Hi there
this is my first time posting over here...so if anything tell me dun flame me k..thanks....there is a question have been going around my head for the last few week.
Since the new falcon xbox360 have come out, and the chances of 3ROD will be reduced(not entirely).

For ppl that is going to buy Xbox360
what would you prefer?

A: get a second hand Xbox360 , and make sure that previous owner was playing constanly and didn't get hit by 3ROD

or

B: Buy a new falcon xbox360 try your luck out

or

C: Buy a new Xbox360 without falcon chipset.

which one would you prefer.?


i am trying to make up wat choice would be better?

This post has been edited by blinky_w: Feb 27 2008, 01:58 PM

Go for B .. thats ur best choice.

A: u might be able to save few hundred bugs...but chances of 3ROD is at High Risk due to most 2nd hand 360 is NOT Falcon but older chipset...i believe most seller are selling it because they are AWARE of the same problem as u do, and doing so to get a newer Falcon chipset for themselves...and bear in mind, most 2nd hand 360 are over warranty period as well...

B: I bought the Elite earlier this month...the heat is not so significant compared to previous chipset...and with 3 years warranty, even if the 3ROD and any other faulty issues strike, warranty claim is juz step-a-way...enjoying ur game without worryin bout ur console goes AWOL is "priceless"

C: since u're buyin a new 360 anyway, why go for older chips since Falcon is widely available nowadays? u know the older chipset is "more" vulnerable to 3ROD...if its $$$ difference between them, i don't think saving 100-200 or even 300 is enough to justified u to opt for the older chipset...

This post has been edited by Ricgatebecko: Feb 27 2008, 02:24 PM

HI

A: ya...most proberly yur rite on this

B: but the elite xbox, MS have confirm that elite xbox is not in falcon chipset yet. but for elite xbox the chipset was changed slightly right? if the buying a elite would better than buying a falcon chipset? forget bout the warrenty now a day the new halo edition with the falcon chipset mostly is modded. there goes the warranty. but so far only the halo edition come with falcon chipset.

C: there are still some theory still unproof yet for the 1st version when xbox 360 was launch. Most of my fren that had xbox360 when it first came out has no problem playing 7-8 hrs everyday. i also dunno beside the falcon chip the 1st lauch xbox360 and then the other production like core system , premiun system any diffrent in the hardware ? but most my 1st lauch xbox360 didn't get 3rod...

please dont buy
later on another topik title
"there is 3 red light blinking on my 360"

well since they say that with the new falcon chipset, there is no chances to elimate the 3ROD. if buying extra accessories like heat sink AKA fan would help reduce the chances of 3ROD.
But still ppl manage to hit 3ROD with water cooling system....lol

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Added on February 27, 2008, 2:49 pmif ppl is buying xbox surely they will know there will be 3ROD on their way is just matter on time, at the buyer surely aware of it.
i did my research on this better i buy.... but still im temped.....

This post has been edited by blinky_w: Feb 27 2008, 02:49 PM

OMG...blinky...blinky...what can I say...

I don't know why u said Elite are not available in Falcon chipet...it's not true that Elite is only available with older chips ler...most 360 now is Falcon chipset ad lor, unless its manufacturer date is before 24th August 2007...read more bout it and how to differentiate them here:

AnandTech.com

CONCLUSION, i suggest u to get any 360 with Falcon chipset!!! all the ORIGINAL 360 comes with 3 years warranty by MS ad...to be safe, visit trusted console retailer like GH at Cineleisure...

NOT all Halo Edition is modded ler bro, i think u're getting some misleading information...it's true that Halo Edition is almost 99% in Falcon chipset, but whether it's modded or not depends on the retail shop mod it anot...bear in mind NO 360 comes in "modded" OEMly...there are tons of Halo Edition unmodded out there which comes with 3 years warranty geh lor...

No point mentioning bout ur fren's 360 getting 3ROD anot now...it's YOU who are deciding whether which 360 to get...and we're NOT recommending 2nd hand older chipset b'coz of the risk of 3ROD...so far, Falcon chip is considered safe...so, based on what we know today...I'm recommending Falcon as well...whether it's Elite, Halo Edition, Premium or Arcade package it's up to u...

B buy the new falcon xbox360 and try ur luck....

This post has been edited by GamersFamilia: Feb 27 2008, 03:08 PM

wahahaha.....thank bro for the advise.....
think of getting the falcon now.....so temped...............
i think get it by next week....

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Added on February 27, 2008, 3:11 pmit seem most ppl perfer the falcon set...wowohaah...thank bro..

This post has been edited by blinky_w: Feb 27 2008, 03:11 PM

go and fetch ur Falcon now ! aauuung aauuuung auuuung ! haha

If you can wait for a few more months, then go for the Jasper set. you want to try your luck, then you can go take the falcon.

take it easy hulk....dun turn green.......
haha...hopufully next week...can't wait.....then next my target......dell 24" lcd monitor....then i pok kai liao....

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Added on February 27, 2008, 3:20 pmwat is jasper set??

This post has been edited by blinky_w: Feb 27 2008, 03:20 PM

another new Chip (rumor) .. same like falcon la... ...

jasper the upcoming chipset for the 360...for me la...we didnt know if the chipset also ok or not...may be some of it also will hit the 3rod...

go for a falcon blinky_w....go and buy it next week...waaaa...!

Is there any significant lowered chances for falcon? i heard ppl still kena 3rod but is any hard data that falcon lower the risk?

when time for jasper come
most of us has been join dark forces since
the darth 3rod forces is getting stronger day by day

NEVER!!!
MY NEW FALCON JEDI WILL NOT JOIN THE darth 3rod forces!!!!


3rod: i m your father.........!!!
Falcon: Noo... noo... NNOOOOOOOOOOOO..............

There is no point in waiting for the Jasper. Because there will ALways be a newer chip coming in, a newer heatsink, and even maybe,heaven forbid, a new gpu... okla, maybe not that la...

The thing is, if you want to wait for the new stuff, you will always end up waiting because things change really fast and you'll miss out a lot along the way.

exactly...why wait when we want to "game" now!!! by waiting for jasper etc or whatever...we are done and completed GTA IV twice ad lor...there are no ending if consumer decided to play the "waiting" game in my opinion...there will always be newer products and technology everyday...company hired peeps to work for them to create better technology for god sake!

i go for b... cant wait any more... ive been waiting since xb 360 launch ready..

No lor. If wait can get Gears Of War 2 with Jasper set. Muahahaha

go buy and get urself a copy of COD 4...

Oh yeah.............buying all the good title...so much to play...so little time.....

Still, is Falcon really worth it? I mean its 300+ for the Falcon one compared to the old one, I don't want to drop extra money just to get 3ROD in a month or two.

This post has been edited by Voxe: Feb 27 2008, 05:21 PM

huh? the price is the same what. where got different ?

well im telling u guys it worth it..i mean the falcon much better then the previous unit...if jasper and so what ever upcoming chips,do u think 3rod never hit em...they will..then we wait again and again...so just duduk tgk astro much better liew.

at least less chances of getting it .....haha...bro u worry too much...it all depend of faith....you got faith in MS then maybe you wil not kena loh..
may the 3ROD not be with u ....!!!

yeap...dont think it too much then



This post has been edited by GamersFamilia: Feb 27 2008, 05:38 PM

No lor. If wait "longer" can get Xbox 720 with Gears of War 5. Muahahaha

Time is there for you to arrange...without a 360, u can't say/do anything...with a 360, u can spare some time to enjoy the gaming session and arrange "more" time for urself to enjoy even "more" gaming session

i think some retailer are clearing stock at lower price Djinn...as a matter of fact, Falcon are the popular choices for many consumer who are aware of 3ROD problem...

i think we should put up a banner in front of MS, TAK NAK with the picture of 3ROD!!! wahahah

usually i go to my fren house to play xbox360 due to that the console not mine...i really can't enjoy the GOW...but i finish it in few hours without paying much atttention to the detail.....
Soon when i got my xbox360 i get to play more.....................................

This post has been edited by blinky_w: Feb 27 2008, 05:43 PM

blinky_w...when are u planning to get the falcon 360?

HOOOHooooHHooo...so far how many LY member got their falcon set??? (am i the one going to be tester? )
myb proberly next week loh..need to make a few contact to get it from supplier.....but if cannot then next next week loh...buy from store(recommanded from LY).....

This post has been edited by blinky_w: Feb 27 2008, 05:55 PM

Aiya, let him become Jasper tester ma.

Your math suck or mine suck? So you don't play 2,3,4 and end up playing 5?

LOL...pray that GOW5 still keep "chainsaw".

I guess u didn't even read the TS's 1st post before posting here...TS started the thread to ask opinion on which 360 he should get with option A, B or C...not asking "when" he should get it...u're way OOT and ridiculously suggested blinky to wait for the unconfirmed Jasper because he will get Gears of Wars 2...It's not about who's math is better...the point is, even if he get his 360 today...he will still be able to enjoy GOW2 when it's release here...nieway, judging by the way blinky posted i assume he will get a 360 very soon...glad that TS found answer for his purpose to start this thread -peaceout-

This post has been edited by Ricgatebecko: Feb 27 2008, 07:38 PM

Thanks blinky for opening this thread, helping me make up my mind. I am in the same situation like you, getting 360 next week. Falcon for me too.

This post has been edited by Voxe: Feb 27 2008, 07:46 PM

B...I vote B.... No need wait jasper...u can get now..plus many gooooooD titles to look out for in 2008,

My LIST !!
GTA 4
Midnight club LA <--- Ill spent my money on LE, SE or watever it comes with..
Forza 3 Rumoured <--- said to be released same time as GT5 Hopefully la
GOW2
And many more


oh wait, this is To buy or not to buy xbox360 thread not wat im going to buy thread.. <<<---- See how excited am i..

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Added on February 27, 2008, 7:57 pmoh yea, PS3 has to most Fuked up Friendlist/Inviting player/send msg Function ever...lucky i buy my ps3 juz for blu lei and GT5..

This post has been edited by ImSIEBEL: Feb 27 2008, 07:57 PM

what i did was B

Don't you know Jasper will come out in August? So how many month more to wait? Is either he can wait or go for the falcon. And Gears Of War 2 is 1 of the best title and will give the best shocking exp for new user on 360.

If the Jasper can make slighty difference and avoid 3 rod problem a bit, I'll still wait for the Jasper set because the design for Falcon to reduce CPU more then GPU is stupid.

GT4 is only 1 of your best title up there ( exclude GOW 2 ). Sieble sieble..... Pity you.... Find more lar..... Not all ppl like racing ok........

This post has been edited by MmxZero: Feb 28 2008, 09:17 AM

You can:

1) Sit around and twiddle thumbs, waiting for a 100% failure-proof 360 to come out while everyone else is enjoying the awesome games on theirs and slowly come to the realisation that the community is pretty awesome and supporting Zerg's claymore product is something you look forward to all day;

or 2) take action, and get a falcon set from a reputable seller like GH, because you know that there have been improvements made, and that the warranty is good for 3 years, and that reputable sellers will honour that warranty and the sale. You then place your falcon set in a well ventilated place, and keep the general area dust-free, and ensure your media is taken good care of, comfortable in the knowledge that 3ROD is nothing but a small number, and that you're in the majority, and even if you're not, there's a mechanism in place, through the warranty, to solve your worries.

waiting make me crazzy,
waiting make me crazzy,
waiting make me crazzy,
waiting make me crazzy,
waiting make you crazzy,

dont wait just go ahead and buy..... there is no prof that jasper will minimizee rrod, as what ppl sayin better prevent than cure... prevention is as above and jasper is the cure.. hahaha can use ar this saying?.. hahaha really depend on luck la.... later jasper come out other problem might surface... so there is totally nothing is perfect.

or if u wish no rrod go for ps3.. ops u heard me ps3 for sure no rrod.

very good...welcome to falcon family

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Added on February 28, 2008, 12:42 pmagree with ur statement...

This post has been edited by GamersFamilia: Feb 28 2008, 12:42 PM

Of course i've read about articles that the rumoured Jasper might be release in August...and to wait for that means blinky have to sit out on the bench and have no game time for the next 6 months...I agreed with u that GOW2 is gonna be a big hit like expected bro mmxzero. Meanwhile, I will still stand firm on my personal suggestion to blinky (TS) to get a Falcon now from a reputable seller like GH and play with his 360 without worries for 3 years during warranty period at least...and it seems that 99% of those who posted here are having the same thought...

Your statement about the design of Falcon is "stupid" is too harsh and subjective ler bro...Microsoft spent lots of time and expenses with research to come up with a better chipset for obvious reason...and will keep doing it to improve further in every department...i choose to keep faith with Microsoft on this department...

To be fair, Siebel DID put "And many more" under GOW2...how can u say such comment like "Pity you...Find more lar...Not all ppl like racing ok..."???
How can possibly siebel put all of the big upcoming titles on his single post? Furthermore, those are only some example provided by siebel personally...

This post has been edited by Ricgatebecko: Feb 28 2008, 01:32 PM

dude, get xbox elite and new is always better...
i plan to sell my xbox360 just to get the elite edition just because of the black color to match my tv and home theater sys and of course hdmi... but not sure yet i just might wait for a better price...

FALCON PUNCH!!1!

yea but i think not only match ur home theater system but most important is the 120GB HDD , HDMI & 65nm Falcon.I bought it at Gamers Hideout around RM1990.00 + 1 free Games.

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Added on February 28, 2008, 4:35 pmdont la, im not married yet...haha

This post has been edited by GamersFamilia: Feb 28 2008, 04:35 PM

Thank You my loyal customer

and B will be my choice also.

A? I don't think so, I play min. 4 hours per day also kena 3ROD yesterday.

This post has been edited by Zerg1008: Feb 28 2008, 04:39 PM

yes...totally agree with u.

Im sure Siebel did here before Too Human, Farcry 2, Dead Space, Army Of Two....... And out of the 4, 2 of them were racing.

You telling me MS spent a lot of time and money researching a chipet to make the console better then researching and redoing the whole motherboard which will solve the problem for good?

This is call marketing product strategy. Instead investing money to create a new motherboard ( which is taking the old 1 and just redo it since the have already a base line ), they went and just try to reduce the size of the chip and which also reduce their cost but make more profit. In time, they will lose trust from customer but they have the money already they want to.

Creating a new motherboard which you must spent a lot in researching and they are scared they are not able to cover the whole life cycle cost. This will make both party win win. But instead Ms wants to win and you lose. So in the end of 360, Ms scared that Cost > Profit. So they must make more money.

And to recover the lost of so much money ( they put 1 billion into warranty claims ), they just reduce 1 tiny thing which will reduce the cost and sell at the same price, they still get back a bit more from what to usually earn.

We play games we use more GPU then CPU. You can try use an electronic termometer and measure the heat on GPU and CPU and see how much difference.

Okay...again it's very subjective and I guess I'm not on the same wavelength as u...we are way OOT here...back to the topic, i will still go for "B"

This post has been edited by Ricgatebecko: Feb 28 2008, 08:15 PM

whatever it is B tak ada yang lain !...simple question , simple answer

so then Ｂ　is the answer.......
wahah...sure getting one soon...
but for GOW2 , is not really GOW2 is just pickup from where the finish and continue it. proberly they will come out with another kinda of cool name..... MS still haven't confirm yet ............
so what the heck play all the old game first

1. Oblivion
2.Bioshock
3.GOW
4.ACE COMBAT
5.DMC 4
6. HALO3
7. COD4
8. and lot more still to come......

the main point of my post is...........is...................im getting one falcon too....wahaahah..

Ok, So happy to see u got ur answer now, i cant wait to let someone to close ur thread.

----------------- close thread

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Added on February 29, 2008, 8:38 amgizz....go and get it liew !

---- close again hahahah !


This post has been edited by GamersFamilia: Feb 29 2008, 08:38 AM

WELCOME......

thread close again............................

Who wanna pinjam me money? Tak cukup for Falcon lol

Voxe..u wanna buy falcon unit the pro or the elite? may be arcade once haha

Err pro. Arcade got here meh?

well yea...at sungei wang plaza they have the unmodded falcon arcade xbox360.Or try to get it from gamers solution..gamers hideout most of it they only have the elite falcon edition..

for those search for an elite falcon edition gamers hideout would be the best shop to get it.

what the different betweeen arcade version that other like elite or premier??

well the diffrent between all 3 kindda version

arcade set - no HDD included , the dvd tray ( white ) , white wireless controller , no headset , no network cable , no HDMI digital av cable , console color ( white )


premier - 20GB HDD included , chrome dvd tray , white wireless controller , white headset , network cable , no HDMI digital av cable , console color ( white )


elite - 120GB HDD , chrome dvd tray , console color ( black ) , black headset , network cable , HDMI digital av cable , Optical/RCA Audio adapter included

* Most of the latest 360 arcade and premium have HDMI output ( so if u wanna use the HDMI must buy the HDMI digital av cable )

* Most of them LOT 734 and above are FALCON 65nm Chipset



This post has been edited by GamersFamilia: Mar 1 2008, 11:32 AM

mmmmmmmm.....that raise another question to me again!!!!!!!!!!

which version to buy now??

a: arcade (cheaper, for other thing that is lag like HDD get it 2nd hand!!!)


b: get a premier version


c: get a elite version (but 20gb for me is more than enuf.....i think so far)

This post has been edited by blinky_w: Mar 1 2008, 10:19 PM

I think u got ur answer why u still wanna ask it again???

Because the first question was about choosing zephyr and falcon but now its about choosing which version for falcon.

@blinky: If I were you and have no HDTV, I would get the Arcade because extra for the premium is 20GB HD and HDMI cable. Elite is tempting but way over my budget.

Please see the word i highlight, he can describe himself, i think he should know the answer.

ya.....i know im choosing falcon chipset...sorry to confuse you all ..just trying to ask what else in the market is falcon chipset of xbox360 available.....like elite, arcade or normal one.....

sorry

This post has been edited by blinky_w: Mar 2 2008, 09:33 AM

Is ok.... bro. Just keep going to get it, if u got the money, i think u should have no problem to get one.

for u blinky... B

ok thank you....wahahh.....o ya...wat is the diffrent of HD ready. does it really support 1080i or 1080p? i m not really sure wat does HD ready mean??

HD ready , starting from 720p . Full HD = 1080p .

so that mean it will not go to 1080 rite...?
if buying a LCD or plasma tv getting a full HD is better than HD ready....but sometime i look at some HD movie the quality seem like a bit too real from movie....the frame rate sometime is a bit faster and sometime a bit slower, i have compare it coz there was another LCD tv next to the PLASMA TV both runnning at the same time coz the movie run on 1 player (dunno is DVD player or HD-dvd or blu-ray) the LCD tv seem to be a head of the plasma video for like 1-2 sec.

is it really does have this problem or i m just imagining?

i think what's happening is this:

Both plasma and lcd are displaying the same thing in the shop

1) you look at the plasma. it's showing a scene. you then take 1-2 sec to turn your head to look at the lcd.
2) you then look at lcd, and it's showing a different scene! omg!@ hax! it's 1-2 seconds ahead of the scene you saw on the plasma~!!
3) you file a lawsuit against the lcd manufacturer for illegal tamering with the space-time continuum and put them out of business, and claim damages worth RM6.923 billion.



seriously, if you can afford a full HD 1080p tele that's of a decent size, like 42"+, then by all means get the falcon elite with the HDMI and enjoy to the max.
if you've got nothing that can handle 1080p, and if you won't be able to get one anytime soon, and if you dun wan to fork out the extra cash then go for the lower end one lah.

so ultimately it depends on how far you're willing to go to spend $.

wow

really?? from the scenario just now...does it rarely happen o?
well....my budget is RM3000 for a xbox and a 24" LCD monitor....well i know i have to add a bit more money.
i m hoping to purchase a 24" LCD monitor in the next few months time.
so rite now i think i going to stick with my 17" wide screen monitor for now.
actually how do i connect the monitor to my xbox? is it via a VGA line or does the wire come with xbox?

sorry i ask so many NOOB question!!!!

use vga cable.

yea VGA cable for the Xbox360 around rm140.00 if im not mistaken at GH

go for B choice!!
i did the A choice for 2 times.now keeping the 2 used dead xboxes and this is my third new set using falcon..much money waste already
go for B dude..

If HDD is not important to you get a Pro version then spend some money for HDMI.

and make sure u get the latest pro version which have hdmi output, then spend some money to get the hdmi cable.

just to sumary all the important point you all said

>>>>Falcon<<<
falcon set have a HDMI output even for premier, old chipset will not have HDMI output rite? and is there anyway to determine which is a falcon chipset?

if i buy a HDMI cable will be sound n graphic be better than normal VGA cable.?

This post has been edited by blinky_w: Mar 3 2008, 11:12 AM

Sound I dunno but graphics should be because of the direct process and whatnot. ..

easy liew , just look at the LOT number..Lot 734 and above , power supply 175w..confirm falcon

Thanks for the advise.....
my financial adviser next week o....sigh...have till wait until next week.....

orait but dont wait too long eh !

tat y have to force my financial adviser a bit o...or else if she get angry i lose everything o .....haha

u tackle her bit la....bring her to candle lite dinner.