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I am partial towards unique, unconventional, explosive, moving in non-linear, multiple plane, lifting odd-object type of training. Handstand, pull ups, climbing (rope, bar, tree, wall, anything), gymnastic ring training, sandbags, beer kegs, car pushing, Olympic weightlifting, kettlebells are my interests.
At this time of writing, I just started using a 12kg kettlebell for exercising a less than a month ago. I've not attended any kettlebell classes or training session. I've received 5 minutes of tips on how to grip the KB for cleans from the person who did the kettlebell bulk. What I know, I learned from Steve Cotter, DV8Fitness, Scott Sonnon videos on YouTube (in that order) AND from my own trial & errors, by being aware and observant of my movements and how they make me feel (pain, aches, soreness, banged up forearms, twisted elbows, etc.)
Here, John Logan described how he broke his forearms while doing a kettlebell snatch.
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hello,
using lower case and one typing finger so please excuse.
i had been progressing quite well with training at age 41.
3 years ago i got john's book, pytp, and this led to 2 friends also getting a copy and us all benefiting from it.
i was getting...in shape again...after some years of being overweight and doing only yoga etc...at one point i lost 71 pounds in weight, which was overdoing things...but by last summer i was 40 years old, had lost most of fat round waIist and had settled in at 200 pounds, 46 inch chest, 15 inch arms...
then i made the error of trying out my new stength on a 24kg kettlebell i ordered.
i thought i could handle the heavy weight as years of yoga/chi kung would keep me balanced and sensible...
i worked up to doing 6 consecutive cleans and presses each arm, and 8 snatches each arm.
my form was perfect except the left arm the snatch would land harder at the top, but this seemed no problem and i was sure i would have a smooth snatch form on left, to match flawless righjt arm form, within a month or so.
10 days ago i went into my garden 9highlands of scotland, inverness0, did a smooth rep on left arm snatch...the 2nd rep a witness who took a photo of my first snatch, she told me the 2nd rep seemed to go out at an angle...it landede at the top and it broje my arm.
i tried ti insist to myself it was only a sprain, put off going to hospital until 18 hours later...lay in bed praying all night insteade that it wasn't broken.
x-ray showed severe fracture of left radius, ends of break nowhere near each other...i asked the doc how i could heal it naturally...i have never broken anything, never go to doctors, had not even had an aspirin in 20 years...no alcohol in 6 years, no caffeine, no meat...real heath nut...
anyway, i was sent up to a ward where i still declined to take pain meds for another 24 hours.
had surgery to put a 4 inch steel plate on my radius to hold bone together with 6 screws, something my consultant insists will stay in permanently.
had to take 3 doses of intravenus antibiotics a week ago, plus oral morphine for pain.
that was a week ago.
left hos[ital next day and took 2 paracetyamol.
my usuaL RESTING HEART RATE IS around 65, but in hospital it stayed at 122 for 3 days, combination of caffeinbe, morp[hine, operation, stress etc
i haven't needed any of the codeine or paracetamol they gave me to come home with...and walked 4 miles yesterday, home from seeing the doctor to get dressing off..
4 inch scar isn't too bad...still a lot of swellking, and numbness in left hand etc
3 years ago i had passed on john's pytp book to friends,,,,and lkikwise in the past 9 months i influencedv one friend to buy a kettlebell...a 16 kg bell...
i was talking to him on sunday night and we observed that none of the 8 books i bought on kettlebells, or the 6 dvds, warnbed that the 24 kg kettlebell snatch could break yoyr arm.
i've googled it and i seem to be the first person in the world to do this.
in 23 years of training i have nver before been injurd.
fropm 1986 to 1989 i was a trainer in a gym, teaching weight training to many people, none i trained was ever injured...i only stopped weight training in 2001, to switch to an inbvestigation of ashtange yoga that took 6 years.
my friend and i looked at our foreaRMS And saw that the area of the radius my kettlebell hit was only an inch from the safe tasrget zone the bell is supposed to land on, whgich is muscle padded.
has anyone here ever managed to recover full strewngth after a fracture like mine?
if i had ever heard of anyone breaking their arm doing a snatch i would never have bought a kettlebell.
none of the books or dvds i had warned that such a thing was possible.,
on youtube there are 130 pound women safely snatching the 24kg bell.
i must have done 100 safe reps...more,,,over the last weeks, then suddenly rep 2 of a set breaks my arm.
i'm still shocked about it and so aRE MY friends who thought i was managing the kettlebell perfectly well abd was in no danger
as soon as i could do 6 presses with it on both arms, and 8 snatches both arms, i no longer regarded it as a heavy weight and then must have let my guard down fir a second.
the rkc recommend doing 200 snatches at a time, so i don't see how noone has ever mistimed a rep and landed the bell an incxh out ofv polace and hit the radius straight on...even a 16kg bell, the recommendeed startung weight could break the radius...which i now know is a fragile bone...not the robust thing i assumed it to be.,
i can see now that i was never injured by weight training , or by the 17 one-arm pushups i worked up to one year...becaUSE THIS WAS NON-BALLISTIC TRAINING.
neither would a kettlebell have injured me if i'd just pressed it in a controlled way...but the dvds and books i bought showed fast ballidstic swings and snatches...the books described recruiting the power ofv the hips and hamstrings to launch the bell and drive it to head height...from there i managed to punch through safely hundreds of times over 6 months...but then one bad rep 10 days ago has ruyined my arm, permanentlly perhaps,
now that i've writtewn this here, i think i will copy this and send it to all the people i bought books and dvds from and see if they wish to comment now,
thanks, and maybe writing this here will stop someione else getting hurt noiw,
john logan
inverness
scotland
This is where he and others discussed about his injuries and the dangers of kettlebells:
http://skinnybulkup.com/kettlebells-are-in...r-to-dumbbells/-----
SummaryJohn Logan. 41 years old. Been training for 23 years without injury. He's a strong dude (17x one-arm push ups). Was a trainer in a gym before. Has done yoga/chi kung. Bought a 24kg kettlebell. Bought 6 DVDs and train with kettlebells for 6 months doing swings and snatches once a week. Then one day, he did his first rep of KB snatch. On the 2nd snatch he broke his arm (radius bone, the bone on the side of the thumb). It is a really bad injury if you read his account.
He is pissed that none of DVDs or any online kettlebell resources talked about the risk of broken arm training with a kettlebell. Especially so with a 24kg KB. He is bitter and blames the kettlebell for being a dangerous item. And he makes lots of noise online (Google: kettlebell snatch broken arm, and see for yourself).
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What I think:I don't blame his bitterness towards KB and the DVDs and KB instructors. And he has brought up a good point most people tend to gloss over: the
risk of using a KB incorrectly, and how to prevent it. Most online KB trolls keep calling him an idiot for using the wrong form etc etc, instead of providing useful suggestions on injury prevention.
Most ballistic movements are
technical, require
lots of practice to master, and
full concentration+awareness when executing them. E.g. Olympic Clean & Jerk, Barbell Snatch.
This includes the Kettlebell snatch. The lifter needs to be very aware of his own movement & how the KB is moving and 'flowing' AT ALL TIMES. Since I'm still very new to KBs, my experience is:
the first few reps of snatch during any training session will not be in perfect form. The KB will crash onto my forearms, or I twist it around too much, over swing it, etc, etc. And I can feel my forearms getting banged, or the elbows absorbing the snap, or losing my balance.
What happens is that I
have not acclimatised to the weight yet. I need to swing it around to feel the weight and estimate the amount of 'explosion'(force) I need to generate to get the KB to swing up to the perfect height (not too high or too low) so that the KB can roll around nicely on my arm.The first 5 reps are generally a mess. After that, I get into a groove and the KB Snatch is generally a smooth ride.
I suspect that Logan did not warm up for the movement or get
acclimatised to the weight before doing the KB snatch. So he must have exerted too much force and caught the KB using an incorrect 'grip'. The heavy KB (24kg) then crashed onto his forearm.
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Conclusion:1) ACCLIMATISE YOURSELF TO THE WEIGHT (dumbbells, barbells, especially off centre weights like kettlebells).
DV8 Fitness has a very good video here (
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MGUllzX_0g ). Pay attention when he talks about the "high pull progression". I personally feel that "high pull progression" is a great way to get acclimatised to the weight before a KB snatch session.
Also do a few jerks or push press to 'feel' the weight overhead.
2) WARM UP USING LIGHTER KB. Something light to groove the movement. (Not everyone has a lighter kettlebell, so make do or buy or use a small sandbag with a loop).
3) HOLD/CATCH THE KB CORRECTLY. Holding the KB the correct way will solve half of the problem of a crashing KB. Most YouTube videos don't show it, so learn from a good KB instructor. Catching the KB with the correct 'grip' (technically, you don't grip a KB) will comply you to use the correct way to snatch, to generate the correct amount of force, and allow the KB to land softly.
4) FEEL THE WEIGHT. This sounds very yoga/taichi/wing chun/zen, BUT lifter needs to be aware of where, when, how the KB is moving AT ALL TIMES. Do it in front of a mirror and LOOK AT THE KB (not yourself). No mirror? Turn the head slightly & look at the KB from the corner of the eyes. I find that when I look at the KB, my snatches tend to be smoother.
5) START YOUR JOURNEY USING A LIGHT KB. 12kg or below. Until one can snatch 50 reps non-stop each hand, don't use a heavier KB. No matter how strong one is, an off centre weight will always be stronger. It doesn't matter if you can squat 200kg or dumbbell bench press 70kg per side. The forearms, elbows, shoulders, etc are not ready for the off centre weight.
Use the light KB to make all sorts of mistakes and learn from it. Get the forearms bruised/tender and learn to let the KB roll around the wrist; fumble around with the KB overhead until the shoulders are strong enough to keep the it stable.
Pavel Tsatsouline said best:
"It is best to learn to use
free weights kettlebells when you have the least
strength weight to hurt yourself. Would you rather 'stagger and explore' with fifty or three hundred fifty pounds in your hands?"
This holds true for all strength training implements, kettlebells, barbells, beer kegs or anything.
Feb 9 2010, 02:36 AM
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