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 How to become a millionaire before 30?, Anyone experienced before? Share please!

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Dyong
post Apr 17 2008, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Apr 17 2008, 04:26 AM)
All,

FREEDOM.  Get to spend and live your life in the way that you want.  That is my definition of success in life.

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Yes, this is exactly what I have in my mind.

Freedom = Master of your Destiny

Priceless, or at least, a very high price tag smile.gif


Dyong
post Apr 22 2008, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Apr 22 2008, 10:26 AM)
jongkolkhoo,

There are MANY paths to wealth.  There are ALL consists of variations of EARN, SAVE. and INVEST.

It takes different kind of person to do business.  I am from a small business family and I know the trouble involved in dealing with business.  I am not suitable for business.  I am NOT street smart.  But, I earn several times more that normal people in salary.  So, my path is to save as much of my income and invest wisely.  And, that is enough.

So, eazy   is relative to the person.  We all have to find what is best for us.

Thank you for your compliment.  I am the way that I am because I had been through TOO MANY recessions.  And, looks like we are coming into another big one.

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A real deep one.
Stagflation + Agrinflation + High prices of oil + USD devaluation + Sub-prime MeltDown

Everyday when I go to the malls and see ppl spending like no tomorrow.
I wonder whether I'm the only pessimist.
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post Apr 22 2008, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(wheimeng @ Apr 22 2008, 10:54 AM)
You see 'where you are'. People go to shopping mall, most likely to shop (window shopping of coz), I'm not surprised if they spend over there. People go to restaurant to eat, hence youll see a lot ppl eating like no tomorrow wink.gif

You should be more worried if nobody is spending in shopping mall...
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My point is everytime you step out of your house, you will spend something.
People are complaining about rising cost of living, rising toll but fail to take measures to tide them through difficult waters.

It's both a blessing and curse to have such convenience and comfort.
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post May 12 2008, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(Jean72 @ May 12 2008, 01:29 PM)
Dreamer,

It is ok to be skeptical over an agent's intention. Perhaps is a valid concern. As I mentioned in my last reply to Cherroy, if you are ever thinking of investing in UT, do some reading youself and decide. Perhaps it helps you to make a better decision in all investments you are intended to go for. Ask for the track record of the UTC (unit trust companies) for an indication of the fund managers' ability.

Talk about the %  commission you need to pay to UTC for the funds invested. Do allow me to point out some facts:-

Do you know how the rich have their money managed? I am sure the rich biz man out there have no time to sit in front of a computer and start monitoring their shares/properties etc. I know a rich Dato, hoping to do his biz, of course I failed. Why, because he has his very own fund manager to manage his portfolio with a fees, of course. No one will do any job for free, especially the professional. And I am sure they charged a lot higher since the service is personal

So we ask ourselves, we only have 1k to invest, which professional fund manager is kind enough to bother me? the answer, is NO (of course!) Then how? the poor is not fit to do his/her financial planning, just because he/she failed to have million of dollars to hire a personal professional fund manager?

UT is so far one of the best possible channel for ppl like us to HIRE the professional fund manger to manage our money and to make a return that helps us to at least preserve the value of our hard earned money. The best point is regardless you invest 1k or you invest 1 million, the treatment is the same. If the 1 million is being spread to 100 counters, your 1k will be spread to 100 counters as well; and managed by the same fund manager. That's how UT works.  So, how can it be free?

5-7% upfront commission is only paid when you first invest in a fund and if you kept your fund for let say 10 years or so (which most ppl do, especially the young investors), you are mainly paying 0.5 - 0.7% per year to hire your own Fund Managers. Is that too expensive? That's why it is the agent to advise the investors to keep the fund more than 3 -5 years due to this initial entry cost.

The 1.5% annual maintanance fees, is already reflected in the daily price of the fund. So if you are reading the track record of the funds, this annual fees has already been taken care off. In other words, when you see the track records of the fund, you do not need to deduct the annual fee from the return again.
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Dear Jean,

Are you one with vested interest?

The current fund structure is like insurance... pooling and spreading of risk.

I do invest in some funds, but I find very uncomfortable with the compensation structure of funds management.
It should go on full performance based compensation, not the current structure of minimum + load.
To me, it's a bad sign of unable to control situation.

You may ask, how can one control the situation in Equities market.
Yeap, nobody can... so why bill us for something which cannot be managed in the first place?

Secondly, the devil in performance measurement is the emphasis in short-term gains, which leaves room for trading and manipulation. Individual transactions are not disclosed and just blind faith for us the minority investors.

Last but not least, like what you've mentioned, our individual portfolio is not substantial enough... to justify this pooling diversification.




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post May 12 2008, 04:39 PM

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Unit trust investment is never like insurance. First of all, it doesn't come with protection. Unit trust is fully invested based on the guideline stated in the prospectus. The % to be invested in equity or bond will be clearly indicated in it for investors reference. So your return (or here you put compensation) is fully depands on the selected counters' performance. Not quite sure the "mininmum + load" idea...

Dyong:- Fund Management company get paid irrespective of the performance.

Regarding the "unable to manage" portion. Yes, you are right in the sense that you are not in control when UT is concerned. But this is exactly the selling point of UT. Not many ppl are well verse and equip with necessary knowledge of managing their own equity porfolio. But if you can, of course then UT is not your choice. Having to compare buying your own share and UT is again another topic all together.

Dyong:- Rather circular here, not equip with enough knowledge to buy equity but sufficient to buy UT. Unless you know well enough what you're investing and comparison between all investment vehicles, you cannot make the decision for investment.

UT investment is governed by the Security Commission (SC) which set rules on how a fund must be managed (applied to all Unit Trust Companies (UTC) in Malaysia). One of the rule set is that shall be no more than 10% of the total fund being invested in a single company. The purpose of the rule is to minimise the possibility of manipulation. What I am trying to say, all UTCs in Malaysia can't invest your money as their wish. They are being monitored closed by SC.

Dyong:- Ok, the tough part, framework regulation can go this far... but who's monitoring the transaction volume and frequency of trading? The more trades = more expenses = lesser returns for investors... how's this being regulated?
Moreover, the trades by the UT are carried through their own brokerhouse, any conflict of interest?


Do take note that the selected counters and the % exposed to each are disclosed in the annual reports which are given to each and every investor every half yearly (be in your are 1k investor or 1 million investor). So, as far as UT investment is concerned, there is no such term as minority investor. ALL investors are treated and fed with the same information.

Dyong:- Yes, the annual report is only the birds eye view, personally i deem it not sufficient to the level of details.

You get my message wrongly. I didn't mention that the individual portfolio is not substantial enough to justify this pooling diversification. In fact, just exactly the opposite meaning I am trying to share - even with our not so substantial amount, it is BEING DIVERSIFICED and taken care of with the same manner by the same fund managers.

Dyong:- Diversification is a double-edge sword, lower risk = lower returns unless you're actively managing it efficiently

I am an UT agent.

Dyong:- Thanks for your honesty, Delighted to have someone who takes pride in professionalism

This post has been edited by Dyong: May 12 2008, 04:42 PM

 

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