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dreamer101
post Feb 28 2008, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(g00glesYYl @ Feb 28 2008, 09:31 AM)
1-7 yrs, the money to cover the insurance plus investment.

most money got to insurance, so, the money i can get back is very less. After 7 yrs, then u can see the return is more.

i am very lazy to make any comparison liao. So, i think i will take this offer.
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g00glesYYl,

<<i am very lazy to make any comparison liao. So, i think i will take this offer.>>

1) You WORK so hard for your money. But, you are TOO LAZY to make sure that you do not WASTE your money. Where is the logic here?? This is a HUGE commitment across many years.

2) Insurance is NOT savings. If you cannot save at least 10% to 15% of your gross income after paying insurance, you are buying TOO MUCH insurance.

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post Feb 28 2008, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(Kayne @ Feb 28 2008, 10:46 AM)
Wrong, it is LAZY individual that will act like that.

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Kayne,

No. Stupid individual. If a person going to waste their money away, why work hard for money to begin with?

"Stupid is as stupid does"
Forrest Gump

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dreamer101
post May 9 2008, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(bbjslee @ May 9 2008, 10:00 PM)
"Savings is needed in case of emergency". Now... think, what is emergency?

- Is going to Karaoke emergency?
- Buying handphone?
- Buying gift for gf/bf?
or...
- Had an accident warded to hospital require surgery?
- Diagnosed with cancer, requires treatment?
- Husband passed away (bread winner of family), how much can you survive with the saving in the bank?

RM150 / month, you get RM100k death benefit, how many months do you need to save to reach RM100k if you save RM150 per month?

Majority traditional Life Insurance plan will break even about 15 - 20 years, which means Surrender Value is more than total premium you paid.
So if you bought an Insurance plan at the age of 22, and when you reach say.... age 65 you feel that you are old enough... die die la, don't need the insurance anymore, no more dependent... etc. You can surrender the policy and a very high chances are the cash you got back is more than the premiums you paid.

Yes. I'm an Insurance Agent (GE). What I'm trained in giving a quotation to client is...
1. Annual premium should be around monthly salary to maintain affordability. You're only putting about 8% of your monthly salary into insurance.
- Salary RM2400/monthly, pay about RM200 per month for your insurance lor.

2. Sum assured should be around 3 times your yearly expenses. So that your dependent can survive on your insurance for at least 3 years or more.
- Monthly expenses about RM2000, 3 years is RM72000. Sum assured is RM72000.
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bbjslee,

So, if someone is lay off, they can come to you for money. Since you told them that they ONLY need insurance, they do not need EMERGENCY FUND.

<< Yes. I'm an Insurance Agent (GE). What I'm trained in giving a quotation to client is...
1. Annual premium should be around monthly salary to maintain affordability. You're only putting about 8% of your monthly salary into insurance.
- Salary RM2400/monthly, pay about RM200 per month for your insurance lor.

2. Sum assured should be around 3 times your yearly expenses. So that your dependent can survive on your insurance for at least 3 years or more.
- Monthly expenses about RM2000, 3 years is RM72000. Sum assured is RM72000.>>

B.S. It is VERY SIMPLE. If a person is NOT saving 10% to 15% of their GROSS INCOME, they are spending TOO MUCH. So, a person SHOULD NOT pay 8% to insurance and if they cannot SAVE 10% to 15% of their GROSS INCOME on top of that.

<<Majority traditional Life Insurance plan will break even about 15 - 20 years, which means Surrender Value is more than total premium you paid.>>

How likely for a person to continue employment/income uninterrupted for 15 to 20 years?

<<which means Surrender Value is more than total premium you paid.>>

If a person buy term life insurance and save the additional premium into FD, the person will make MORE MOENY.

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post May 9 2008, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(g00glesYYl @ May 9 2008, 10:55 PM)
i already having the plan.

i think, most of the people know, insurance is for protection.

RM200 is about my 7% of nett income. So, i think i am still afford especially when i am single as now.

investment is bomnus for it. Investment link does not gurantee the return, and this is the risk. Yet, it can create more return than Life insurance.

When there is a risk, there is a chance.

With this amount, i can have the protection and may be the return. Why not?

The only risk i forseen is, i lost my return. And just like unit trust. i need force to cancel it. So, i need to take an eye on it always... And, i told my agent to alert me on this.
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g00glesYYl,

<<RM200 is about my 7% of nett income. So, i think i am still afford especially when i am single as now.>>

If you are saving 10% to 15% of your GROSS INCOME on top of that, you can afford IT. If not, you CANNOT. In ALL your posts so far, you DID not mention what is your saving level. If you SAVE NOTHING, you are SPENDING TOO MUCH. End of discussion.

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Added on May 9, 2008, 11:37 pm
QUOTE(bbjslee @ May 9 2008, 10:42 PM)

4. How likely is a person to be unemployed for 3 months in Malaysia? (Not even a cashier / waitress job?)

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bbjslee,

1) How many recessions have you experienced in your life??

2) You can be under-employed too. Aka, used to be manager but now work as casher. With reduced income, you need savings to supplement your income to survive for a while.

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This post has been edited by dreamer101: May 9 2008, 11:37 PM
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post May 10 2008, 04:21 AM

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QUOTE(bbjslee @ May 10 2008, 12:04 AM)
Sorry maybe have misinterpreted your POV. I sincerely apologize for it.
1. We do agree on certain things.
- SAVING IS A MUST.
- Certain protection should be in place. (Dreamer seems to be more supportive of term insurance than whole life)

2. What we couldn't really agree on is what is EMERGENCY.
- We have different personal definition on it.
- For me, any events regarding health or accident is more emergency because we could never foresee it coming.
- Besides, when you are unemployed, the last thing you want is being involved in an accident or have some serious health problem.

3. I'm a strong believer in forced saving. I set my saving account (salary) into Scheduled Inter Giro into my another bank account which I do not have ATM card or CC. And I do set aside about 20% of my salary for saving. Anyway just in case some of you got confused, I'm a part time insurance agent working towards fulltime now.

Anyway, the thread is about "Over-insured". That could never be a clear guideline on that. There are people who buy insurance policy with premium 20% of their income. It has to be reviewed case by case basis.


Added on May 10, 2008, 12:07 am

I grad in 2002 almost into 30s now. I've never been out of job for a week. Perhaps I was lucky  laugh.gif

Anyway, the way you put it, is almost like personal attack.  cool2.gif

We're here to share our POV on the subject "over-insured".
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bbjslee,

1) You did not say in your post.

2) From financial standpoint, Emergency is anything that requirement MORE MONEY than your usual expenses.

<< For me, any events regarding health or accident is more emergency because we could never foresee it coming.
- Besides, when you are unemployed, the last thing you want is being involved in an accident or have some serious health problem.>>

You COULD NOT forecast a time where you can be unemployed for a long time. But, does that mean you do not prepared for this??

3) You WOULD NOT BUY so much insurance that you could not save 20% of your income. But, you WILL NOT give the same advice to others. This is called hypocrite. You do not believe what you are saying.

<<Anyway, the thread is about "Over-insured". That could never be a clear guideline on that. There are people who buy insurance policy with premium 20% of their income. It has to be reviewed case by case basis.>>

B.S. You have a guideline for yourself. But, you would not tell others because it prevents you from selling more insurance.

<<I grad in 2002 almost into 30s now. I've never been out of job for a week. Perhaps I was lucky laugh.gif >>

It simply means that you have NEVER been through a recession. Aka, you are YOUNG and NAIVE.

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post May 10 2008, 07:45 AM

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QUOTE(bbjslee @ May 10 2008, 07:31 AM)
1. I couldn't tell you step 1 - step 100 how I sell insurance. This is not "how to sell insurance" thread. The 1 golden rule that I uphold is Be HONEST to your client. That's how I would get return clients and more referrals. Besides, I wouldn't want my client to stop his Insurance policy due to financial problem. Having less commission is better than stop of commission.

2. I agree with you. That is why I already stressed in my post. DO NOT treat insurance as your only saving. Besides the recession/employment you've been stressing all the time, you still need saving to buy cars, houses.

3. Back to my point 1.

- Have you made any insurance claim or anyone close to you made a claim before?
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bbjslee,

The title of this thread is whether the TS is over-insured

A) I said if TS cannot save 10% to 15% of his gross income, he is over-insured.

B) You claim that is not true.

But,

C) Personally, you save 20% of your income while buying insurance.

So, should we believe (B) aka what you say or © aka what you do?? Or, you are just a hypocrite??

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post May 10 2008, 09:04 AM

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QUOTE(g00glesYYl @ Feb 15 2008, 12:18 PM)
1. my salary is about 2400 - 2700 (after deduct the epf + part time allowance). Hopefully will be increase after march.

My monthly saving is like +-200 (if i pay RM200 for the insurance)

2. of course, i have parent and they are the only person that need my financial help.

3. i am doing programming and company actually but the term life and group pa for me. But i can depend on this.

4. my worries is, i have no money to buy house.
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QUOTE(g00glesYYl @ May 10 2008, 08:07 AM)
smile.gif  haha. ya, i nvr mention how is my saving level. To be honest, last time, when i have no credit card in my hand. i am still able to keep track how much i really save from my income, using simple excel form. Now, i does not able to do so. Yes, i am lazy. I know i am.  But, i believe that, i am able to save 15% from my income.

Since one of my FD is mature and i do not plan to renew it. As, i plan to put the cash in bank -> RM10k to public bank foreign currency FD very soon. And, i have no unit trust and other investment.

I will clear the credit card debt in every statement. i never kena interest before.  smile.gif

The major expenses is my car, installment RM500 and the petrol. also some dating fee.

When i read thru the post, my concern is that, i buy wrong insurance as investment link is not the one for me.
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g00glesYYl,

Let's do some simple math.

<<1. my salary is about 2400 - 2700 (after deduct the epf + part time allowance)>>

That means your gross income (aka + EPF) ~ 3K

10% of gross income = $300

15% of gross income = $450

So, you should save $300 to $450 per month

<<My monthly saving is like +-200 (if i pay RM200 for the insurance)>>

Your monthly saving after insurance is ONLY $200 = 6.7% of your gross income. Aka, it is less than $300 per month.

In summary, you CANNOT afford the insurance.

<<Since one of my FD is mature and i do not plan to renew it. As, i plan to put the cash in bank -> RM10k to public bank foreign currency FD very soon>>

How wise is that?? If you have an emergency and that foreign currency crash at that week, you will be toasted.

Your EMERGENCY FUND should NEVER exposed to ANY risk.

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post May 11 2008, 11:30 PM

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QUOTE(g00glesYYl @ May 11 2008, 08:28 PM)
Sorry, i does not update my income. Well, this yr start, i have my increment. Now, basic is 3k and 4~500 allowance.  And plus the bonus and travel/project allowance when i can travel oversea. But, not every month i can travel. this make me have less money... smile.gif

oohh. the 10k is not my emergency fund. i have nvr say that. i still have 10k more located in normal FD.
Hi lwb
Foreign FD is very hot recently. It is better than the normal FD. The risk should be lower than the unit trust as the foreign currency like aus and nz is stable compare to malaysia. So you know how this foreign FD working?
Well, i really feel thank you to your bcoz you all give such a lot of experience and opinion to me. Yes, we need to think a lot before do something. Yes, i am lazy, but i too study the plan b4, just may be not to detail.

This is year 2008, the old thing sometime cant work. If you really wan to argue, there will be a lot of things.

Dun make the life suffer. And, most of the people become rich not because how good they save the money but it is how good they use their saving make money for them. How many of you become very rich because just your saving?

build the foundation and then ... fly~~ If you fail, just mean that, you are not good enough.
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g00glesYYl,

<<orry, i does not update my income. Well, this yr start, i have my increment. Now, basic is 3k and 4~500 allowance.>>

Do you know SIMPLE MATHS?? That means with HIGHER INCOME, your saving level of 10% to 15% of your GROSS INCOME is even higher. After insurance, you are STILL not saving 10% to 15%. So, you CANNOT AFFORD the insurance.

<<Dun make the life suffer. And, MOST of the people become rich not because how good they save the money but it is how good they use their saving make money for them. How many of you become very rich because just your saving?>>

How do you know?? How MANY millionaires that you KNOW personally??

I know plenty of people that become rich just from their savings.

Earn, save, invest.

If your earning is SO MUCH that you only need savings and invest a little bit is ENOUGH.

Don't assume SOMETHING that you know NOTHING about.

From your POSTS, we know that you know VERY LITTLE about personal finance. So, how dare you to assume ANYTHING?? Isn't it foolish??

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post May 12 2008, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(g00glesYYl @ May 12 2008, 09:16 AM)
Based on what, you claim that, after insurance, i still not able to save 10 - 15%? i already mention i have the increment and of course i will have more saving as my increment is over 20-30%.

Yes, i know very little about the personal finance and i never assume anything as what you say.

Earn, save, invest. -> this is everyone know's fact. Like chinese say, "who do not know your mother is a ladies? biggrin.gif " Work hard is a must to gain better income. I am talking about the thing over the scope.

Your post is different from what i learn from the personal financial advisor. hey dreamer, why i cant listen to who is professional.

i might be foolish... but thank, i will remember you when i have more money.
the min is guaranteed. However, the max is not. Why? Because it is a livestment link, it can gove you more return compare to Life insurance(fixed 4~5%). U wan more, then u need to take the risk.
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g00glesYYl,

<<Your post is different from what i learn from the personal financial advisor. hey dreamer, why i cant listen to who is professional. >>

What can I say?? You cannot even differentiate between a sales person from a REAL personal financial adviser. Do you know the difference??

<<i might be foolish... but thank, i will remember you when i have more money. >>

Don't worry. At the rate that you are going, the money will not be staying with you for long.

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