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 iPhone is coming to Singapore!, When is our turn?!!!

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post Mar 20 2008, 03:09 PM

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post Mar 20 2008, 03:33 PM

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I still think that Asian telco would not agree with profit sharing module requested by Apple and because of that out official iphone launch still delaying.

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post Mar 20 2008, 10:54 PM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Mar 20 2008, 02:40 AM)
Oh dear where do i start? Please understand that this post is not meant to rip you apart, mybargain, this post is meant as an analysis of what this news broadcast meant to me.I appreciate your work in reporting this in.
Im not surprised that that is your first reaction, because that reaction , being "thrilled" is the very objective this news blurb wants to achieve. Why? Because by "thrilling" you with its headlines, you will pay less attention to the content of the news, and once you analyse the news, you will realise that the news is nothing but rumors and conjectures, and not based on any hard evidence or conclusive sources. Let me explain.
This part alone makes this news article a non-credible source. When you have no confirmation on what you are reporting , your news material loses credibility and is relegated to "gossips and rumors".
This part of the news is aimed to sensationalize and make the news seems big and noteworthy. All you have here are estimates, conjectures and no hard numbers. "Estimates and conjectures" again makes for no credibly news. Statistics does.
A local vendor? Who? This again reinforce the fact that without credible sources, your news becomes rumors and gossip. The reluctance of the vendor to be named here can mean two things, to keep the news worth skepticising over, and to keep the viewers hooked to the later parts of the news. Viewers who are able to read between the lines knows this "keep your sources a mystery" ploy is an age-old tactics to lend your news material credibility, without revealing whether your sources are real or made up. This is called "Plausible deniability". The refusal of the vendor to be named is his escape clause should the claims of his does not come true, so that angry Singaporeans who have waited that long could not track him down adn rain fury on his speculative ass.
More analysis on this later, i will elaborate on why this point is important. Also another point to ponder, who are these "Observers"? Why arent their credentials and names mentioned? Again, the ploy for "plausible deniability" here.
The only part of this news that is possibly right. This is also the basis of all estimations on which telco will get the contract from Apple to partner with, judging from the current pattern Apple is using to launch the iPhone on a particular region/country.
Notice the elaborations stops there. Nowhere here is explained why Apple went "with that (business) model". Partnership with particular telcos here means the said telco bears a portion of the cost of the iPhone, in which they regain that cost by introducing new voice/data packages with contractual agreement to stay with that said telco between 12 to 24 months. The "more familiar relationship where you distribute through operators in Singapore here means that you get those phones tied down again with monthly subscription (based on Singaporean phone operator model) without tying them down to a longer agreement as mentioned before. The phone price, in this case, the iPhone, however will not be priced at the current price seen in the American operator business model, it will be much higher. This piece of information is conveniently omitted to keep the news on high gear, high spirits and warm on sensationalization.
Even a non-informed user here can make that call.
Again i ask, who is this guy? This is like asking the shop manager of Bluecube, the store that operates under Celcom banner here to ask his opinion on what/when he thinks the iPhone is going to be coming locally. iShop has no connections nor sources to higher Apple management to be privy of such knowledge. All this Zachary Wong is saying is that he hopes(from his "never expect" line) the iPhone to come over to Singapore and he wants the 3G version to come, not the current EDGE model. What basis this comment of his is based on? Nothing but hope and wanting.
Very very broad and non-specific, clearly indicating conjectures, speculations and rumor-mongering. The phone? Which model, 8Gb or 16Gb? EDGE or 3G? 3G iPhone at that price, WITHOUT Apple demanding 30% revenue from the awarded telco there? Anyone with a common sense knows that unless some other form of sponsorship is tied into this deal (government subsidy for example), this business model has little to negative profit margin.
Again, all this are word on the street. The news reporter is interviewing people on the street, if you watch the news broadcast, so all this are the hopes and wants of the people, which is not necessarily what Apple wants IF (A very big If) they launch the iPhone there at all.
Unless this is quoted word-for-word, i'd like to slap this Valarie in her face. Anyone who had read Steve Job's aspirations and target for iPhone's sale KNOWS that that 10 million units iPhone sold is for WORLDWIDE, not in Asia. Clerical and in this case, inaccuracy in news reporting indicated that this news reporter has no in-depth knowledge on the focus of the news she is reporting, and is reporting merely out of getting sensational news for the primetime slot.

Now, my reasoning why this news broadcast is inconsequential, and not trustworthy:-

1.  Where are the facts? Sources? When your sources are from speculating analyst, a "local vendors who refused to be named" and "nameless observers", and when you take your word on the street as bullet-points for your news, that kind of news is the kind you see repoted in gossip columns about Britney and her antics.
2.  Anyone who keeps up with the Singaporean telcos and their connections with who will get the iPhone contracts, knows that the rumors flipflops between Singtel and Starhub. I see this news blurb as merely ammunition for the profiting side(in this case, Singtel) to sway Apple's vote to award them the contractual agreement instead of Starhub. By sensationalising and reporting the what seems to be overblown needs of Singaporeans to get the iPhone and how their Singtel "connection" is much more intimate with Apple, this bolsters the public conception on which telco in Singapore is a telco of choice. Remember, iPhone is a huge deal, and whichever telco who got this lucrative deal could possibly hold sway a large majority in subscriber numbers.
3 . This next point is also common sense. We all heard Apple's desire to launch the iPhone to the rest of Asia Pacific in 2008. What countries are most likely gets launch news first compared to the other. We have all heard Apple's negotiation with China Mobile that went on and off and then on again (latest news still no go), and rumblings from down under in Australia, for Telstra coming up strong to be the likely awarded contracted telco. These two market alone should and must get news first before other smaller region gets any notice from Apple. Look at how Apple handled Europe. UK with O2 and CarPhoneWareHouse, Germany and France with Orange and T-Mobile, Italy...then we move to smaller countries like Switzerland, and latest is Austria and Ireland. See the pattern here? Bigger to smaller countries. Would it make more sense that larger countries in Asia Pacific region, like China, India and Australia would get their launch news first, than a country with an aggregate of 1 million cellphone subscriber like Singapore? Hell, i'd say even Thailand, Phillipines , Hong Kong and even Malaysia should get launched first if Apple is really serious about Asia, since these countries hold larger subscriber base numbers, than tiny Singapore. But have we heard any news other than rumors, at this points, about likely awarded candidates in Australia or China? What's so special about Singapore that likens Apple to award or announce their awarded contract first before these other larger telcos in larger countries? Think about it that way, and you will see , all there is to this news broadcast in Channel 5 in Singapore is nothing but the attempt to keep the public interest in the iPhone high, as well as the agenda i've explained in #2.

I dont know about any of you guys, but the reason why i stopped reading local newspapers and watching local terrestrial primetime news here is the same reason why i abhorred and disgusted with the kind of news i read and watch about this so called "Singtel in September" news : Zero substance, all conjectures. There is little to zero information that can be gleaned from that news article quoted by Mybargain, and im sure if i do watch the news broadcast on Channel 5, i would already have switched channel the very moment the reporters says "Local vendors refused to be named". When the anchor of your news, the very pillar of your broadcast, the material of your article is based on vague and non-sbubstantive sources and anecdotal evidences, your news no longer deserve to be called "news", it is now "gossips" to my eyes.
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i think you should become a lawyer or even a politician instead of a bus driver....
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post Mar 20 2008, 10:59 PM

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Being a lawyer automatically disqualifies you from entering Heaven. Politics? I hate it with a passion. Right kind of politics can do a lot of good to the community, while the wrong kind gets you into the situation like you see in the recent election. Or like what you're seeing with the brwon-nosing in the power structure in this very forum itself. Oh yes, i've heard and seen how a few characters here in this forum do to get themselves into that power position (moderator, and go from there on).

My long explanation is my own intepretation of the news, because Malaysians are only use to read, listen or watch news and take it at face value, without thinking beyond what the intention and objective of the news, and who stand to profit from the news itself. Just doing my civic duties of saving gullible forum folks from their own gullibilities. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Mar 20 2008, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Mar 20 2008, 10:59 PM)
Being a lawyer automatically disqualifies you from entering Heaven. Politics? I hate it with a passion. Right kind of politics can do a lot of good to the community, while the wrong kind gets you into the situation like you see in the recent election. Or like what you're seeing with the brwon-nosing in the power structure in this very forum itself. Oh yes, i've heard and seen how a few characters here in this forum do to get themselves into that power position (moderator, and go from there on).

My long explanation is my own intepretation of the news, because Malaysians are only use to read, listen or watch news and take it at face value, without thinking beyond what the intention and objective of the news, and who stand to profit from the news itself. Just doing my civic duties of saving gullible forum folks from their own gullibilities. icon_rolleyes.gif
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i agree to a certain point, provided that some us do read at all.... hmm.gif

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post Mar 20 2008, 11:03 PM

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The fact that you do reply to my post proves that some DO read, they only shy away from posting their own thoughts, or realize how they have been duped all this while and too ashamed to reply at all. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Mar 20 2008, 11:04 PM

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btw, let's not argue whether would the phone be coming to asia at all or perhaps a 3G version is on the horizon, we already enjoy ourselves with the phone and which is a fact for sure and f/w 2.0 is due to release in June, let's spend our precious time indulging ourselves with the phone...


Added on March 20, 2008, 11:05 pm
QUOTE(stringfellow @ Mar 20 2008, 11:03 PM)
The fact that you do reply to my post proves that some DO read, they only shy away from posting their own thoughts, or realize how they have been duped all this while and too ashamed to reply at all. icon_rolleyes.gif
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oh yeah, it should be read and understand.


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post Mar 20 2008, 11:08 PM

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QUOTE(jonest @ Mar 20 2008, 11:04 PM)
btw, let's not argue whether would the phone be coming to asia at all or perhaps a 3G version is on the horizon, we already enjoy ourselves with the phone and which is a fact for sure and f/w 2.0 is due to release in June, let's spend our precious time indulging ourselves with the phone...


Added on March 20, 2008, 11:05 pm

oh yeah, it should be read and understand.
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The irony is that im already enjoying my iPhone since September last year, while those who pining and hoping for a local launch have already stretched their neck giraffe-like waiting for something that has yet to materialize . laugh.gif

And what's even funnier is the fact that these "waiting folks" spend more time convincing other that their local-launch iPhone is coming , while folks like us are already enjoying it for quite sometime already. rclxms.gif
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post Mar 20 2008, 11:09 PM

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on the humor side, perhaps s'pore would like to have iphone launched by Sep so the F1 Drivers won't have any problem driving + navigating the street track using iphone.... heeeee


Added on March 20, 2008, 11:17 pm
QUOTE(stringfellow @ Mar 20 2008, 11:08 PM)
The irony is that im already enjoying my iPhone since September last year, while those who pining and hoping for a local launch have already stretched their neck giraffe-like waiting for something that has yet to materialize . laugh.gif

And what's even funnier is the fact that these "waiting folks" spend more time convincing other that their local-launch iPhone is coming , while folks like us are already enjoying it for quite sometime already. rclxms.gif
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OMG!!! Guys, if ur really keen in getting an iPhone, suggest that you don't wait, GET IT NOW!!!!

Sometimes when we wanted something, we waited awhile and finally get it in couple of months time, and soon afterwards something sure to happen, either price drop, new model release, and so forth...

Just like the recent MB update, I expected the new update should be around May / June kinda thing, so I got my first new mac in late Jan. One mth exactly later, the new version came out while the older version (the one i got) got a price reduction by almost RM800!!!! shocking.gif shocking.gif shocking.gif

The nite I received my 8GB iPhone, they launched 16GB iPhone is US!!!!! Luckily my dad wanted it so I sold it to him, got my 16GB the very next week... The lesson learnt, if u can afford it, don't wait.

GET IT NOW!

p/s: I'm not selling mac, iphone or accessories so I'm not promoting anything. Based on personal experience, it's more than worth it....

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post Mar 20 2008, 11:22 PM

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Either my sarcasm-meter is broken or you are actually serious on that last post.

Dont know about you, but for me, i'd rather shorten the suffering and get it over with quick. I'd like to prolong the pleasure im getting though. The same principle applies when it comes to either moving on to an iPhone or sex. laugh.gif
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post Mar 20 2008, 11:29 PM

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plsss...not malaysia..then iPhone not so executive la..haha..everybody can easily buy it tongue.gif
now ppl got their iPhone mostly from lyn, so not that many wor..bought it from lowyat??bwahaha..that must 'rich' enough if the buyer buy it at 2999

bottomline? go buy it
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Mar 20 2008, 11:22 PM)
Either my sarcasm-meter is broken or you are actually serious on that last post.

Dont know about you, but for me, i'd rather shorten the suffering and get it over with quick. I'd like to prolong the pleasure im getting though. The same principle applies when it comes to either moving on to an iPhone or sex. laugh.gif
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Well, having the iPhone is one of the greatest investment I ever spent.

So take my last post as an advise. Take it seriously though. Of course there are ppl who would be either jealous of the current iPhone users and just simply hate it due to ignorance.... "what's so great about the phone? what u can do, my XYZ brand oso can do" remarks could be flying around.

I ever tot of getting another iPhone for myself. One seems like NOT ENOUGH!!!! brows.gif brows.gif

Though when the official phone do come to M'sia, I would still be getting one either for my GF of as an upgrade (if it's a 3G or whatever version.

It's the BEST.
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Chill guys, let's go back to the topic. Actually 3G iPhone doesn't really mean much to me therefore i'm thinking of getting an iPhone pretty soon and ignore the official launch in Asia
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QUOTE(Moonflown @ Mar 20 2008, 11:30 PM)
Chill guys, let's go back to the topic. Actually 3G iPhone doesn't really mean much to me therefore i'm thinking of getting an iPhone pretty soon and ignore the official launch in Asia
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Some actually HATED the iPhone because the process of owning one FORCES them to change the way they are used to do things. From ditching the stylus to using the finger as how nature intended it to be, to their fear of having to turn legit and move away from piracy.

After all, why do people stayed with Windows platform when the Mac OS X experience is a breathe of fresh air? Because it is easier to find pirated products on the former platform than the latter.
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Mar 20 2008, 11:39 PM)
Some actually HATED the iPhone because the process of owning one FORCES them to change the way they are used to do things. From ditching the stylus to using the finger as how nature intended it to be, to their fear of having to turn legit and move away from piracy.

After all, why do people stayed with Windows platform when the Mac OS X experience is a breathe of fresh air? Because it is easier to find pirated products on the former platform than the latter.
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mac os also can get pirate software tongue.gif but ppl dunno n lazy to search

waiting for SPORE..wanna buy it r stringfellw? this game definately buy it ori..bwahaha
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QUOTE(kazasho @ Mar 20 2008, 11:44 PM)
mac os also can get pirate software tongue.gif  but ppl dunno n lazy to search

waiting for SPORE..wanna buy it r stringfellw? this game definately buy it ori..bwahaha
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The fact that you make it harder for them to search makes these folks chose Windows instead of Mac, which is good because we can keep the pirates on the other side, not on this side. They smell.

Good games, i'll definitely buy. Helps them make more good games, which in turns gives more enjoyment to me. rclxms.gif
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ooo...i'm definitely buying spore once it comes out...very excited about it. would be the first game i buy on the mac platform...

and also about the iphone coming to singapore, although as far-fetched as it might be, i'm hopeful that it is true... plus singapore already has an apple online store, thus it's easier for apple to extend it for the app store etc. malaysia, on the other hand, is a whole different story... it's sad really...
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I think the App Store is an extension of the iTunes Store, not the Apple Online Store. And when it comes to iTunes Store, Singapore does not have one.

Trust me, i want this as bad as the next guy here, but putting much hope on this, and hoping that Singapore will extend the same courtesy to Malaysia is setting yourself up for a major disappointment.

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