but at least got rm7 - rm8k before 35 yrs old.
if not so hard to survive at KL or city.

yaya agree..!
expectation really can add pressure..if so, sure the couple will argue more often..at last..u know la.
sigh..y wan to expect so many la...happy is important..

haha...

those who thinks its kacang putih to get rm10k/month by age of 30, go on live in your dream world


i bet most of u who said easy, u must either havent work before or just started work in 1-2 years

ler, what kind of thinking is that la............

you can retire at the usual 55 retirement age and live comfortably as long as you work along the lines of having proper savings + smart investments, let's not forget by then if you have kids, they'll be working and contributing to your living as well.



i think you should be the one to THINK about it.

#1 being boss (as in the highest ranked in the company) could actually mean more time and flexibility. cos being employee, also subjective. all are subjective. i've known employees that work 8am to 9pm.

#2 promoted work gets less and less? sure....... but bear in mind more paid to you also mean more required from you. your WORK may be less but EXPECTATIONS on you can be more. you spend less time on paper work and whatever routine your subordinates (such as yourself before) are doing BUT you are required to produce plans, move the plans and the people and like i mentioned earlier - HIGHER EXPECTATIONS.

imagine the amount of pressure.

True, women nowadays have equal opportunity to work and pursue a career.

However, one part that is unfair is that many women who work also do a majority of the house work and child caring (this part is usually not 50/50 share by the men). That means nowadays the women are superwomen, work plus do majority of house work and child care.

LOL
I wonder how true is that. Keep in mind that nowadays many women dont like to look after their child. My mom used to look after kids that why I know. Women who been working for quite some time find it hard to look after their child compared to their work even though a big share of their salary ultimately went to the babysitter pocket.

Honestly speaking 10k a month salary in kl should be able to provide a couple some sort of higher than average lifestyle. Unfortunately with family, children, sad to say that is not enough. Nevertheless, there are plenty earning less than 5k surviving with whole family with home loans, car installment, insurance, daily needs and children expenses.

As for TS your case, I understand on your situation because human are always looking forward and not backwards. I'm actually the same even though my parents give me money to buy civic, branded goods, watches, full overseas education etc, and yet insufficient to me because of comparison to friends who drive luxurious european sports cars etc. Secondary school wear 3k watch, after graduation upgraded to 30k watch and came out to work aim for more expensive tourbillon movement watches, thats because we need improvements. I'm lucky enough as I need not buy cars, need not buy properties as all were provided but still I will say is not enough. and of course I worked in KL city before and have to admit that the cost of living in KL is high such which restricts most people from living in a posh lifestyle. But I'm sure he has to climb the ladder for more but compared to a lot others you are doing good as he draws 10k because while I was working in KL I only earn 3k a month and I forsee that I being a wage earner in KL, is hard to achieve 10k a month by age of 30. Good thing I left KL and work in overseas and I'm saving more than 10k a month and no longer spend as much as those days as I need to save and invest for future also.

I agree. I am 26 now and earning 21k a month. I also left malaysia and work overseas. But you will need to really save and invest for future. If not any uncertainty which you can't forsee, and you be gone.... Thank goodness, that I don't have car. Just bought a house with a house loan and you will really need to save for the future. But of course, I tend to spend a lot as well... Just paying for credit card debts already makes you puke..

At the being of ur business for sure u hv to spend more time on ur own business but when it's on track n stable, u hv much more flexible time.. even on working days u can go on family vacation like my boss..

Let me explain again, i better have a suffer days now rather than at my old age.. n working at age of 60yo as a cleaner o sort (btw at the age of 60, which company wil still hiring u for a stable job? if u r a prof then tat's different) is just a example.. i better hv my retired at tat age n hv long vacation.. o doing something tat i enjoy.. eg. playing wif kids, vacations, bcome volunteer in some charity house, n etcs.. n i mostly wil not depend on my children for giving money n survive.. they hv their own family too n well nowadays life is difficult..

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Added on April 2, 2008, 1:41 pmi just explaining on "i better suffer now rather than at my old age/days"..

Yes, saving + smart investment is come from our hard earned money.. if we r not working hard n try to getting increment in ur salary, how u going to hv ur saving n investment.. we hv many stage to go through in our life n different stage hv different expense to b covered.. by now we r single.. we just need to earn a few thousand ringgit just to make sure all our own expenses is covered.. after tat coming in a gf.. u need to pak tor, u need to celebrate special occasion wif her, n plan for marry.. n so on n on.. if we r earning the same amount of money at the age of 20 n at the age of 30.. how going to survive.. we should looking for better n better life.. not downgrading ourselves..

my point is everyone need to upgrade themselves in their career path to make sure a better lifestyle for he/she n family too.. not to say tat i need my husband to earn at least rm10k when reaching 30yo.. at least his income is sufficient to cover his own expenses n partly contribute to the household..



This post has been edited by @lice~~: Apr 2 2008, 01:41 PM

Has anyone started a poll for guys to vote their salary range before ?

Then, there will be some % for the girls to gauge the realistic income in KL for those who browse LYN
e.g.
<2k
2-4k
4-6k
6-8k
8-10k
10-12k
12-15k
>15k
...

For those working overseas you can't convert and compare to people in Malaysia. Of course your earning (converted basis) would be much higher than locals.

I was actually searching for average Malaysian pay based on profession but somehow saw this thread on the search results Anyway, I'll throw in my 2 cents.

I'm 24 and working right now. Even at a Managerial post I barely earn RM2,000. This is Sabah, FYI, so pay here is not as high as places like KL and such.

If I had a girl, a serious comitted relationship, and definite plans for a future together, I'd think of what kind of lifestyle I want my family to have. In my own personal view, it is very hard to be able to earn a figure of anything more than RM 5k in East Malaysia.

So, go to West? Personally, I don't think I can stand the hectic lifestyle of places like KL... with the jam and the pollution and the unstable working hours. Not to mention the constant ass kissing. Even if the pay was RM 10k a month, it wouldn't be the lifestyle I'd want to live with.

So? I'm moving to Australia and bringing my skills with me. Australia has a serious shortage of skilled people now and they are taking in as many qualified ones as they can. I've lived there for 5 years before so I know they are an equal opportunity people (regardless if you're malay, chinese, indian, viet) and they have very employee oriented work laws.

A starting full-timer at Level 2 roles can get up to AUD$4,000 per month. Living expenses for 2 people per month should not exceed AUD$3,500, but throw in a car and such it might. So 2 people earning AUD$4,000 is very very good, for now and the future.

And as jchong said, don't convert the currencies. Compare each income vs. expense in their own area. Can you earn and keep your earnings every month?

To sum it up, you and your bf, if you're serious, should think outside the box if you are worried of your future. To some people, working and living conditions in Malaysia is acceptable and comfortable. But to people like me, its just not enough. And any sensible guy who is comitted to a serious relationship should think of anyway to make a better life for his significant other and himself

ADD: Just to add... I know I said don't convert the currencies. But when you can save your earnings and finally make that trip back home for visits or holiday, can you imagine just how many places in Malaysia you can afford to go? Probably could stay in Genting for a few weeks...

This post has been edited by Rel Centurica: Apr 2 2008, 04:35 PM

reading this thread gives me pressure oni..mostly all earning more than 5k..

if reading this thread gives you pressure, then you really have to examine your thoughts / mindset.

don't be influenced by it. just go with the flow and do your best to manage your finance and career.

don't let others set the standard for you.

Iphone? wow
Honda Stream? wow
Merz E class? wow
LV bag? wow
LV cloths? wow
3 storey bungalow without fencing? wow
No cow pass by but horse? wow
Gold Master Card? wow
Genting Gold card? wow
Some what i left.?

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Not disagreeing with you, but I do think such comparisons can be healthy if taken from the right perspective.

Comparisons will bring more awareness of what is possible out there. Allows you to know if you're being paid fairly (or being exploited/underpaid). Gives you some motivation to do better (or switch to a better company).

It's well and good to say "do your best" but if there is no reference sometimes it's hard to say if a person is really doing well or just thinks he is doing well.

yes. IF taken from the right perspective. like you mentioned, it allows you to know where you stand and gives motivation - precisely.

he said he felt pressured, i don't think that's viewing from the right perspective already.

nothing wrong with reading what others are doing and setting higher goals in life.

I dont earn more than 5k. I earn 3k nia and already 29.
I dont really think one should stress on how much they can earn. Ppl nowadays dream of having their own car, house, etc etc by age30 bla bla bla. If you can afford, good but when you cant, its also normal. Just ask your parents. When did they first bought their own house? First car? I know so many people that bought cars and houses only to realise that they cant really afford it. Live is so short that its better to live it happily than to indulge myself in the life of materialistic. I do feel happier having a RM4 si-ham-mee or RM10 ikan bakar than dining with my gf in Jogoya. I always went to dinner on my company behalf but I prefer to stay at home having dinner with my gf if I could. Dont let value control your life, instead value your life so that you have no regret.

i shud be earning bout rm7-8k when i'm 30.
btw i'm still a 21 year old student, but i noe where i'll be in when i'm 30, if i don fail my exams and any qualification tests la haha