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aiman04
post Apr 15 2008, 07:23 PM

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QUOTE(sunauto @ Apr 15 2008, 07:00 PM)
You can temporarily use PLIIX on your amp to get 7.1 matrixed. Have you tried playing any movies with PCM 7.1, does your amp read them as 7.1 or 5.1?

Hmm ...... Megatron ...... how about you, DTS-MA 7.1 will show 5.1 or 7.1 with your Denon amp?
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Yes, I got 3:10 to Yuma and it's showing 7.1.

You can look around the net, it's the problem with the encoder within PS3. Everyone around the world is having this problem with New Line titles with DTS-HD MA 7.1. No matter what kind of receiver they use.

The New Line montage, which is also DTS-HD MA 7.1, shows correctly on both discs. It's the DTS system setup which PS3 fails to output correctly as 7.1 even though it recognizes it.
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post Apr 15 2008, 09:17 PM

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Someone at the AVS forum has found a workaround:

QUOTE(InfamousM)
Well I figured out that if I go to sound settings and manually disable all 5.1 pcm frequencies then I get 7.1. I hope Sony does something about this. I don't like the idea of messing around with the sound formats when I watch various blu ray movies.


So now we can still listen to 7.1 DTS-HD MA on New Line titles! thumbup.gif

But then you have to go back and set the settings automatic again to get 5.1 PCM channels. doh.gif

This is the same problem when listening to 2-channel audio from audio CD or XMB, where you have to turn off all the 5.1 and 7.1 PCM options.

Let's hope the update to fix this is coming soon. Come on, Sony, you need to QC first before you release something (maybe they don't have New Line BDs?). I work with software company, listening to clients complaining about bugs is not fun.
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post Apr 16 2008, 08:05 AM

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QUOTE(megatron007 @ Apr 16 2008, 07:13 AM)
Good Morning Everyone

anymore fantastic review on our new "baby" DTS HD MA ? tongue.gif
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Morning,

I will only do a full test this weekend. But I can already give my preliminary conclusion:

DTS-HD Master Audio is the best lossless sound I've eve heard! rclxms.gif

The incredible difference I noticed, 3x deeper bass, more details in the surround channels, and the sound image very accurate, it is so enveloping that the hairs on my neck stood up!

It's so unique, the sound is so powerful, but yet my cheap speakers delivers effortlessly. Unlike the PCM BDs, if set the volume loud, I can notice my speakers working hard. Strange, in a good way that is.

DTS is the real thing. Kudos to them. Who needs THX certification anymore? tongue.gif

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QUOTE(apisgogo @ Apr 16 2008, 09:05 AM)
my fren,

u able to hear the back surround of pans? i mean do u found a way to play it all 7.1 channel?
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Yes, there's a workaround. biggrin.gif

1. Go to BD settings in PS3, audio settings.
2. Select HDMI out, select manual instead of automatic.
3. Select all except for the 5.1 PCM frequencies.
4. Enter and finish.

But then, you can't get 5.1 channel audio formats if you set this. So after you watched your Pan's Labyrinth or any other New Line titles, go back to the settings and set it back to automatic. sweat.gif

I really really hope Sony will provide a fix very, very soon!


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QUOTE(edvpc @ Apr 16 2008, 09:31 AM)
i never owned 7.1 movie so far... sweat.gif
but i just ordered WAR with PCM 7.1... tongue.gif that error is just for New Line titles?bro u got any 7.1 PCM movies?
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Yup, only New Line titles, with DTS-HD MA 7.1.

3.10 to Yuma got 7.1 PCM, no problems at all. My receiver is showing 7.1 channels, and I can hear my surround back channel sound without doing any matrix. This movie also nice audio, you'll hear gunshots flying all over your living room, rear left to right, rear left to front right, front to surround back, and the other way aorund. So lively. Imagine if it's also DTS-HD MA... drool.gif
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QUOTE(rx330 @ Apr 16 2008, 12:42 PM)
juno is nice biggrin.gif
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If RX says this, that means it must got (.)(. ) ! laugh.gif
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QUOTE(apisgogo @ Apr 16 2008, 12:52 PM)
i tot juno is a film abt teenage pregnancy... got (.) (  .) also?
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Ask RX. whistling.gif

Haven't seen the movie. But, naturally a girl must show her (.)(. ) first before she can get pregnant. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(apisgogo @ Apr 16 2008, 01:16 PM)
damn, i almost clicked confirm order for 5 BDs just now..

kena pukau i guess..

hahahah
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Why stopped? Easy ma... Click only, done! brows.gif
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QUOTE(rx330 @ Apr 16 2008, 01:26 PM)
pls lar braders.... juno is an amazing movie
no (.)(. ) one
but a nice watch with the missus
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Is that really you RX? hmm.gif

Just to prove that this is you, can you explain what "ringjob" means? I'm worried somebody hacked your ID. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(rx330 @ Apr 16 2008, 01:36 PM)
ringjob means u got a job to do a ring

rimjob means another thing do blush.gif
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Erk, I still got it wrong, I can never learn this thing. So it's rim not ring... doh.gif

All right RX, that is you... And still the master as usual. notworthy.gif
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post Apr 16 2008, 01:50 PM

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Why cabut, megatron chasing you from behind? whistling.gif

Somebody please intervene and bring this thread back on track please! It's running wild now! tongue.gif
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post Apr 16 2008, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(rx330 @ Apr 16 2008, 01:54 PM)
ok, here an update
tested protege last nite, it has pcm, dts hdma, and dolby ex
previously, pcm as very very very soft, i really need to crank up to even hear them speak
during yesterday test, the pcm was okie liao, standard loudness, and i switched to dts hdma, liek macam abit better
the audio abit stronger than pcm, not bad

tested diehard 3.0 as well, selected bitstream to run DTS and then linear for hd ma, noticeable difference, but no hoo haa

as edvpc goes, PCM FTW!!!!!!!!!!
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Of course PCM FTW. Whatever came from PS3 is PCM if you set the output as that. Even when you watch in DTS-HD MA! tongue.gif

Don't test with old titles la, test with Shoot 'Em Up and Live Free or Die Hard then you'll see (or hear) what I mean. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(rx330 @ Apr 16 2008, 02:10 PM)
i got chris botti biggrin.gif
but DD is louder, pcm much more softer, abit clearer nia

aiman, wat u mean old movies? u mean protege old ar?
will only test diehard 4 this weekend, if the missue willin to watch with me
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RX has turned from paedo to a romantic sweet guy... whistling.gif

I meant that Die Hard 3 la... multi-channel remix in early nineties can't match the current ones unless they do a total remaster, which Die Hard movies were not.

And HK movies, their mix has never impressed me. But maybe that just me. tongue.gif


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Bitstream Vs PCM
A comment from an Audio Insider

Sir Terrence, a sound insider at Blu-ray.com, gave his comments about the always debated question.

QUOTE(Sir Terrence)
I know there has been much back and forth regarding the player doing the decoding or the receiver doing the decoding. However I would like to preface this question with this comment.

When you look at all of the myriad of issues regarding proper playback and getting the best sound, many folks have completely overlook the most important component chasing after minor benefits. Proper room acoustics play a far larger role in getting better performance than something as small as which component does the decoding. The arguement for which sounds better (if it actually does) belongs in the studio(which acoustics are tightly controlled) or in the upper 5-10% of the folks who actually have their room properly treated based on acoustical measurements. To actually answer the question of which is better, the answer is neither has any sonic benefits over the other. I will explain.

When the player does the decoding(or transcoding), the process of transcoding is lossless. In other words nothing is lost converting the bitstream to PCM to send to your receiver. All PIP audio will be mixed in along with the program audio, and the user has access to the audio of all interactive and program material. Whether you choose to do bass management and speaker alignment in the player, or the pcm audio is sent to the receiver for these functions, they are done in PCM because that is how the DSP chips function, is with PCM signals. So no matter which way you turn, the audio will have to be converted.

If the player passes the audio to the receiver in bitstream form, the receiver will have to convert that bitstream to PCM for any bass mangement or speaker alignment to take place. That process is also lossless, and is much like we have seen with legacy Dolby Digital and Dts. The drawback is that no audio from PIP or any interactive material will be heard because this process bypasses the internal mixer of the player. So no matter which direction you choose, PCM conversion will have to take place whether the player does it, or the reciever does it. In the end, there is no sonic benefit that either has over the other, and why when looked at critically, the receiver doing it becomes a marketing ploy and nothing else.

I hope this dispels the confusion between the player doing the decoding, and the receiver doing the decoding. And then, maybe not. biggrin.gif


http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=32961

There's also some explanation about Channel remapping in that thread. Go there for more.

This post has been edited by aiman04: Apr 16 2008, 03:59 PM
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post Apr 16 2008, 09:02 PM

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QUOTE(neoardi @ Apr 16 2008, 08:43 PM)
shocking.gif This one BD or DVD? doh.gif
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DVD no got digital copy one. That was copied from Amazon I think, which never accurate.

Here's the actual specs:

Rambo (Blu-ray)
Lionsgate Films | 2008 | 91 mins | Rated R | May 27, 2008

user posted image

Video
. Codec: MPEG-4 AVC
. Resolution: 1080p
. Aspect ratio: 2.35:1

Audio
. English: DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1
. English: Dolby Digital 5.1 EX


Subtitles
. English SDH
. English
. Spanish

Disc Features:
. Audio commentary with Sylvester Stallone
. 6 Featurettes
. Deleted scenes
. Trailer Gallery
. Digital Copy

Discs
. 50GB Blu-ray Disc
. Two-disc set


By the way, I don't like this Rambo, too violent for me.
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QUOTE(edvpc @ Apr 16 2008, 11:44 PM)
Guillermo Del Toro is a good director... thumbup.gif
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Guillermo Del Toro is one of my favorite directors.

The Orphanage wasn't directed by him though. But still good reviews. thumbup.gif

I've been looking for decent horror movies on BDs, you know, the sound will make the experience even more creepy.

Can't wait for The Others. I remember watching the DVD, when Nicol alone in the emmty room, suddenly I hear the door closing behind me, I literally looked back behind me! Scary stuff. I like that kind of horror, not showing the ghosts too much, but the suspense and the creepy atmosphere. Also waiting for Robert Zemeckis' What Lies Beneath. thumbup.gif
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Anybody doing bulk? Want to tumpang this The Orphanage.

Wanna feel the 7.1 DTS-HD MA while watching a horror movie. thumbup.gif
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post Apr 17 2008, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(edvpc @ Apr 17 2008, 11:06 AM)
tak ngam gua la.i'm rockers... laugh.gif

p/s : MOD plz delete that J.Alba pic.this is not celebrity corner... whistling.gif
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Cool ED... He'll be back for Transformers 2... tongue.gif

POP, are buying the Ophanage? Can tumpang? Pleaaaaasseee!!! sweat.gif
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QUOTE(apisgogo @ Apr 17 2008, 12:12 PM)
i mean in our income tax... every year, submit... rebates here & there..
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I haven't done my tax. doh.gif

Hope got a lot of refund, so can buy more BDs. thumbup.gif


Added on April 17, 2008, 12:55 pm
QUOTE(edvpc @ Apr 17 2008, 11:23 AM)
hang lambat la bro aiman.all the BDs already depatured... sweat.gif
i thought u tumpang bro arj MIMI... laugh.gif
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Alamak, terlepas... This Orphanage only release on April 22...

QUOTE(edvpc @ Apr 17 2008, 11:23 AM)
THE END OF THIS DAY, ONE SHALL STAND, ONE SHALL FALL... flex.gif
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Ilike that blue and red...

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QUOTE(apisgogo @ Apr 17 2008, 12:12 PM)
i mean in our income tax... every year, submit... rebates here & there..
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Apis, I heard we can get tax rebates for educational animated movie BDs, like Simpsons. whistling.gif

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