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post Apr 8 2008, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(chatwarrior @ Apr 7 2008, 01:44 AM)
Malaysia Boleh !! Apa pun boleh !!
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jap2.. what is SC??
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post Apr 13 2008, 02:02 AM

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have u guys heard that banks approve personal loans for this things?? (to become count) is it true?? is it legal??
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post Apr 16 2008, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(keithdcmw @ Apr 16 2008, 03:06 PM)
yeah, those failed ppl who don`t even try sure have many negatives, i`ve heard of it, as long as im doing good, i don`t have to listen what other ppl said, many ppl success there, n there`s also failure, just because the money they invested, n the lazy pigs just sit down n wait for money, thats what make them negative now, n now wat ? spread to the whole world

if LB is a scam, it won`t exist until now, LB has history of 100+ years, in 11 countries, there`s also a street name called Lampe Berger street in France, only Malaysia ppl think its scam, thx to those Skim Cepat Kaya n so on...thats stupid ppl who thinks its really cepat kaya, dchl is a company DUDE, A HUGE company, u only heard the ppl failed here typing in forum, talking how they fail, how much they get cheated, y ? because the success once already exploring the world, owning sport cars, earning 5 digits income per month, earning another extra half million income twice a year, they dun even care what ppl say

they already enjoying their lives n don`t even want to care abt those negative news, n that makes the negatives more n more, but who cares ? ppl likes to listen to news, likes gossips, wants to work for the rest of the live, don`t want to get any chance in their live, don`t wanna give a try, then well, just work forever, earning 1k per month, maybe more...loaning banks, but nvm, since they prefer it, they chose their way, n all the advice n suggestions given by ppl who failed, sitting in forum chatting, nothing to do, they prefer talking then actions

its a GREAT feeling looking at my partners success, paying cash for the ferrari, LV bags, cool sport shoes, enjoying moments of live, going all over the countries, nvm, they enjoyed, who give a damn if other ppl don`t wanna try, u want to spread, just spread, spread until u get enuf smile.gif nvm, every ppl born sure have to get pass this level, but some ppl success, y ?

COZ THEY DONT GIVE A DAMN WHAT PPL SAY !
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is LB sold the same way in France as it is sold here in Malaysia?? or only the SYN making it into a network marketing??
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post Apr 16 2008, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(zhinsara @ Apr 16 2008, 10:16 PM)
no. it is sold via the regular retail channels and is drastically cheaper.
and the official site does not have any of the claims that DCHL/syn has, eg, aromatherapy. the lamp is a perfume lamp, nothing more.

SYN/DCHL is using LB as a front.
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do u know where can i get price comparison?? maybe can use it as prove to show to others.. i only can view the on9 one.. but what about the ones sold by SYN/DCHL..
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post Apr 17 2008, 03:46 PM

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can i try to become lampa?? hehe.. (even if i'm not)
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post Apr 17 2008, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(greyshadow @ Apr 17 2008, 03:46 PM)
btw, got this info from one of the ex-syn member

perviously most of the SYN members are almost 90% C race and recently when she went back to menara HLA, 90% of the members are M race.

Seems like they are changing their tactics by targeting young M, especially those still in campus.
Btw, there's nothing wrong with LB, the real culprit here is SYN/DCHL syndicate which actually give LB a very bad name, by spreading misleading and false information about it, and also mark up the price exorbitantly here.
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previously.. SYN only target chinese.. as they want chinese to have this business.. so they claim.. but until already dah tepu.. they need to start to recruit malays.. and in the future.. go to india i think..
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post Apr 17 2008, 06:19 PM

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hmm.. u know what..
since malaysian are in the mood of protesting.. y not.. protest in front of HLA..
anyone here want to start.. hehe.. (me pndi je bg cadangan.. buatnye.. hmm.. sng ckp.. buat susah.. haha..)

and.. by the way.. are HLA people allowed to gather that much?? can it be called perhimpunan haram??
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post Apr 17 2008, 07:50 PM

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they call it.. "think positive" i think..
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post Apr 20 2008, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(beatlesalbum @ Apr 19 2008, 04:36 PM)
Going back to topic of this scam, I am wondering if Amway and Cosway sales organization is any different. May I even add nu-skin?
I mean they make money from:
1) Recruiment
2) Overcharging for their products(supplements, lamps, cosmetics,etc)
3) Give you a hokey tale of how their products is the best in the world and how its health benefits has backing of scientific community,etc.
But these orgs like LB are registered as legal busnieses. Shouldnt the govt know how detrimental this can be?
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i think the different is.. they are selling real products.. and which product you are saying that is overcharging?? so far.. what i know is the price.. maybe not the lowest.. but i think its competitive..correct me if i'm wrong..
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post Apr 24 2008, 10:38 AM

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seems like iza getting more friends here.. happy.gif go LYN vs SYN..off course LYN wins.. happy.gif cheer up iza.. as long u know the truth.. happy.gif
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post Apr 25 2008, 07:43 AM

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QUOTE(a_yu_volution @ Apr 25 2008, 03:20 AM)

well...its the way LB people handle the business...its not transparent... I mean...if u were to join they wont tell u everything...until u have dumped a huge amount of cash and when suddenly u want a refund and tats when the catch comes to play...

as an example...what they did now if I was not mistaken...the upline bought alot of lamps and when u want to join they said u can choose ur own lamp from DCHL...the basic rule is u can get 90% refund before 90 days if u decided to quit the business...but suddenly when you want to return these lamps...u found out that only 20% of it are refundable due to the different item class...such as collectors lah and so forth...and to make things worse...it wasn't purchased under your name a.k.a its the old stocks that was bought by your uplines...and lets say u dumped in RM 36K...and if u lucky enuf to get 90% (10% loss) of the amount then it is fine...but imagine if u lose 80% of the amount u dumped initially...well you do the math...

and.....to score faster you will need to dump in more cash in order to upgrade your status/income/percentage rate...well then u will start to dump in more your hard earn money or even borrow here and there...promising others that u will pay them back in no time...BUT...imagine lets say you failed and now you have very little life saving or even debts...

what they really teach the downline is...how to hide critical information such as above example...and they have trainings for this...

and yeah....the items are overpriced...its the money that dumped by downlines will give the upline commission...and make them get their money back...and to make profits...so if u joined the system...in order to get your money back and to make profits...you have to find other people to become your downline...and so forth...

okay...up till now it is legal in malaysia rite...but what if suddenly as an example the gov issue an order to shutdown the company...then...those who just joined wont even get back their money...a.k.a pyramid scheme...

theoritically...you can be rich with LB...first...dump in a huge amount of money>find more people to dump in more money>you will get you initial investment soon enuf (say 1 or 2 months)>find more people (now you are making profit already)>challenge for higher position (make profit)>profits profits profits...

...all you need is positive mind + undying efforts to find people...and if you don't have enuf time...quit your daily job to focus on LB full time...and enjoy your life while you're at it...

simple right???

...just ignore any consequences that might comes along with LB...such as losing your friends and families because you told them it would work (whilst not everybody can do the business) and they said you have lied to them just because they couldn't make it work...because...

LAMPA BURGER IS FOR WINNERS (;those who made profits)
AND STRICTLY NOT FOR LOSERS (;those who dumped in cash to fuel the upline profits)...
THOSE WHO HAVE FAILED PROVES THAT THEY ARE LOSERS (;lose money losers loh...not my problem)...
AND ARE NOT FIT TO DO THE BUSINESS...SO JUST FORGET IT...QUIT THE BUSINESS (;if u decided to quit nvm de cuz your upline already got your money LOL)...
DO NOT AFAID OF WHAT OTHERS THINK EVEN YOUR DAD  MOM SISTER GRANDPA GRANDMA (;if they think negative then they are LOSERS)...
JUST LOSE THE FAMILIES AND FRIENDS (;who needs them...what you need is money and more money )...
YOU HAVE MORE FRIENDS IN LAMPA THAN YOUR REAL WORLD FRIENDS (;you try lah ask these so called friends in lampa to sponsor you to settle your debts...TFK till vomit blood oso they wont lah...BS)...


LOL...LAMPA BURGER IS LIKE A JUNGLE WAITING FOR YOU TO EXPLORE IT...IF DIE DIE LAH
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waaaa.. this really sums it up.. rclxms.gif
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post Apr 27 2008, 03:01 AM

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i think.. instead of condemning the lamps.. we should be more focus on the SYN instead.. in my personal opinion.. the lamps did nothing wrong.. but the SYN is the real problem..
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post Apr 28 2008, 04:24 PM

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they target to go for indians i think.. and also go to India as well..
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post Jun 6 2008, 08:05 AM

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QUOTE(molerex @ Jun 6 2008, 04:11 AM)
I'm the SYNer..i would like to tell ...please call the KPDNHEP a.s.a.p...they can show our biz is legal biz..

This biz no problem wif goverment...goverment staff also join this biz n  they not cheat any person , one month later they oredi success ..the secret ..tell about the  biz..if anybody interested just join ..if not leave it...is it call CON?? we are not persuade or paksa...we just introduce the biz..decide by yourself..is it right ??if u are not interested just forget it...all of forumer talk to much but nothing..only talk talk talk...if u are not like the MLM biz..diam je la... if u feel comfortable wif ur life...just go on  wif what u do right now to get money..jgn bising2 la..everybody have their own life, ambition..

donald trump already say if he have second choice..MLM will be the choice...so?? we are not force anybody to invest (not invest la...pjg la nak cerita...)the money...we give the opportunity n the way to success...if u are going to say NO...we understand what u feel..is it simple deal right??

about the blog...owner of antilampeberger blog is a partner of Lampe Berger before this..after he join this biz n do nothing (just wait for money)...he not get any profit..so he very angry wif this biz la....come on la...do nothing u will get the money ka??? think bout it...
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just quoting this part here "we are not persuade or paksa"? are you really sure about that? telling people that their life is not good enough. saying if we do not change our lifestyle, we will be in lose. (prove me that non of the SYNers will not say this).

And now you are saying this is MLM? where else, SYNers claim is not MLM but FRANCHISING. How many bullsh1t is being thrown here. An I heard that can refund if don't like. But not full refund?? (correct me if I'm wrong). And think of this, this system is better without LB. LB products are much cheaper. Might as well just do this business without it. can gain more money.. just recruit.. but that is illegal..
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post Jun 6 2008, 06:26 PM

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by the way.. i understand it's not a scam.. but the concept it's got something wrong there.. and the way they brainwash.. makes people feel bad about their lives..

and also, the products sold by SYN really isn't worth that much.. (by the way don't compare to ebay, because ebay is different. Not retail price). But compare to retail price instead..

and could you please tell us here or explain about the refund concept??
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post Jun 6 2008, 06:37 PM

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QUOTE(sandw|ch @ Jun 6 2008, 06:17 PM)
not to support SYN or anything.. but the list got updated.. no more lampe berger.. need to find other sources.. maybe they manage to take their name out of the list..

http://www.sc.com.my/ENG/HTML/licensing/in...Alert_list.html


Added on June 6, 2008, 6:42 pmmaybe.. can check on pyramid legallity of SYNers..


Molorex.. do you claim or not.. SYN is a pyramid scheme??

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post Jun 6 2008, 06:53 PM

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and.. i think.. those who wants to join this kind of people must only be trained people.. and really HAVE MONEY and not ask people to take loans where there wont be any garantee.. ASB is somewhat ganranteed.. and you can sell back the loan..

and SYN should not just recruiting anyone.. even students.. these is not like jobs.. but i think you know what i mean.. is not you are "selected"..

and.. cars mahal because of tax.. try to compare with perfume prices.. how much different is it compared to lampe berger here n US.. and perfume here and US..

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post Jun 6 2008, 08:21 PM

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QUOTE(molerex @ Jun 6 2008, 06:54 PM)
thanks psyntium...

SYN is not pyramid scheme coz..my partner get more money then me because his very hardworking guy( i'm slow n steady guy..heheheh)...then he got the rank 1st..i got nothing with his job..see..is it pyramid?? in our biz,  u are hard working.. then u got ur benefit...not just sitting n waiting the money...heeeh
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but then.. if five of your partners.. are doing really good.. and you duduk rumah doing nothing.. still you get more money from them right??


Added on June 6, 2008, 8:25 pmplease refer to this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_scheme

and prove me that SYN does not have any of this:

the key identifiers of a pyramid scheme include the following:

* A highly excited sales pitch.
* A reassurance that it is not, in fact, a pyramid scheme, possibly with a false account of what a pyramid scheme is.
* Little to no information offered about the company unless an investor purchases the products and becomes a participant.
* Vaguely phrased promises of limitless income potential.
* No product, or a product being sold at a price ridiculously in excess of its real market value, or a product with minimal or unrealistic market potential. As with the company, the product is vaguely described.
* An income stream that chiefly depends on the commissions earned by enrolling new members or the purchase by members of products for their own use rather than sales to customers who are not participants in the scheme.
* A tendency for only the early investors/joiners to make any real income.
* Assurances that it is perfectly legal to participate.
* The insistence they are not here to pressure you but merely to guide you.
* The idea that there are no bosses, only coaches and mentors.

maybe this cannot be the base.. but it leads to somewhere.


Added on June 6, 2008, 8:26 pmand prove me again why it is not a pyramid??

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post Jun 8 2008, 07:07 AM

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i think.. cannot use this link as a source:
http://www.dsam.org.my/list.html

since cosway is not listed also.. hmm..
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post Jun 18 2008, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(chatwarrior @ Jun 18 2008, 02:52 PM)
Show proof. Otherwise shut up. Or why call that building Tower of Death ?
Show us the HKTVB video la, why show us your stupid kungfool video which has nothing to do with LB ?

All your childish acts and replies are actually to help their business, you think I don't know ? You are paid to put up all these.
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so far.. found this source but not strong enough.. just search for DCHL..
http://www.macaudailytimesnews.com/index.p...sk=view&id=4687

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