Apr 19 2008, 02:49 PM
QUOTE(azarimy @ Feb 29 2008, 11:46 AM)
ok, first of all, dont confuse urself of what honors mean. wiki it to find out better. honors is part of a degree title that indicates a higher level than a general degree. it doesnt mean extra excellence, except for australian degrees. in malaysia, the UK and the rest of the world, u can start a course knowing that ur degree is a honors degree.
how bout the US? My boyfriend studies in the US doing some sciences related degree. I used to think that all countries awarded honours degree sans australia (since my parents used to study there, and my mum has explained all to me dah).. but then my mum asked my bf and he said he didn't opt for the honors degree programme.. so how come?? (and my bf tak explain dgn betul sangat.. or at least he seemed a bit blur to me la)QUOTE(youngkies @ Feb 29 2008, 05:02 PM)
yes if only if you can satisfy them during the interview too.
in fact oxford and cambridge have that option too.
i've got friends who got offered to do phD straight after their degree from cambridge (cambridge degree).. but i guess it depends on the discretion of your supervisors la.. i mean, if ur supervisors like u and how u worked in ur third year project, then he could just take you la, kan?in fact oxford and cambridge have that option too.
QUOTE(huix @ Feb 29 2008, 05:11 PM)
Try to get a first class honor and see how hard it is, then you know how smart needed to get the 1st class.
it depends on the degree that u're doing and the uni that u're in. physical sciences(maths, physics, engineering) related are the easiest cause their exams involve mostly numbers and calculations which have definite answers. subjects or universities which require you to write lots of essays for ur exams are the hardest cause u have to have a flair for writing on top of everything else. and the exam is very subjectively marked.Nevertheless, a first class does help u to get jobs with the likes of mckinsey, accenture, and all those high paying investment banking jobs..
QUOTE(cks2k2 @ Feb 29 2008, 07:10 PM)
My original statement was on various middle-tier unis offering these quick-PhD programs, which I find dubious. There was this 25 year old lady where I used to work who already had a PhD but most of us doubt her qualifications as she got it from a local uni and frankly our unis ain't that great especially when it comes to research.
ala.. what la. local unis obv not as good as some overseas unis, but still not that bad..banyak aje mat salleh graduate with a phd at 25.. my bro graduated from cambridge with a phd at 27. being a malaysian who did two years a level, he is two years older than most of his mat salleh friends (unless they did a gap year).. so 27-2=25 years old la.. u can't not believe in a person's phd just because they're still young. her degree is more valid than lets say someone who bought their phd from those fluke unis.. like irish international university (which a certain celebrity - fazley - said he got his masters or something from).. my point is, they were smart, they were offered to do their phd right after their degree (or MEng in cambridge - bro's an engineer) and they finished their phd quickly cause they had no one to sponsor them after their scholarship ends..
QUOTE(Irzani @ Mar 1 2008, 04:50 PM)
In our local university, so many undergraduate manage to get First Class Honor .. but sadly, some of this graduates is really lack of skills and knowledge. Most of the objective is theories where you do only need to read, remember the whole thing, pass the exam and you will get A for that. I admit that there's also a really smart and skillful person, but my experience with a friends which get the first class honor, after finish final semester and rest for 3 month, they know nothing. As the Computer Science students, they forget even the basic of programming, make database application, make a multimedia presentation, networking .. like everything was erased when they manage to get their degree. The only reason they will give is they need to refer to the reference book back since their only objectives is to pass the subject only. And for info, from my observation, it's a common to use one text books (1 whole book) for 1 subject that need to be learned for 4 month only(1 semester) and after that, you will learn a new thing that only a little related to the past subject. Example, learn a multimedia (Flash) for semester 1 and for the next semester, you'll learn 3D subject. And there's no more Flash until grad (This is only example) .
maybe as you said, the way the exams were done? and also the attitude of the students. and also the motivation that we give the students nowadays. we tell them to pass exams as oppose to learn stuff.. personally, i'm not a first class student, and although my mum's a uni lecturer, she doesn't mind that. she understands the degree i'm studying is hard, and also she wants me to enjoy uni life. join sports, meet new people, new environment... and i think her approach is good. cause i'm not afraid to make mistakes, and without the pressure from my parents, i feel that i'm in university to learn as oppose to just score results tak kisah cara apa...QUOTE
People will judge. After all, no matter how good and sweet talk u can, it is a matter of time to get judgement if you keep fail to deliver your task. Excuses may save us a few times but it won't last forever.
exactly!! for the students with average (which is a 2.2) result, they probably have to rely on their interview to get them into a good company. the thing is, the company will have to take the risk of taking someone with lots of talk, but no results (yet!) as opposed to someone who got a first which inevitably proves that they are able to face the pressures and perform at the same time.
in the end, u can't blame the companies who give an upper hand to first class students... (i'm so contradicting myself here
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Regarding about 1st class honor can't find work. Afterall, the interview is for the employer to know how good you are....and the skill they write their resume. Your resume and interview process reveal you either u r a true 1sst class honor potential or not. I remember one of my interview, a UM first class honor to interview for a regional project exec role.... first thing he requested during the interview, "Bolehkah kita gunakan BM? kerana English saya tidak baik" He think india/phillipine/HK/SG use BM to communicate. The most saddest was he want 3200 firmly as a fresh grads coz he is UM 1st class who don't speak english well but want to manage project for the region.
the fact that he demanded something pun dah pelik. u're a fresh graduate. i don't think u can put that much demand on the companies jugak.. and @huix, speak for urself.. ur england also not very good.. most saddest - never heard that before..
but u can't say that the kid who got a first from um was a FIRST CLASS POTENTIAL. he got a first class.. maybe his classes were taught in full bm, which helped him get the results, but did not help him improve his english.. but that doesn't mean u can say that he is not a first class student.. saying that means u're saying that those people studying in france/germany/nonenglish speaking countries don't deserve their first class cause of the language the unis decide to use?
but in the student's case, he shouldn't have demanded so much, knowing that he only has a first degree and is not very proficient in the english language.
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erm? i think should be more easy to find job and secure a chance of interview. I am 1st class also, and when during interview, i saw some of the interviewer will circle my CGPA in my resume. It is still an important point although u got experience already. Besides, normally i will called by all the job that i applied for and they will ask me go for the interview. -.-
really? most people i meet, they say that ur grades don't matter after u have ur job dah.. or u continue ur studies.. an example would be my dad.. during his degree programme, he kinda failed one of the years and had to be moved from a uni to a college to do his degree.. but then he redeemed himself and managed to do a masters in australia.. and later, he did his phd in cambridge.. and because he can really talk and order people around on top of everything else, he works in oil and gas and was a ceo in one of the sime darby subsidiaries. so ur results may be important, but after furthering ur studies and obtaining experience while working, ur first degree doesn't mean anything.. my bro did a degree in manufacturing engineering, and only now (after tukar 2 kali kerja) that he is sort of utilizing his degree.. though the company that employed him looked at his performance in the previous job and his interview; not his masters or first degree.. in the end, it is just a stepping stone to start ur working life, but by no means determine how u end up like in the end..
extra: i'm quite shocked someone didn't point this out.. but when getting a job, connections are important as well. my mum has a not so fantastic student who got to work with the likes of sime darby cause he guna orang dalam..
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