Attached is the story, I've censored some vulgar words and swearing

My car is a 1998 Kancil btw, 850cc manual.

Some facts :
1. I've changed my timing belt at 120k km, when the belt snaps it was 160k km. Weird, coz my timing belt should last for 80k km - how come it snapped after running for 40k km?
2. Once the timing belt snaps (heard kalak kalak sound), I straight turn off engine and rolled into a workshop 2 shops away from my grandma place, so didn't overhaul.
3. When the mechanic fixing, I saw that he is not so experienced in changing timing belt. He even asked some friends to come and see, and help, but they all also dunno how to fix. Then one of his friend come and use sandpaper to rub the tensioner bearings (I googled it up) middle part, then forcefully stuck it in.
4. Mechanic started it up, I was in front of the car. Saw the part where the fan, valve, engine part went senget.

And so, I googled again :
If you allowed the timing to become misaligned while you changed the belt, you have a serious problem on your hands. Either correct the error, or consult a mechanic. Do not operate a vehicle with incorrect timing, as serious internal engine damage could occur. (source)

If this is what happened to my car, I wonder what parts are spoilt.

I have sent my car to the workshop 3 times today to get my car fixed :
First time : After he fixed the senget part and returned the car to me, my car easily died when I was idle. So I returned the car to him.
Second time : After he fixed the "died when idle" problem, I took back the car. But it's very shaky, as if I can see two steerings when I was driving So I returned to him and ask him to check on the mounting.
Third time : Engine oil leaking Sent back to fix. Just got it back yesterday and haven't bring it out for a long journey test drive.

So my question to sifu sifu here : Are there anything else that I missed out and haven't check? My car is still shaky and no power. I have to use gear 2 to naik the same bukit which I always use gear 4 to naik.

P/S : Idle RPM at 1k.


Details of the shop.
Siang Hin Tayar Sdn Bhd - Webpage
347, Jln Tun Razak,
50400 Kuala Lumpur
Tel:03-92858615 Fax:03-92859117

The mechanic who screwed up my car no longer working there. Now a fat guy mechanic is handling the fixing resurrection of my car.
I found something
Satria Neo on fire, same work shop


A little update.
My logs :
8 Mar - Sent to Siang Hin for service at 12pm. Went to lunch from 1pm to 2pm. Observe the fixing from 2pm onwards. Saw with my own eyes they screwed up at 5pm.
10 Mar - Collect the car at 7pm. Test drive during traffic jam from Siang Hin Jln Tun Razak road to Jalan Loke Yew, car died when idle at the ramp up to UE3. Died during idle another time near the junction to my place.
11 Mar - Sent back to workshop to fix the die when idle problem.
12 Mar - Took back the car at 6pm.
13 Mar - Noticed engine oil leakage. Sent back to workshop.
14 Mar - Took back car, bring back to apt. Get a mechanic friend to help me check, valve is unchanged, no overhaul is done. Pissed off.
16 Mar - Back from outstation. Sent car to workshop.
17 Mar - Took back car. They claimed that overhaul is done. Noticed the RPM is way higher than normal. Sent back to workshop.
18 Mar - Took back car. RPM stable at 1 this time. Test drive in traffic jam and on highways. Still shaky when reach 90kmph.
24 Mar - Still no power and shaky, ask mechanic friend to help me see. He said no overhaul is done and I'm taken for a ride. And my engine oil left half tank only! The oil is leaking from valve bearing!
25 Mar - Sent to workshop together with my mechanic friend. They discussed things that is damaged and need change. Left it there.
27 Mar - Went to collect car with mechanic friend. Overhaul is done, leakage is fixed. Still gonna test drive for a few days.
2 Apr - Send back to workshop, engine oil leakage is significant when engine is hot.
3 Apr - Got back my car, they fixed the valve bearing again. Let's test drive and see how it goes.

This post has been edited by suiteng: Apr 4 2008, 02:32 PM

Checked the valve springs, it's kinda loose. And I can tarik it up and down about 1cm. Is it normal?

Mountings already checked and it seems ok (externally). I told the mechanic to check on the mounting during the 2nd time I sent it back to the shop.

About engine oil leak from where, I need to ask the mechanic again. Will update later.

Yup, they are fixing my car for me FOC until I'm satisfied with it. And they already fired the mechanic who screwed up my car. This mechanic is a different guy, seems like more experienced.

If I bring it to another workshop means I have to pay again. So I'll keep on sending it back to the workshop for checking until I cannot tahan then only will send to another workshop, see how la..

P/S : Now I'm worried about the valve

Condemn? Dun scare me..

I'll ask the mechanic again tonite on the oil leakage, will update later.

About shaky car, the vibration only starts when my car is STATIONARY. And the noise is not consistent. It's like "dek dek dek dek dek" quiet down, "vroom", then "dek dek dek dek dek", repeat. Never been like this when my car was healthy. I feel like I'm driving a very old car now.

About smells or smoke I'm not sure.. smells of cigarette now

I'll monitor the RPM after work when I go home.

Erm.. they had fired the mechanic who screwed up my car. But I will post the name of the shop if the experienced mechanic also cannot get my car back to normal again.

Your car noisy for how long already? What kinda sound it emits?

Permaisuri is near my place If checking only got charge me wan ma?

My car also moving like turtle now. Pad misaligned? Ok will take note of the handbrake area later.

Step 1 - Ok later bukak bonnet.
Step 2 - how to check this? Ask mechanic?
Step 3 - what those squirrels eat?

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Added on March 14, 2008, 2:56 pmShop details in first page.

This post has been edited by suiteng: Mar 14 2008, 02:56 PM

Half bucket water. No choice. If I go other place I need to pay

That's why I'm asking advise from sifu sifu here

Aih... just checked.

Idle RPM naik after they fix the engine oil leakage.

Without aircond = 1.5
With aircond = 1

I wonder why, last time idle at 1 with and without aircond.

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Added on March 14, 2008, 11:58 pmI'm going outstation tomolo, will update when I'm back on Monday.

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Added on March 14, 2008, 11:59 pmNo, I'm not driving my car outstation

This post has been edited by suiteng: Mar 14 2008, 11:59 PM

Aiks... dun dare to simply play with the setting later kaput

I'm back in KL~ Tomolo go find mechanic~

Back from shop. I got a feeling that it's still the same. Still shaky. I tried to bring it up to 90kmph... lagi shaky Last time I can go 140kmph without a problem wan

Yalo uncle Taken for a ride here. But if I go other shop to fix, I need to pay extra again. If I go back to the same shop, no expertise there.

Can I like, bring it to other shop on the cost of Siang Hin?

Yeah, including the Neo which caught fire after getting service from Siang Hin also. I just found out after searching uncle google

BTW, the shop say that if I wanna fix also must fix at Siang Hin only. They dun give option for me to go find specialist and put it at their cost

Based on their workmanship / expertise, I dun think my car can recover

I did complained and asked the consumer parties, they said since Siang Hin willing to bear the cost of fixing then let them fix until I'm satisfied. But then no matter how they fix, it seems like they are making my car worst!

Last time can go up to 140kmph no shaking. Now 90kmph already shaking like crazy. Alignment tuned already (by the same shop). If like not alignment problem how come it will shake?

Another problem I encountered today. Remember I mentioned it's idle at 1.5k rpm without aircond?

Today I drove and this is the reading at 2nd gear. Notice the engine part, the needle not moving. I've been driving for a long distance to work and the engine temperature remains at cold.

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Added on March 18, 2008, 2:03 pmP/S : Also notice that RPM is very high. Normally with RM40 worth of petrol I can go like 300km. Now with the same amount RM40 worth of petrol I can only travel 200km. Timing is totally out.

This post has been edited by suiteng: Mar 18 2008, 02:03 PM

It's very screwed up since FC went bad. Checking with tribunal.

So be reminded to get a mechanic who knows what he's doing. Dun get one like mine who further damage my car

Depends. Some is 40k (not sure in market still got or not), some 60k, some 80k some 100k. Maybe it's better you bring it to workshop to check if you don't have the expertise

Yeah, they did said to fix my car for free. But no matter how they fix it, it seems like they are dragging the time until it to finish warranty (they give 1 month warranty).

I have no choice but to complain to tribunal. Waiting for them to process the claim to change the engine, valve, mounting etc is taking ages. And those siang hin fellers are just dragging the time and didn't change anything.

Seems like I sent the car to workshop is for decoration only, they are not changing anything!

A little update. I sent my car to my personal mechanic, it's confirmed that they never change the engine or valve. Even the mounting is screwed.

So I took the car back to Siang Hin on Sunday, told them that I need the valve and engine to be changed or at least fixed. Coz if I continue to have low power and high FC like this it will continue giving me problem and I will continue sending it back and it's not good for both of us.

Siang Hin feller : But we have changed the valves for you.
Me : Nope, my friend is a mechanic, he checked and even show me that the valve is not changed, or maybe you guys bought scraps to replace and it is doing my car no good. I want it to be replaced with new parts because it is your workshop's fault that my car end up in this condition.
Siang Hin feller : We will consider. (that means he admit that he cheat me la)
Me : I wanna speak to your boss.
Siang Hin boss : I am the boss (a lady)
Me : Alright, so your boys spoilt my car, I need the valves to be changed or at least fixed. (repeat the problem above)
Siang Hin boss : We shall take responsibility.
Me : Alright.

Few minutes later.

Siang Hin feller : Miss, your car leak black oil, need to refill.
Me : How come leaking? Last time you guys fixed it ma.
Siang Hin feller : (totally ignore my question) Miss, you wanna buy which black oil?
Me : Why should I buy when you guys are the one who spoilt it? It never leak until you guys lay hands on it.
Siang Hin boss : Miss, changing timing belt have nothing to do with black oil.
Me : When I sent my car back for the third time, it's already leaking. (calling my mechanic - he said yes, it might caused rupture when timing belt pulled my engine senget)
Siang Hin boss : We will not fix the leakage.
Me : Alright, I'll make sure I update the tribunal.

And now my car is still with me, still leaking engine oil. Waiting for tribunal to do things would be very long. Valve not changed. No complete overhaul. Blah..... life sucks for me now.

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Added on March 25, 2008, 9:47 amI found something
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/628644

This post has been edited by suiteng: Mar 25 2008, 09:47 AM

Yeah, I bought a new car. But still wanna fix this wan. And my mindset is "just fix my damm car!" They are the one who screwed it up!

What's the different between rubber hose and brake hose?

They already have bad repo, just that I didn't google before going It's near my house ma...

I think changing tayar and small service is no problem. Dun let them touch your engine can already

Senior Manager from the HQ called me ask me to send my car there. So I'm sending it after work

Let's see how things goes

I rather bring my whole gang along Got

Just sent to HQ yesterday. Will update again. If got anything the SM himself will call me wor.. but I doubt it.

Wah thanks for all the info. I'm not sure about halfcut engine but they said the have already done top overhaul. But based on suggestions here, overhaul takes days.. but I sent there for 1 day only gao dim. Maybe I got cheated?

1. Noted, will tell the mechanic. So far checked valve and mounting only. Didn't mention tappet

2. Timing belt teeth - broken teeth? Means the roda like thing izzit?

3. Noted. Already asked them to check on the tuning.

4. Mounting memang sudah broken. They said changed already but it's still vibrating. Told the HQ, waiting for result.

On his bill, no problem

My logs :
8 Mar - Sent to Siang Hin for service at 12pm. Went to lunch from 1pm to 2pm. Observe the fixing from 2pm onwards. Saw with my own eyes they screwed up at 5pm.
10 Mar - Collect the car at 7pm. Test drive during traffic jam from Siang Hin Jln Tun Razak road to Jalan Loke Yew, car died when idle at the ramp up to UE3. Died during idle another time near the junction to my place.
11 Mar - Sent back to workshop to fix the die when idle problem.
12 Mar - Took back the car at 6pm.
13 Mar - Noticed engine oil leakage. Sent back to workshop.
14 Mar - Took back car, bring back to apt. Get a mechanic friend to help me check, valve is unchanged, no overhaul is done. Pissed off.
16 Mar - Back from outstation. Sent car to workshop.
17 Mar - Took back car. They claimed that overhaul is done. Noticed the RPM is way higher than normal. Sent back to workshop.
18 Mar - Took back car. RPM stable at 1 this time. Test drive in traffic jam and on highways. Still shaky when reach 90kmph.
24 Mar - Still no power and shaky, ask mechanic friend to help me see. He said no overhaul is done and I'm taken for a ride. And my engine oil left half tank only! The oil is leaking from valve bearing!
25 Mar - Sent to workshop together with my mechanic friend. They discussed things that is damaged and need change. Left it there.
27 Mar - Went to collect car with mechanic friend. Overhaul is done, leakage is fixed. Still gonna test drive for a few days.
2 Apr - Send back to workshop, engine oil leakage is significant when engine is hot.
3 Apr - Got back my car, they fixed the valve bearing again. Let's test drive and see how it goes.

This post has been edited by suiteng: Apr 4 2008, 09:52 AM

No leh...

Noticed leakage when engine is hot. Aih...