong Kong GMT is similar to Malaysia, i.e. GMT +8.
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Does that mean I need to wait for 5 minutes before I can start driving?

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post Oct 12 2008, 03:16 PM

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I know Enhanced GPS used data, cuz it uses the network to help determine location and increase accuracy, such that it can even be used indoors.

but we are talking about A GPS.

EGPS and AGPS are two different things
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post Oct 12 2008, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(okk @ Oct 12 2008, 03:15 PM)
Does that mean I need to wait for 5 minutes before I can start driving?
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Nope. You can immediately drive right after you've launched the GPS client and determined your destination. BUT, it'll take about 5 minutes to lock your position if you're driving compared to about 60 seconds if you stand still in open sky. Besides, the voice navigation won't start without locking to the satellite. Therefore, if you know where you are going (roughly...) you may start driving WHILE waiting for the unit to lock and calculate the routing for you.


Added on October 12, 2008, 3:40 pm
QUOTE(Baronic @ Oct 12 2008, 03:16 PM)
I know Enhanced GPS used data, cuz it uses the network to help determine location and increase accuracy, such that it can even be used indoors.

but we are talking about A GPS.

EGPS and AGPS are two different things
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Well, from the reading here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS
"A typical A-GPS-enabled cell phone will use an internet connection to contact the assistance server. Alternatively, it may use standard non-assisted GPS, which is slower and less accurate, but does not lead to network charges for data traffic".

More : http://www.cnet.com.au/cartech/gps/0,20004...39289510,00.htm
"assisted GPS uses your mobile phone's active data connection to send the limited GPS signal it has received to an Assistance Server"

Therefore, A-GPS or Enhanced GPS are identical. It's like branding/name convention only. And, if you are using unlimited 3G service, you won't care about the data has been consumed becoz you pay flat amount every month and you don't feel the pain of data transfer. Nowadays, 3G service is a must, at least for me...

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QUOTE(Baronic @ Oct 12 2008, 03:16 PM)
I know Enhanced GPS used data, cuz it uses the network to help determine location and increase accuracy, such that it can even be used indoors.

but we are talking about A GPS.

EGPS and AGPS are two different things
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Enhanced GPS is how samsung call AGPS . yes when u activate AGPS in i780 it will download a small amount of data , cost around 10 sen only. so why wait for 5 minutes, just use the AGPS/EGPS

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just wait 5 minutes lah, or drive slowly first to the main road whilst waiting for the gps signal to lock. don't waste that precious 10 cents.. brows.gif
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post Oct 19 2008, 09:50 AM

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May I know what's the price for the original Samsung i780 now?
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post Oct 22 2008, 09:01 AM

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QUOTE(Baronic @ Oct 12 2008, 11:36 AM)
for windows mobile u will not be billed for ANY gprs/3g usage.

welcome to the world of anti-nokia biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Baronic @ Oct 12 2008, 03:16 PM)
I know Enhanced GPS used data, cuz it uses the network to help determine location and increase accuracy, such that it can even be used indoors.

but we are talking about A GPS.

EGPS and AGPS are two different things
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1st of all, no matter what super power mower phone you have, 3G AND GPRS WILL induce charges. That is why you have crappy yet expensive data package from Maxis and Celcom.

A(ssisted)GPS and E(nhanced)GPS the same. HP even call it QuickGPS if I not mistaken. They all use data.

Please brush up your knowledge, a mod shouldn't be so uninformed like this.
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QUOTE(Pip_X @ Oct 22 2008, 09:01 AM)
1st of all, no matter what super power mower phone you have, 3G AND GPRS WILL induce charges. That is why you have crappy yet expensive data package from Maxis and Celcom.
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yes, usage of GPRS will charged according to the amount of data used.

QUOTE(Pip_X @ Oct 22 2008, 09:01 AM)
A(ssisted)GPS and E(nhanced)GPS the same. HP even call it QuickGPS if I not mistaken. They all use data.
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well aGPS and eGPS are 'technically' the same thing. eGPS is newer technology and superior than aGPS. QuickGPS is just the software to utilize those technology, it could be name differently by different vendor. here's some insight of both aGPS and eGPS;

aGPS
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How QuickGPS works

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QUOTE(Pip_X @ Oct 22 2008, 09:01 AM)
Please brush up your knowledge, a mod shouldn't be so uninformed like this.
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doh.gif bro, please remove/amend this statement. Being mod is no different like all of us here except his/her duty is to ensure the smooth going of forums they are in charge in and to prevent any conflicts between members from starting. mod have at their discretion a right to moderate any thread that are found to be inappropriate or in violation with board or sub-forum rules. mod are selected based on responsible postings and substantial contributions on the boards. bro Baronic has proven his time and his enormous contribution in this forum particularly in PDA section! [ maybe bro Baronic make some mistake earlier, but hey...we all do make some mistake right? ] icon_rolleyes.gif

note : shouldn't this GPS discussion be discuss in the pinned thread?

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post Oct 22 2008, 11:57 AM

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Guys,

Just wanna know the following:

1. I can't seem to find a PDF reader download for my PDA. Everytime i try to install, it says something like does not support/
2. Where is the soft reset button?

I bought this 2nd hand. so dunno where the manual is (if any).

regards,


Added on October 22, 2008, 11:58 amGuys,

Just wanna know the following:

1. I can't seem to find a PDF reader download for my PDA. Everytime i try to install, it says something like does not support/
2. Where is the soft reset button?

I bought this 2nd hand. so dunno where the manual is (if any).

regards,


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post Oct 22 2008, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(Pip_X @ Oct 22 2008, 09:01 AM)
1st of all, no matter what super power mower phone you have, 3G AND GPRS WILL induce charges. That is why you have crappy yet expensive data package from Maxis and Celcom.

A(ssisted)GPS and E(nhanced)GPS the same. HP even call it QuickGPS if I not mistaken. They all use data.

Please brush up your knowledge, a mod shouldn't be so uninformed like this.
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1st of all, my bad, i meant for windows mobile u shud not be charged for GPS usage. This is what happens when you're tired. u make mistakes.

secondly, i never claimed to be a pro in EVERYTHING. i'm a mod. a mod is supposed to help out where he can, and keep the forum and section so people like can properly use it, whether appreciated or not.

i always defer to the pros in a particular thread especially if he owns the device and i dont. which is why i asked for clarification that samsung uses data charges for AGPS because my past HTC models HAD AGPS, did NOT incure data chargers, and FIXES in 1 min max
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kah kah kah mod pon kena belasah.. aiyak, mod is not god who knows everything lah bro.. unless his role is 'subject matter experts' or whatever like that (that too.. being us human, are prone to weaknesses!)

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QUOTE(Baronic @ Oct 22 2008, 12:29 PM)
1st of all, my bad, i meant for windows mobile u shud not be charged for GPS usage. This is what happens when you're tired. u make mistakes.

secondly, i never claimed to be a pro in EVERYTHING. i'm a mod. a mod is supposed to help out where he can, and keep the forum and section so people like can properly use it, whether appreciated or not.

i always defer to the pros in a particular thread especially if he owns the device and i dont. which is why i asked for clarification that samsung uses data charges for AGPS because my past HTC models HAD AGPS, did NOT incure data chargers, and FIXES in 1 min max
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Wow. you sure real tired that time, to even suggest that we wont be billed for 3G usage if we using WM.

Please re-read my post:
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1st of all, no matter what super power mower phone you have, 3G AND GPRS WILL induce charges. That is why you have crappy yet expensive data package from Maxis and Celcom.

A(ssisted)GPS and E(nhanced)GPS the same. HP even call it QuickGPS if I not mistaken. They all use data.

Please brush up your knowledge, a mod shouldn't be so uninformed like this.

I never said that you claims to be a pro, because I know you are not, just the same like most of us here.
I was merely suggesting you to brushen up your knowledge in WM, if not how handphone/celular system works.

Please stop all the hating guys, start WM loving.

I'll start first: QRCode software from http://www.quickmark.com.tw
Attached File  QuickMark_DS_v3_6r3540.orh.zip ( 296.89k ) Number of downloads: 27

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seriously, i think your statement went overboard. 'seek' for clarification before you shoot. we may, shoot at the wrong bird, at times.
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post Oct 22 2008, 08:07 PM

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@Pip_x, reread MY post. i said i meant GPS no charge
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post Oct 22 2008, 09:37 PM

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enuff of these nonsense....no point arguing...

just wondering...has anyone use the extended battery for i780 as offered here:
http://shop.eten.hu/mugen-power-3000mah-ex...lack-p-476.html

How's the performance?
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well, mugen has an extremely good reputation for their batteries. their casings are solid, and battery life appears to be good. i'd recommend it over Cameron Sino or any other China company extended batteries. their casings are weak and inferior IMHO
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QUOTE(Baronic @ Oct 22 2008, 08:07 PM)
@Pip_x, reread MY post. i said i meant GPS no charge
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i concur, GPS no charge.

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