Why is the other thread closed? Is it because there is a cap on how many pages a thread can have at maximum?

Back to EVE, my Wyvern will be out soon!! YAR!

Hopefully some of my assets can be liquidated in time

its within game mechanic and they have the superior firepower , and its true its bad if they been ur enemy and with blobbing is lagging like sh1t, ahh i miss the old day at north

From my point of view, if you're capable of building a force within the game mechanics, i don't see a reason why people should whine about it. There is no such things as unbalanced gameplay within the game mechanics, if a group of people does something better than another group of people...fair play i say.

Don't think until every 12mins 1 DD, we can shoot 5 DD in 1 go...rest of the time is free for all. Also take for example how Goons used their superior numbers to overcome us, it worked...but for a certain timeframe only. We counter it with Titan spam, so when we come out with a solution it's unbalanced?

I can tell you one thing, there is always a way to counter such mass firepower like what BOB have. We know how to counter it but we haven't face such opponents yet, until then...the community will hate us simply because we're capable. A tip though, we're still small and size is the same as when the whole of EVE decided to war us

I kinda disagree but this is my opinion anyway, let's see how i can explain it so that a bigger perspective can be taken into consideration for outsiders.

- Cynojammed POS -

We've seen Goons do it, we've seen so many people doing it...even with Titan in system there is a way to kill a cynojammer without being DDed. It's called outmenuevering your opponents. Heck even BOB did it before when hostiles DDed but did VERY little damage. When you have enough backup and strategic movements, alot of things can be achieved. Also, why wanna hit a jammer when ppl realise that you're gonna hit it? There are so many target system in Delve at the beginning of the war but Coalition are not creative enough im afraid.

Like I said, if there is only 1 DD to outmaneuver it is doable, but when you have 5 titans in a cynojammed system, it is impossible to hit the POS. You outmaneuver one DD and when you come back there is another waiting for you. By the time you outmaneuver 5, the first one have cooled down and you repeat the process. There is not really a lot of target system in Delve at the beginning of the war. We managed to get QY6 and then was aiming for NOL because honestly, if we manage to take down NOL the morale hit will be really big for BoB. The other systems in Delve aren't really such a big priority. The same case as when BoB was assaulting Tene, 9-9 is the main system for you all to attack.

- Titan Spam -

This is very interesting in terms of how it turns out after 1yr+ of introduction of the Titan class. Do you guys still remember when BOB is actively hunting non-BOB Titans regardless who the are? Anyone ever asked the question why? If you're still unable to find the answer, then you're not ready for 0.0 warfare im afraid

Next, why didn't the Coalition try to kill as many BOB Titans as possible when they were big and steamrolling BOB space? This will definately halt our ability to use Titan to a point where opponents have can have more space to overcome the sheer firepower. Don't tell us that we hide them when there is insufficient backup, coz there are so many other ways in luring and trying to kill a Titan. We did many of it to hostile Titans, some died and some manage to run off, mind you we're actively hunting supercaps...even MS is not spared, be it Titan

Coalition don't have a proper planning on how to deal with BOB, that's the main issue. We even open some window space for you guys to try enter or work on it, but it seems we're like playing with our ownself at times. So, that alone will not help Coalition in stopping BOB in the overall war progress.

The coalition actually did hunt BoB's titan which is why there is a near loss for Shrike's titan in 49-. After that incident for quite some time, BoB titans are only used under a cynojammed system where it is invincible or used for logistics, no longer used for assault.

- Goon Numbers -

Now, i disagree on this part of the discussion as i've witness diff things with my own 2 eyes when we were sieging Tenerifis and the serounding areas. Back then, the Coalition wasn't big, not all of EVE is against BOB. This happened before LV fell and before their unborned Titan was killed. Goons and allies fielded 3-400 standard ships fleet on a daily basis, sometimes spreading them into 2 groups with 200 each, going on 2 directions and hunting BOB and it's allies.

Don't tell me this is not something to be reckon with? We had only 1 Titan back then, and moving around like a headless chicken ain't helping BOB in any way when Coalition is so mobile with such big fleets. My question to this, is that why didn't Coalition hit our core space and stop further production of Titans so that what we have today is not as drastic?

Fine, you might wanna argue that the siege in F-T is carried out, but is that it? Not actively hunting our Titans/MS anymore? This did not hurt us coz it's only 1 event...but instead we do it to our hostile targets. Fleet fights one after another, cap fights one after another (even luring Coalition into a cap fight)...we make sure we win. To make sure you guys are hurt, to make sure supplies are weak and then...BAM! We hit something nice and hard which completes our goals/agenda for that period of time.

BTW, i wont forget the day where LV fell to a 1000+ Coalition member siege, that is not a myth

After the LV war goonfleet is actually in a pretty poor shape. We suddenly have sooo much space and we can't really afford to occupy them all. That's why remedial have the ill-fated FTZ and also why Omist is basically abandoned as soon as BoB came attacking.
When you are talking about the Coalition, actually the only people that does anything in the coalition was RA+Goons+IAC. MC was around for a bit until they got PB and then they went and became idiots, backstabbing us and then got backstabbed.  AAA is hardly in the war against BOB. TCF is usually doing their own thing and will show up once in a while. But the real backbone of the "coalition" is really just goons and RA. And now RA is riding bikes and goons are incompetent as usual. ^__^
I am talking about about Goon numbers, you are talking about coalition numbers. I can't speak for the other members of the coalition, i'm talking about goon numbers. For as long as I've been in goons, 1 year ++ The most I've seen in a gang is about 100++. When you are talking about F-T or the LV titan abortion that is another matter, everyone and their mother wants to be in that attack.

- Current Situation -

Yes it's frustrating i know, i can only imagine if i were a Goon. But this is all resulted from the Coalition's decision and planning in how to handle warfare. Taking space alone wont sustain a war, taking out its momentum will. Good example is to look at RA, although they seem to have alot of caps nowadays, but whenever they loose a cap fight...they still need some time to recover from the losses since they're not really that big. So, if BOB would to go screw them up big time, we would have continued pushing it to them and hitting their core region and disrupting their ability to recover. But we all know, this can never happen since there simply too many hostiles against BOB these days that prevented us from persuing single target alliance in EVE

Some people are confused...lol!

Anyway, back to the topic, what i just explained is to ask for a justification which Goons and Co. can't. The reason why you guys can't compete with our Titans now is because the planning and momentum right after sieging F-T or killing LV's unborned Titan is weak. Majority of the Coalition cannot give a proper debate and when there is failure, finger pointing is so strong. This makes it even more for BOB to mock whenever there is an opportunity.

Just look at how the way Goons carry themselves on CAOD, regardless how bad BOB is...we don't give silly reasoning when we debate unless it's TinFoil moment

I fail to agree on the main backbone of the Coalition's participant. Razor/IRON/TCF/AAA all played their part...but not enough. You cannot disregard them from the backbone...when we talk about Coalition, it involves everyone. Same goes to GBC.

Let's double back to the main issue here regarding Titans and the inability to break our defenses, why is that? Is it because the participating Coalition members left the agenda? No more is assisting Goons on the attack...why? Simply because Goons are arrogant like BOB BUT, with no proper results. You have to agree on that, internally Goons itself is shit.

Then you speak of momentum, why is it so hard to get member's attendance? Becasue results are not delivered...when ppl gets too much failures..they will be demoralized naturally. BOB has it's fair share but we recover with something nasty and we dare to do it to bring back the "fire".

So, at the end of the day, Titans + Cynojammers is not something which is impossible to deal with or broken. We gave you guys a chance but you guys took it with personal grudges rather than looking at a bigger picture. If your leaders realised that if BOB would to field 12 Titans one day, gameplay will be different...then action needs to be taken to prevent that one day from happening.

Or...why didn't the Coalition or Goons for that matter spew out Titans like we do? Don't tell me 5K+ members can't even produce a few? If there were mutiple Titans defending QY6, pretty sure game would be different isn't it? But IF we manage to take it down even when Goons have 3-5 Titans online...is that still considered imposible?

Let's not talk about Titan, when cynojammers were introduced, Goons were already complaining about it saying that it's unbalanced. Even MS were a big hot topic, capital ships, POS warfare system...etc etc. My main concern is why Goons can't adapt to the changes CCP give but instead whine about it everywhere when things are not favoring them?

Well, we whine and CCP actually take notice. Remember the Titan manifesto that we wrote that makes CCP change the way remote DD works? Now CCP says that they are looking at Titan and Cynojammer warfare. Being able to exploit a new game mechanic to it's fullest doesn't mean that the game mechanic is not broken or retarded. ^___^

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Added on April 22, 2008, 5:02 pmBut there is one thing i agree on, where Titan needs a remodification. The ship should not only be used to DD or bridge ships around, need more roles so that gameplay could be improved and strategies can be creative.

So, who wants to help me retrieve my assets in Goons/Coalition space? I can help you remove your assets from BOB space

Whats your in game char? Or send me a mail to Addicus Zed. Will let you know exactly what i have and prolly can help ya out abit.

Been trying to catch you online but appearently you're not active enough. So just drop me a line if you're still interested. Otherwise..fark it