Potentially a major shakeup in the comic book movie franchise??
Joss (Buffy/avengers) whedon is turning to DC to help out the scene there??
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Batgirl is flying solo. The superheroine is getting her own standalone movie from filmmaker Joss Whedon.
Whedon is nearing a deal to write, direct, and produce an untitled Batgirl pic for Warner Bros. as part of its DC Extended Universe.
No other producers are currently attached. Toby Emmerich, president and chief content officer of Warner Bros. Pictures Group, is overseeing with Jon Berg and Geoff Johns. The new project originated in the past month following a meeting between Whedon, Berg and Johns.
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Much of Whedon’s success or failure with a Batgirl movie will also depend on whether he’s able to break free from the heavily stylized, slo-mo Zack Snyder aesthetic that seems to be shaping all the DC Comics films. (Even the Wonder Woman trailer, in parts, looks like 300.)
Warner Bros. CEO Kevin Tsujihara has described the studio’s comic-book movies as “edgier” than Marvel’s, although the upcoming Justice League does seem to be trying for a lighter tone. Whedon has been open about his “unpleasant” creative clashes with Marvel on the Avengers films, and you have to wonder how his famous sense of whimsy will fare in an “edgy” universe.
joss wheldon left mcu after age of ultron becoz creative difference issue....lets see if he do well in dceu...since wb like to control some creative issue in dceu film..
Judging from the video discussions, less 'control' control.
Some attribute it to marvels path of formula is more rigid as unlike DC./WB, they give more freedom in creative input (director). Well the consensus amongst the comic geeks at Hollywood.
Sorry to hear of Zack Snyder's tragedy with his daughter.
JL was his pet project, and he trusted Joss Whedon to help him tidy up finishing parts. It's (JL) still credited to Zack at the end of the day. Joss was there to oversee.
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While Joss Whedon may have came in to help finish some touches/minor reshoots/some post edits...It's all Zack Snyders.
His (zack's) visual trademark feast In Watchmen, Sucker Punch, Man of Steel, Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice are again very, very evident in Justice League.
Storywise is disjointed (sigh) I feel MOS is even better told storywise.
5/10
The Bad:Batman & Alfred. Probably the cheesiest, crony lines ever for Batman. Worse "Batman" performance (For me). I feel as if Ben Affleck isn't quite bothered at all. No bravado performance. What happen? Even Batman vs Superman had gusto moments. None here.
Good performance: Superman/Clark (Henry Cavill) Kent does ok, followed by Flash & Wonder Women.
Neutral (no comment): Cyborg, Aquaman, SteppenWolfe and his army of Parademons, Lois lane & Martha.
The uproar about those Amazonian skimpy bikini armor? Didn't notice, I must have missed it, anyway if it was true since sucker punch, I don't discount the possibility.
The above view should not fess up Snyders Fans, there is no malice. it's his movie, credited & directed by Zack. Creatively & his vision. Maybe a few lighter moments or quips might be added by Joss. But I won't credit Joss Weadon much.
Ball is on WB & DC on future JL. Perhaps after Wonder Women success they need to interject. Some fans may not like it. Possible Snyder dropping off, I think he may be better contributing creatively in the capacity like 'Kevin Feige' but not hands on as he appears to micro manage too much.
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Sorry I didn't hear & was late to this news, this happens when i tried to avoid all JL spoilers online & otherwise 😔
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This post has been edited by koolspyda: Nov 17 2017, 02:37 PM
Not to defend Zack or anything, sure the film has flaws but so do MCU films, but difference is they don't receive as much hate as DCEU films. I think this whole 'hate DCEU is cool' thing has gone way overboard
The red flags were pointed out long long ago by staunch DC fans but are lambasted by pro Snyder as Marvel loving or turncoats. 😡
It was a situation loyal DC fans can do without. Being accused as closet marvel fans. 😪😪😪
This post has been edited by koolspyda: Nov 17 2017, 03:58 PM
After reading through, I realized now why WB decided to do reshoots. Snyder's version is a lot messier and would've gotten even worse reviews Whedon's contributions were the ones that made the story a bit more cohesive and were the ones that got praised the most by critics
Though I felt that if they kept some of the deleted scenes in, it would've made for a much more engaging story
If this is legit and not hearsay, though despite across continents, many seem to share the exact type of sentiments about both directors forte.
The only postmortem Justice League fans should be asking is what is augurs for future Justice League given Joss Weadon is given green light adding not mere finishing touches to supposedly completed Snyder's "Justice League" but creative aspects that possibly changes some of the films tone
undo & maybe rope Christopher Nolan in? Maybe as producer or some capacity if he is not willing to hold the reins or too much involvement. Or Maybe even seek consultation.
Nobody has answers. WB is crossroad. Many like campea & others are suggesting after several non-hits, (like transformers less than stellar performance) the target audiences finally cave? (Just Speculation)
While many are willing to back Zack Snyder to come back, he I think the general consensus is that he may not be able to muster the creative strength to do it. Another JL.
Maybe he can do better behind than to tackle the films directly. All isn't lost.
Like I suggested before WB shouldn't compete head on (which they clearly tried) they shd pace their assets (characters) as they are. Fans will stick by no problem. Going head to head has been seen as catch up that they may never could
This post has been edited by koolspyda: Nov 20 2017, 06:43 PM
Just hope after all this, they don't reboot. Sure, JL didn't really meet expectations but it's not really a total bust
It's still early to kill off how it will do. It's less than stellar, it's not the end. Like the Disney backed movie 'john carter'. They are ruthless in that aspect. It barely made but wasn't a complete lost.
WB does have back some good material in the past, they haven't been completely lucky with Snyder. Hit n misses, but they still allowed him to do stuff. I think they (WB) shd put a collaborative group to assist him in earlier DC movies, he's may be a visionist director but he isn't god. Too much for him to chew and it shows. All film directors knows the biggest challenge is during editing process. (I think it's Snyder's weakness here)
Like some here sugggested. Drop JL (for now) and concentrate on stand alone DC films. Aquaman, Flash & WW2.
The thing is a lot of people made the "big studio" interference a big thing but perhaps sometimes it's the other way around??
Like the firing of Directors (both in fact) from Disneys/Lucas film "Hans Solo". The directors (both Phil & Chris) actually found it difficult because not so about creative differences but a big budget requires many task handed down to collaborators, it's probably overwelmed Phil & Chris halfway and the executives made a choice to axe.
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Former Solo: A Star Wars Story directors Phil Lord and Chris Miller have remained relatively quiet since being ousted from the Star Wars spinoff film back in July. But both filmmakers discussed their early exits at Sunday’s Vulture Festival in Los Angeles, with Lord calling the experience of shooting the film “wonderful.”
“We had the most incredible cast and crew and collaborators,” he said. “I think in terms of us leaving the project, I think everybody went in with really good intentions and our approach to making the movie was different than theirs. That was a really big gap to bridge, and it proved to be too big. Sometimes people break up, and it’s really sad, and it’s really disappointing, but it happens and we learned a lot from our collaborators and we’re better filmmakers for it. We’re really proud of the work we did on the movie and we wish everybody the best.”
Added Miller, “As Phil said, we had such a great relationship with cast and crew, we were really rooting for them.”
Sorry to digress. But we have seen complains that maybe WB interfered or maybe they "didn't". Disney made a tight ship and after failures in the past they made it not an option if they can avoid.
I not quite into such posters. A lot of people claimed the BVS spectacle made them curious and went to watch (again & again) despite the flaws. Justice League had zero draw. It's not a bad movie. It's still had problems, disjointed.
Other day I rewatched WW, it the first D.C. Movie that took its time on character & plot progression. It was enjoyable. There were enough of everything to allow fans soak in the every bits they like and not left confused.
JL is kinda the opposite. Lots of people talk of darker Superhero style. Common it really came to the fore with Nolan's trilogies (Caught people's imagination) of dark knight contrary to fans crediting ZS. It wasn't snyders 'watchmen' nor subsequent Snyder directed DC movies. He has so much visionary style but weak substances in his movies. While MOS still remained his better effort (to me at least)
This post has been edited by koolspyda: Nov 22 2017, 06:30 AM
At this rate, WB probably gonna cuci tangan and reboot the franchise, cos aside from WW, every DCEU film has been a major misstep
Probably better off that way, cos they didn't get the characters right the first time, now building a franchise on top of an already weak foundation is gonna make it all crumble later
Maybe WB should hire the writers from DC TV shows or games, cos they seem to get it
No, I hope they don't soft or hard reboot (like fox with FF), the biggest single problem was they tried to speed up the catch up to marvel.
Come on DC too have rich assets of characters, after MOS debuted even if it wasn't critically praised they (DCU/WB) shd not have spilled & put eggs to BvS (yet). Everything seemed so rushed & half-cooked which was why most critics panned it.
There is no 2 ways about it. WB & DC fans were completely off guard on how convoluted Zack Snyder has made the DC universe to be. While there are Snyder sympathizers out there, they have to admit the messy situation DCU is in. Fine, people will defend JL didnt "lose" money. I believe unless JL made at least 800m-1b, it's considered bad (business) given the other huge intangible costs.
Given WW success and standalone Aquaman & flash coming up, there are positive light ahead.