i guess you don't even understand what i post in the first place.

read carefully.....



note that I did not say 10k at 30 is unrealistic. I said THAT KIND OF EXPECTATION is unrealistic.

get it? surely there are those who make 10k at 30 and there are those who make more but what are the percentage?

but my argument is not about the percentage. my point is that one shouldn't even place such kind of expectation. as long as the guy loves his job, has improvements and can make due - good enough already la.


refer to the above. i'm not saying it's not achievable. i'm saying the EXPECTATION part is unrealistic.

perhaps i misinterpreted you, or perhaps you meant something else - my point is that there's no reason to even EXPECT a guy to earn X amount at Y age.

if he doesn't, what are you going to do? dump him? or be unhappy? or label him failure? I hope not la, I'm not saying you are but I just hope that you won't.

in a relationship, expectation can add pressure. it's unpleasant for the guy part. just be supportive.

Agreed what goldfries say =)

Be a ppl, must got their vision and non-stop to improve and try archieve better life

The partner of him or her must try to support their loved to archieve the vision, doent matter what's the result, still always support him or her

That's much important

dude... if you think with only a mere 10k++ salary a month you can have bungalow, BMW and driver... i think you've not been working very long yet... and have a very very very long way to go... figures never lie, do some calculations

you're a student yourself or at least have been, don't you have any idea how much it cost your parents to give you just education alone from kindergarten till uni? i guess you don't, huh?

the e.g. you gave is very subjective, what kind of comfortability do you think is comfortable? if they are Bumi's, yes 4k per family is kinda doable... they have gov support don't they? how about other races? do you think they get the same privilege?

LOL...

Honestly I do agree with Goldfries that youngster nowadays set limit so high that it end up burdening themselves. Different people have different perspective but dont forget not everyone have the same need. Some people long for money but some long for love and care. For me, of course I will try my best and give the best possible I can afford to my wife n children but deep down, you gotta know that there is nothing materialistic that will ever replace your warm and care. Money is not everything. When you are 50 and you look back at what you have achieve, you wont look at how much you earn and such. What you see will be a lot different than what you think now.

I don't know if this has been brought up before, I'm not going to read all 8 pages just to find out. What you people don't understand is that the more money he earns the less time he has to spend with you. So what if you have a rich boyfriend and all he does is spend all day at the office, all evening entertaining clients at some fancy club with women's breasts all over him and getting pissed drunk?

Think of the CONSEQUENCES, people!

Unless you marry a socialite, which is a fancy word for a lazy ass rich kid with too much money and too many women to choose from. Good luck with that if that's what you plan to do.

everyone has expectations. with expectations come the goal in life. Again, I might be the minority, so ignore me.

once the guy is rich.. they'll start to be a playa... woohoo

I aim for 5k salary before age 30 Hope I can make it lol
Money cannot buy time , appreciate the time you all have now .

It's not necessary that the guy will always be the employee.. one day he can b the boss too.. yes, most properly he have no much time for the partner now but anyway better tat we suffer now n enjoy at old days.. i dun wan when i m at my age of 60 yo i still hv to work hard at factory/some cleaning jobs to survive..

LOL...

I dont know how well you will be able to keep your health at but working hard at 60yo, I do have serious doubt on your capability. Hahahaha....

I think what some of us wanna point out is that money although is important but not necessary the deciding factor in your search for happiness. Example, even if you drive a BMW and live in a bungalows, what does it mean for your wive and children? Its meaningless. Your child doesnt know the value of it nor your wife will be happier sitting in a BMW than on your laps. I didnt say we shouldnt work hard and try to earn as much as possible when we were young, but rather we must know there's a limit to everything. One must find a balance point where he can try to earn as much as possible and yet be able to spent precious time with his loves one. Money cant buy time... thats for sure...

It's the BOSS part that is bad, get it? Being an employee is tough, but once you get promoted to a certain level, your work gets less and less and less. Being a BOSS is much much much more worst as an employee! Many of my Auntie's and Uncle's are like suddenly opening their own business or becoming some CEO are having wayyyyyyyyyyy less time than they ever had as a normal employee! Think about it!

THAT IS WHY, it is important to find a job which you are passionate in! Scrubbing dishes and work hard sounds like a job you are totally FORCED too. If you work in a job you enjoy, you will never get bored!

This post has been edited by Jaroque: Apr 1 2008, 08:01 PM

omg...if i had a gf that expect me to earn 10k before im 30, id give her a slap before dumping her.

wth man, ridiculous the things that goes on in a girls mind.

Earning 10k by 30 is difficult and rare but not impossible. But let's talk about a more realistic scenario first:

1. Start working age 22 with salary of 2.5k.
2. Assume annual increment around 6%
3. After 8 years by age 30, salary would only be around 4.1k

Of course if you job hop, say twice in that 8 years, the figure could be up to 4.5k - 5k. I believe a majority of people fall in this category.

Is it possible to earn more? Yes, and I'll give example of something I know about, i.e. lawyer with a medium/big firm in KL.

1. Start working age 24 with salary of 2.5k (lawyer would start later since need to do CLP and chambering)
2. Increments are much higher. In one place, the increment structure some years back was 500, 500, 900, 900, and higher...
3. So by 30, salary would be around 7k - 7.5k

10k by 30 is really exceptional...

Whether a certain amount of salary is enough or not depends on the lifestyle and comforts you want to have.

I know a lot of couples in KL surviving on 6k - 8k combined income by the time they are 30 (they will mainly be semi-professionals). But it's not a luxurious lifestyle. Will have one car each, probably Proton. A basic 2-storey house or condo (maybe even renting). Frugal with monthly expenses, but may indulge in something (e.g. travel, etc) maybe once/twice a year.

The reality is living in KL is quite expensive.

how old are u and ur partner?

earning 4.6k(basic) now... if OT "kau" then exceed 5k... and i'm very optimistic to break rm5k basic before i reach age 30

yeah, 4K income is really comfortable...how?? very easy...

tuition fees is extra things... Without tuition, can save a lot...
electricity?? Can be saved...no need to install air cond....
No need to install Astro, every month can save a lot....
Use motobike for travelling...can save a lot...for eg. petrol....toll...maintenance

see....it also a comfortable life...

Good for you! Hope you achieve your goal.

yaya i agree..money is important but i don think money is the most important..
got a lots of things tat money couldn't buy, tat's LOVE.
if he is good n love u, y wan to care so much..i'm not mean no income at all..
mayb both of u n him can earn money 2gth rite?

the world now is fair between girl n guy..
it doesn't mean tat guy must earn money n girl stay at home do all the housework n take k of the child only..

hahaha..yea!
a lot ppl demanding for luxury life now..
kinda headache!