Attached is the story, I've censored some vulgar words and swearing

My car is a 1998 Kancil btw, 850cc manual.

Some facts :
1. I've changed my timing belt at 120k km, when the belt snaps it was 160k km. Weird, coz my timing belt should last for 80k km - how come it snapped after running for 40k km?
2. Once the timing belt snaps (heard kalak kalak sound), I straight turn off engine and rolled into a workshop 2 shops away from my grandma place, so didn't overhaul.
3. When the mechanic fixing, I saw that he is not so experienced in changing timing belt. He even asked some friends to come and see, and help, but they all also dunno how to fix. Then one of his friend come and use sandpaper to rub the tensioner bearings (I googled it up) middle part, then forcefully stuck it in.
4. Mechanic started it up, I was in front of the car. Saw the part where the fan, valve, engine part went senget.

And so, I googled again :
If you allowed the timing to become misaligned while you changed the belt, you have a serious problem on your hands. Either correct the error, or consult a mechanic. Do not operate a vehicle with incorrect timing, as serious internal engine damage could occur. (source)

If this is what happened to my car, I wonder what parts are spoilt.

I have sent my car to the workshop 3 times today to get my car fixed :
First time : After he fixed the senget part and returned the car to me, my car easily died when I was idle. So I returned the car to him.
Second time : After he fixed the "died when idle" problem, I took back the car. But it's very shaky, as if I can see two steerings when I was driving So I returned to him and ask him to check on the mounting.
Third time : Engine oil leaking Sent back to fix. Just got it back yesterday and haven't bring it out for a long journey test drive.

So my question to sifu sifu here : Are there anything else that I missed out and haven't check? My car is still shaky and no power. I have to use gear 2 to naik the same bukit which I always use gear 4 to naik.

P/S : Idle RPM at 1k.


Details of the shop.
Siang Hin Tayar Sdn Bhd - Webpage
347, Jln Tun Razak,
50400 Kuala Lumpur
Tel:03-92858615 Fax:03-92859117

The mechanic who screwed up my car no longer working there. Now a fat guy mechanic is handling the fixing resurrection of my car.
I found something
Satria Neo on fire, same work shop


A little update.
My logs :
8 Mar - Sent to Siang Hin for service at 12pm. Went to lunch from 1pm to 2pm. Observe the fixing from 2pm onwards. Saw with my own eyes they screwed up at 5pm.
10 Mar - Collect the car at 7pm. Test drive during traffic jam from Siang Hin Jln Tun Razak road to Jalan Loke Yew, car died when idle at the ramp up to UE3. Died during idle another time near the junction to my place.
11 Mar - Sent back to workshop to fix the die when idle problem.
12 Mar - Took back the car at 6pm.
13 Mar - Noticed engine oil leakage. Sent back to workshop.
14 Mar - Took back car, bring back to apt. Get a mechanic friend to help me check, valve is unchanged, no overhaul is done. Pissed off.
16 Mar - Back from outstation. Sent car to workshop.
17 Mar - Took back car. They claimed that overhaul is done. Noticed the RPM is way higher than normal. Sent back to workshop.
18 Mar - Took back car. RPM stable at 1 this time. Test drive in traffic jam and on highways. Still shaky when reach 90kmph.
24 Mar - Still no power and shaky, ask mechanic friend to help me see. He said no overhaul is done and I'm taken for a ride. And my engine oil left half tank only! The oil is leaking from valve bearing!
25 Mar - Sent to workshop together with my mechanic friend. They discussed things that is damaged and need change. Left it there.
27 Mar - Went to collect car with mechanic friend. Overhaul is done, leakage is fixed. Still gonna test drive for a few days.
2 Apr - Send back to workshop, engine oil leakage is significant when engine is hot.
3 Apr - Got back my car, they fixed the valve bearing again. Let's test drive and see how it goes.

This post has been edited by suiteng: Apr 4 2008, 02:32 PM

check valve springs and if your valve's have floated.
check engine mountings.

@suiteng, engine oil leak from where ? catchment tank ? or main block ?

Why still visting the same workshop?

If you know their "kung fu" limited...

some sort of warranty?

Your assumption?

my assumption:
ts has to go back to the same workshop because they are the one who were trying to fix it for her. any problem sure go back to them.. if she goes to another shop, she has to pay again...

to ts:
i dont know if the timing is aligned correct. a shaky car is scary... i suggest you rather go to another shop than waste time and damage the engine.

read above

ditto!

Checked the valve springs, it's kinda loose. And I can tarik it up and down about 1cm. Is it normal?

Mountings already checked and it seems ok (externally). I told the mechanic to check on the mounting during the 2nd time I sent it back to the shop.

About engine oil leak from where, I need to ask the mechanic again. Will update later.

Yup, they are fixing my car for me FOC until I'm satisfied with it. And they already fired the mechanic who screwed up my car. This mechanic is a different guy, seems like more experienced.

If I bring it to another workshop means I have to pay again. So I'll keep on sending it back to the workshop for checking until I cannot tahan then only will send to another workshop, see how la..

P/S : Now I'm worried about the valve

its no big deal when valve floats, whole engine condemn oni.

yes your springs are supposed to recoil and thats normal.

also check your teppet. if oil leaks thru your gasket, its normal, change gasket cheap cheap oni.
if oil leak thru sum crack ,then u're done for as well.

let me ask u in detail again so we can help identify your cause

u said your car was shaky. is shaky as in strong vibrations when car is STATIONARY or moving ?
any sounds u unfamiliar of (meaning that u've never heard b4 when your car was healthy)?
any smells or smoke u're unfamiliar of ?

you could also check your timing on the RPM meter to see if it falls below the 500 mark. with and without air cond.
sometimes in order to diagnose something, u need to be a lil bit more precise. as much information given will further aid our understanding.

and last request - post the name of the shop so we will not set foot there.

I have a 1998 Kancil 850cc but AUTO lah...

And I did encounter issue with Timing Belt problem. The funny thing about this timing belt is, instead of SNAPPED, the groove on the belt became botak and thus the belt got certain parts are smooth, no rubber ridge groove...

It happened while I heading to Section 17 PJ, but the engine suddenly dead in front of Eastin's BHP Petrol station. A few good Samaritan help me to push the car to the Petrol Kiosk.

The thing is, after the change of timing belt, my engine is quite noisy, at least noisier than before as if something not right. I was considered lucky because those valve in there not crooked due to misalignment or some sort.

I think in your case, best that you send it to a trustworthy workshop for a thorough check. Where'd you staying? I know one place at Bandar Tasik Permaisuri there where I send my car to repair and service.

recently changed my car timing belt..

car is moving like turtle..totally no power...rpm was high since the car wont move...once the car stop hard to move it...


problem solved : due to the one of the pad (according to mechanic) misaligned as such the computer board unable to receive the signal...so gearbox got prob..


if u notice, the handbrake area very hot

Condemn? Dun scare me..

I'll ask the mechanic again tonite on the oil leakage, will update later.

About shaky car, the vibration only starts when my car is STATIONARY. And the noise is not consistent. It's like "dek dek dek dek dek" quiet down, "vroom", then "dek dek dek dek dek", repeat. Never been like this when my car was healthy. I feel like I'm driving a very old car now.

About smells or smoke I'm not sure.. smells of cigarette now

I'll monitor the RPM after work when I go home.

Erm.. they had fired the mechanic who screwed up my car. But I will post the name of the shop if the experienced mechanic also cannot get my car back to normal again.

Your car noisy for how long already? What kinda sound it emits?

Permaisuri is near my place If checking only got charge me wan ma?

u shud post so we wont go there and kena the same thing.

dekdekdekdek sounds like misfiring. troubleshooting guide step 1 - check cables from distri to spark plugs and make sure they are in proper order.
step 2 - misaligned cams also give that dekdekdekdek sound.
step 3 - check for squirrels. they might be holding miniature hammers and annoying u. do not feed them. they will eventually go away.

My car also moving like turtle now. Pad misaligned? Ok will take note of the handbrake area later.

Step 1 - Ok later bukak bonnet.
Step 2 - how to check this? Ask mechanic?
Step 3 - what those squirrels eat?

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Added on March 14, 2008, 2:56 pmShop details in first page.

This post has been edited by suiteng: Mar 14 2008, 02:56 PM

wat da....suddenly become joke thread

just wanna share my experience here. I once changed my timing belt at Rally Auto in Damansara Utama. There wasn't any issue at all after fixing the new timing belt. But the next time I visit (few days later), the mechanic was looking around the engine area and asked for some of my time. He then parked my car inside and started fixing something on the timing belt...he wouldn't mention what the problem was. Anyway, after 15 minutes...he started to take a hammer and hammered the damn thing the hammering continued on forever (at least if felt that way ) BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG. I think he then gave up halfway and fixed everything back. It looked like he left it 80-90% complete. Till today, there was no problem with the timing belt. So, moral of the story is...err...its erm...well...nevermind

I did read... but let's wait TS to clarify.

I do not assume.

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Added on March 14, 2008, 4:22 pmTo TS,

If they have experieneced mech, why until now your car still cacat?

This post has been edited by thunderbird: Mar 14 2008, 04:22 PM

Half bucket water. No choice. If I go other place I need to pay

That's why I'm asking advise from sifu sifu here

Siang Hin fellas only know how to change oil, perform routine service & change tires.

Things involving engine shouldn't let them touch.

By the way, timing belt snap could be due to 3 major reasons.
1) Imitation parts
2) Improper installation
3) Oil seal leaking - the oil affect the tension & corrode the surface/structure of the belt.

Aih... just checked.

Idle RPM naik after they fix the engine oil leakage.

Without aircond = 1.5
With aircond = 1

I wonder why, last time idle at 1 with and without aircond.

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Added on March 14, 2008, 11:58 pmI'm going outstation tomolo, will update when I'm back on Monday.

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Added on March 14, 2008, 11:59 pmNo, I'm not driving my car outstation

This post has been edited by suiteng: Mar 14 2008, 11:59 PM

That hapens to my car too, but if im not mistaken its just the idle screw settings behind, very minor adjustments can solve it.

Hopefully its that prob la lol, cause if it is, ur prob shud be solved