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aiman04
post Apr 14 2008, 08:36 AM

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Those who plans to buy a new AV receiver (to prepare for tomorrow), and a Yamaha fan, I recommend this:

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http://www.yamaha.co.jp/english/product/av.../ht/rxv663.html

It's the latest and is in Yammy's medium-end receivers. Not sure about the actual price, but must be no more than RM2.7k I think. So it's affordable to most.

I know I said you don't need a receiver with built-in DTS-HD MA and Dolby TrueHD decoders if you use PS3, but it's affordable and should be future-proof (just in case you buy a standalone bitstream player).

Those with MPCM HDMI receivers don't have to upgrade. Your receivers will be just fine.
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post Apr 14 2008, 08:41 AM

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QUOTE(megatron007 @ Apr 14 2008, 08:37 AM)
bro aiman

ur 1800 much better .....btw ..this 663 is coming soon to A&L according to HTKaki

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Mine is too expensive for such a short notice to buy a receiver. The 663 should do fine, the power might be low, but I think it's adequate for a medium size living room. wink.gif

Don't understand, it's made in Perak, but now already available in US, not here yet. And no black! tongue.gif
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post Apr 14 2008, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(sunauto @ Apr 14 2008, 03:02 PM)
There's a firmware update for RX-V1800 and RX-V3800 to solve the DTS-MA bitstream popping sound, the firmware was released on 13 March to solve this issue. A couple of titles were affectly, namely, The Fly, Chronos, Fantastic Four, Flyboys, etc on BD and Eagles on HD-DVD.  Not sure whether the firmware can be used on our local RX-V1800, I got no confirmation on that yet.

Another issue that bugs me is the RX-V1800 and RX-V3800 will process the HDMI signals and causes clipping issues. It will process a 0-255 Full RGB signal to 16-235 RGB Video signal, the XBOX 360 and PS3 supports Full RGB signals as well as certain Blu-Ray players and all HTPCs as well. I've asked my friend to check with Yamaha whether this can be fixed and what's the impact if it can't be fixed as my Bravia 400A can support Full RGB signals, I've tested yesterday. It's a big concern to me.

The DTS-MA popping sound via bitstream also affects Onkyo's 605, 705, etc as well and they have more serious problems, lip sync problems via HDMI for upconverted video signals. Seems like Denon and Marantz don't have DTS-MA popping issues but Denon has macroblocking issues when upscaling SD sources. Damn ....... veli headache.  doh.gif
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I've read about that. It's the DTS chip inside the receiver that's causing the popping sound. Both Yamaha & Onkyo used the same chip. Do you know where to download the firmware? Though actually for PS3 users, should not be worried, because the signal received is PCM already, the only processing within the receiver is only by the DAC.

The lip-sync problem is only well-known for Onkyo only, not Yamaha.

About the clipping effect, in the manual itself it's stated that the receiver doesn't support full RGB, signals from 0-15 will be clipped. I noticed loss of details in dark scenes. But that's why I used YPbCr instead, I never bothered about RGB anyway.

Get the one that suits you most, the one that it's shortcomings is more tolerable to you, and, of course, versus your budget. The popping sound won't affect you if you're using PS3, and even that can be fixed with the firmware update. thumbup.gif

I guess it's obvious huh, I'm also a Yamaha fanboy. whistling.gif tongue.gif
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post Apr 14 2008, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE(PrinceOfPersia @ Apr 14 2008, 03:39 PM)
so which one? yammy 663 or onkyo  rclxub.gif  tongue.gif
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Go for your 663 la bro, that's brand new model. No issue on that model.

The issue is only Yammy 1800 and 3800, which can be fixed by firmware update anyway. Onkyo also have that issue (don't know what model).

And remember, PS3 decodes it already for you, so you won't use your receiver to decode. In case you have a bitstream player in the future, just apply the firmware update.
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post Apr 14 2008, 05:29 PM

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QUOTE(mpyw @ Apr 14 2008, 04:30 PM)
Just finished watching No Country For Old Men..

PQ----6 stars...the best transfer I've seen so far
AQ----6 stars...5.1 LPCM...powerful!! can feel the bullet pearcing through the skull and the car crash...uchhh...it's like the car accident is right in front of me....
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Watched it with my wife yesterday. We both like it, but the scene when Tommy Lee Jones talking to his father (in-law?), my wife grabbed a newspaper and read the news. We both don't know what the hell they're talking about. tongue.gif

The ending makes me scratch my head, and my wife asked, "Habis?", but after a while I can accept it. It's natural and real, though not satisfying. Maybe there'll be a sequel. tongue.gif

And yes, awesome PQ and AQ, but like 4.5 stars only, not 6! tongue.gif
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post Apr 14 2008, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(edvpc @ Apr 14 2008, 05:33 PM)
mpyw give 6 becoz he's sick... laugh.gif  tongue.gif
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Maybe the bullet really did pierced through his skull! And then had the car accident! laugh.gif

Yeah, actually those scenes were great. But what make the car accident great was that, it was totally unexpected, it's the surprise that make you jump, not just the sound. wink.gif
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post Apr 14 2008, 06:06 PM

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Hey there Ataris. You should visit this thread more often. Every HD junkie in Malaysia should visit this thread. We share a lot of things here, even the ahem2 ones!

The more the merrier! rclxms.gif

I think it's time for a Blu-ray sub-forum. Right everyone? wink.gif
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post Apr 14 2008, 06:14 PM

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QUOTE(tepetlah @ Apr 14 2008, 06:10 PM)
i got qoute from ebay for a new Onkyo Tx-sr605 hdmi for only USD375 + USD190 (shipping)..is it a good deal?
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Not sure about Onkyo prices. Maybe can ask RX.

Furthermore I fear for kastam, the value is high, and it will be real heavy!
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post Apr 14 2008, 06:19 PM

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QUOTE(PrinceOfPersia @ Apr 14 2008, 06:16 PM)
dont racun2 people la  whistling.gif  tongue.gif
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Just doing my civic duty, sir.

(Guess which movie that quote is from?)
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post Apr 14 2008, 06:24 PM

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QUOTE(PrinceOfPersia @ Apr 14 2008, 06:20 PM)
pirates of carribean  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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You are a true movie junkie! I salute! notworthy.gif

Added on April 14, 2008, 6:26 pm
QUOTE(edvpc @ Apr 14 2008, 06:23 PM)
yeah u rite... tongue.gif i only hate one person here... whistling.gif
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I guess that person must hate you too! tongue.gif

We must unite!

"What we do in life, echoes in eternity!"

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post Apr 14 2008, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(PrinceOfPersia @ Apr 14 2008, 06:29 PM)
yeah, we must unite Blu-Ray + HD DVD  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  tongue.gif
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What we do in life, echoes in eternity!

POP, can you guess the movie?

Hint: "Archers! Ignite!"
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post Apr 14 2008, 07:06 PM

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QUOTE(PrinceOfPersia @ Apr 14 2008, 06:35 PM)
huhuhu, not sure, but i think gladiator or 13th warrior  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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It's Gladiator, opening scene. wink.gif
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post Apr 15 2008, 07:09 AM

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QUOTE(sunauto @ Apr 15 2008, 12:02 AM)
Yeah but sadly, XBOX 360 can't select between YPbCr and RGB but since XBOX 360 doesn't support lossless audio, the only solution is to plug the HDMI cable directly to the LCD and the audio output via optical. For PS3, the games support Full RGB whereas Full RGB has no effect on Blu-Ray and DVD movies so the clipping issue will affect PS3 games but not on the latter.

Surprising fact, the RX-V663 also suffers from Full RGB clipping issue, earlier they blamed the ABT1010 chip used in RX-V1800 / RX-V3800 but seems like it's not due to the upscaling chip, Yamaha argued that they're following the RGB Video standards so there won't be a RGB fix in future firmwares. Sigh .......  doh.gif  By right, they should leave all HDMI signals untouched just like other brands.

As for the latest firmware for RX-V1800, the link is here, http://www.yamahapab.com/assets/products/V1800_05_13r4.zip  but I'm not sure whether it will work with our RX-V1800 because nobody can tell whether the file is region protected but anyway, you can give it a try, if it refuses to update, that means the firmware is incorrect.
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Thanks for the link bro!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought all receivers don't actually just "passthrough" the video from HDMI? I've read sometime ago that they use some kind of process called "repeater". The digital signal can't really travel that far from player --> receiver --> TV because of bandwidth degradation (even the HDMI 1.3 can't carry the signal farther than 5 meters). So to avoid the, the receiver will have to repeat the signal and send it again to the TV. This is where the issue is for the Yamaha, it's their repeater, not the Anchor Bay upscaling chip as they can't upscale digital sources (i.e. HDMI).

But hey, the Yamaha receivers support deep color reproduction what? whistling.gif (A silly attempt from a fanboy! tongue.gif )

So much to learn in this AV stuff! biggrin.gif


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post Apr 15 2008, 07:28 AM

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Good " dts-HD Master Audio " morning! biggrin.gif

Not yet la bro, I think we'll have it by noon.

UPDATE: Firmware 2.30 update along with the PlayStation Store upgrade will be officially online on April 15, 2008 at 7.00 AM Greenwich Meridian Time (GMT) or 3.00 PM Malaysian time.

Damn, I feel like taking a day off just for this historical event! tongue.gif

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post Apr 15 2008, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(mpyw @ Apr 15 2008, 09:49 AM)
harlo.....
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using remote access to my house PC to do posting
very slow lar...
what to do, office block LYN access
have to find ways to continue the HD addict thing

MORNING everyone notworthy.gif
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mpyw, use ultrasurf, I'm at the client's office which blocks LYN, but can still post here!
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post Apr 15 2008, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(mpyw @ Apr 15 2008, 10:57 AM)
who said no BD untill Jul one....???biggrin.gif
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Me and POP.

QUOTE(PrinceOfPersia @ Apr 15 2008, 11:01 AM)
already cancel that agreement  tongue.gif
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To cancel and agreement, both side must agree. I didn't receive any proposal?
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QUOTE(lapaq @ Apr 15 2008, 12:17 PM)
What kind of an office blocks LYN forum?  rclxub.gif
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One of them is Petronas Carigali. biggrin.gif
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post Apr 15 2008, 02:29 PM

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I'm going back after I finish downloading in few minutes. Don't tell my boss! whistling.gif tongue.gif
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post Apr 15 2008, 05:43 PM

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Haha!!! I'm listening to Devil Wears Prada's DTS-HD MA now! tongue.gif

Also tested Shoot 'Em Up and Live Free or Die hard. What I notice, the bass is so much, much, much deeper & the surround channels are more detailed. rclxms.gif

Even the cinemas now rarely plays movie in DTS anymore, you guys noticed that? Mostly just Dolby Digital. I guess that's why I think I've never heard sound this good from a movie before. From now on I will only go to cinemas for special movies only, like Indy 4 and maybe Iron Man. I would rather wait for the others to come out on BDs instead. I'm serious.

And yes, i can confirm that my 2 New Line titles, Shoot 'Em Up and Pan's Labyrinth ,which should be 7.1, is showing 5.1 on my receiver while the PS3 is showing 7.1. I've read this can be easily fixed in the next firmware update. The New Line montage of the both discs, shows correctly as 7.1 though. DTS actually got different setups for their 7.1 system, and in this case PS3 reads the setup of the main feature wrongly.

And oh, the discs loads much faster now, anyone noticed that?

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post Apr 15 2008, 06:04 PM

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This what caused the 7.1 bug, there are many different 7.1 setups can be applied to the DTS system by the studio/filmmaker.

Traditional:

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Full Rear Surround:

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And a few more.

My guess is that the 7.1 New Line montage at the beginning of the discs uses the traditional setup, while the main movie itself uses the Full Rear Surround setup. This what confuses the PS3 I think. So expect a fix in the next firmware update. wink.gif
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