QUOTE(manatee0505 @ Mar 25 2008, 09:32 AM)
my my just one question have u actually tried any of this so called scalar enhanced products before?? i dont believe u have for if u have actually used one of this u would not come out with such disparaging remarks. of course u will again say why should i try tell me how it works if no one can tell me how it works then it is bullshit. well that;s your opinion u r entitled to your opinion of course. u say all this is baseless then do u have on your part any scientific facts/evidence to say that such products are fake can u prove they are fake?? how did u come to a conclusion that it is fake?
for all those who are more open minded n would like to know more. do look at www.fusionexcel.com they have the latest update on such "scalar energy products" and for those who know dr. masaru emoto a world renowned scientist n author of books like "messages from water", "the true power of water", "the hidden messages in water" . he has team up with fusionexcel n will conduct a series of seminars later part of this year in malaysia. now i m a very simple logical person if such products are fake wonder what's a famous scientist would associate himself n volunteer himself in the "cheated" list only to destroy his own reputation n bring himself shame not only to himself but to his country japan n the whole world as well. funny isn;t it. well maybe perhaps dr. emoto is too old now n he is a bit senile n was brainwashed yeah. what do the rest have to say.
do check out the website.
no wonder the 80:20 pareto principle will always stay true.
FYI, Dr Emoto have been considered a fraud and a practitioner of pseudo-science by mainstream scientists because his "scientific papers" are fairytales and non-scientific mumbo-jumbo. It's Dr. Emoto who came up with hypothesis that water molecules clump together in hexagon shapes (which they don't), that water can store frequency information (which it doesn't), that water can store energy signatures (it doesn't), etc.
It's all rubbish for the simple reason that water is chaotic. Can you use electromagnetism to "structure" smoke, and ensure that smoke maintains the same pattern from one point to another a few metres away? Any science student who knows what Brownian Motion is can easily tell you "NO!". Fluids and gases do not and cannot retain any form of organized structure simply because of the way they handle kinetic energy, and due to the constant dipole repulsion between their constituent molecules in the case of non-noble fluids and gases. In the case of noble gases and fluids, like argon gas or liquid helium, the situation is different because at low temperatures they behave like bosons that exhibit a wave characteristic. For room-temperature materials, absolutely not.
FYI, I had my ex-colleague egging me to join Quest International some time back. He took me to one of their cult-like seminar sessions, and after that we had teh tarik with his upline, and his upline's upline (who is one of the QI big shot's direct downline). I forgot his name, but he's a singh who hangs around Datuk Vijay sometimes. They tried to sign me up and sell me the stupid BioDisc fraud. They were making all sorts of wild claims about it, saying that it has an energy field that can recharge your body, that this energy field can even pass through lead and concrete, etc. At that point, my Bullshit Meter was hitting the redline.
And to "prove" it, they ordered two glasses of plain water from the mamak shop. They put one glass over the pendant, and another elsewhere. They said that the glass that's sitting on the pendant will be charged but the one not on the pendant won't, and after ten minutes I should be able to discern that there's a difference in taste.
After 10 minutes, they picked up the glasses, each of them tasted the water and said "Yup, there's a difference". They looked at each other, nodded, and told me the difference is obvious. I tasted it myself, there's no difference whatsoever. I told them I don't taste any difference, and they said "Because you're not used to the taste of energized water yet". So I asked them, "Isn't this disc supposed to be an infinite energy source, and it's energy can penetrate lead and concrete and stuff like that?" and they said yes. So I asked "Then how come it doesn't affect the other glass of water that's sitting 1 foot away from it, rather than on top of it? If this radiation source is really non-Newtonian and doesn't abide by the inverse-square law from what you guys describe, then both glasses of water should experience the same radiation density and should be affected identically".
At that point they kept quiet.
And then the singh just said "You'll have to buy it to try it out yourself.. after a few days, you'll be convinced."
So I asked my pal, "May I borrow yours for a few days?" and predictably, he said "No man, I need to recharge myself everyday. Why don't you sign up and get yourself one?" And of course, he pointed me to the BioDisc website (that's full of nonsense) to be "convinced of the science behind it". Needless to say, the dumb BioDisc website is full of rubbish, citing Maxwell's equations as the origin of scalar energy. FYI, the character that looks like "p" is the greek alphabet "rho", and us engineering students have dealt with Maxwell equations often enough. It doesn't represent scalar energy density, it represents ELECTRICAL CHARGE DENSITY and the measurement unit is just Coulombs per cubic metre! There goes your "science".
Conclusion? It's a scam, and the effects are in the heads of the users. Furthermore, this BioDisc isn't some breakthrough invention to help people cure diseases, it's just another money-making scam. Even the sellers are more interested in making money than to convince people.
There is no science behind the BioDisc (and other scalar energy stuff like it). All the statements behind them are false and nonsensical. It's purely something borne out of placebo effect. Instead of selling you a breakthrough, they're just selling you hope.. and for a grossly overinflated price at that.
Added on March 25, 2008, 2:55 pm
http://www.its.caltech.edu/~atomic/snowcrystals/myths/myths.htmhttp://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=511382http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masaru_EmotoThis post has been edited by jswong: Mar 25 2008, 02:55 PM