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post Feb 8 2008, 06:17 AM, updated 18y ago

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Yes , you heard it right , I was just saying the same thing to my friend the other day , I said : " You know what they are prepping the EPL to be transferred overseas , because they are reporting more and more so called ' abusive ' behaviour by the UK fans - ie, Asian fans will be more docile and 100% complaint ( asskissers ) thus we will bring the game over . "
The details are yet to be finalised.

Some points I like you all to think about ?
- Assuming the games in Asia will count towards the title , do you think the games will be competetive ?

- What about match fixing , is there an increased danger , giving some of the venues will be in China ?

- How will it change the game in UK ? Will it further alienate UK fans . On the other hand it will surely create more glamour pndan local fans .

Would this be OK to you ?

- There will be even MORE exposure of the EPL , you will be able to watch football non stop from Fri night to Sun morn - this will further encourage Malaysian youth to be lazy and watch instead of playing the game - thus local footbal will die some more.

Your thoughts.

NB. And yes , local media , advertisers etc - get your own f##king ideas and stop plagerizing me as you have done in past . This is for us not you.


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post Feb 8 2008, 08:07 AM

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Read it as well on soccernet, personally i think it will be too complicated to pull off and it is not logical to send teams all across the world just for one competitive match. Most asian fans are excited because they only assume mu or the other top 4 teams are coming but would the fans pack the bukit jalil if say, Fulham vs Aston Villa (no disrespect to fans of both teams) was playing?

For a team to fly to KL will be already 13 hours, then they need to get used to the time zone and there will be jet lagg, no way they can get used to the weather immediately. Then they fly back to UK, another 13 hours.. man oh man, the fatigue factor kicks in and the next match back home will see dip in performances.

I applaud the english FA's boldness in being adventurous but why open up such a huge can of complications? The asia EPL cup during off season is already good enough because 3 EPL teams are involved. This is my 2 cents worth.
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Friendly yes. Competitive game, no chance. Its a shit idea. Yes I want to see ManUtd play a competitive match, but not like this. Its a shit idea. You have a friendly, that stupid friendly cup, use them! Not a real EPL game, an extra one at that.

That 7 subs rule should be applauded. About 8 years too late though. Yes it more advantageous for the bigger sides, but all the other leagues in Europe have 7 subs too. They can only use 3 subs, the bigger sides have better subs obviously, but that's always been the case.

I wonder when will they start removing that 90min rule regarding youth players. Another shit idea that somehow got accepted.

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QUOTE(Wan @ Feb 8 2008, 09:20 AM)
Friendly yes. Competitive game, no chance. Its a shit idea. Yes I want to see ManUtd play a competitive match, but not like this. Its a shit idea. You have a friendly, that stupid friendly cup, use them! Not a real EPL game, an extra one at that.

That 7 subs rule should be applauded. About 8 years too late though. Yes it more advantageous  for the bigger sides, but all the other leagues in Europe have 7 subs too. They can only use 3 subs, the bigger sides have better subs obviously, but that's always been the case.

I wonder when will they start removing that 90min rule regarding youth players. Another shit idea that somehow got accepted.
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It depends. I am for the Community Shield being played outside England. smile.gif League games? I don't know how it'll work but a 'lucky draw'? I don't like the idea of a draw affecting the EPL title race!
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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Feb 8 2008, 10:42 AM)
It depends. I am for the Community Shield being played outside England. smile.gif League games? I don't know how it'll work but a 'lucky draw'? I don't like the idea of a draw affecting the EPL title race!
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Not just the title race but the relegation battle as well. Can you imagine a club is in safe position after 38th games but in the last 39th game they drawed against the top 4 while the other 2 bottom teams face some easy tie?
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what will happen if they choose Malaysia...
now FAM going to have new reason why local stadium always lack of ppl watching the game... hehehe
Personally i dont think its a good idea for the league..
but for the cup competition it will be great, i mean SEMIFINAL and FINAL..
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for now only community shield will work.league or cup games,both won't work because of the heavy packed schedule of English football.don't tell me they're goin to 3-4 different places in Asia in 2 weeks.Plus,with champions league as well,then the top four will be very,very,very tired as they have to play football in 2 different continents.
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Another potential issue will be the weather, depending on where is the selected location/country.
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QUOTE(Haunkiem @ Feb 8 2008, 06:17 AM)
- Assuming the games in Asia will count towards the title , do you think the games will be competetive ?
I seriously doubt it. As it is, EPL clubs play at half pace because of the heat and the humidity. Can't imagine they'll be dishing out any memorable performances. There is also then the issue of ensuring that the stadiums are in tip top condition. I know they aren't planning to come to Malaysia but remember when Brazil played a friendly here? God they looked at though they were playing in a sand box.

QUOTE(Haunkiem @ Feb 8 2008, 06:17 AM)
- What about match fixing , is there an increased danger , giving some of the venues will be in China ?


Most definitely. The Chinese league is fecking corrupt! The Asian community (us Chinese especially) are one of the largest gamblers in the EPL. Some seasons ago, some Malaysian businessman named Jerry Lim even bought into Crystal Palace! Our paws are already in the EPL smile.gif

QUOTE(Haunkiem @ Feb 8 2008, 06:17 AM)
- How will it change the game in UK ? Will it further alienate UK fans . On the other hand it will surely create more glamour pndan local fans .


You got that right. Not only that, EPL clubs are already expressing concerns over the lack of atmosphere in their stadiums, Old Trafford in particular. Can you imagine what it would be like if they played in say China? Most of them don't even speak any English and you expect them to sing and chant their clubs songs?

QUOTE(Haunkiem @ Feb 8 2008, 06:17 AM)
- There will be even MORE exposure of the EPL , you will be able to watch football non stop from Fri night to Sun morn - this will further encourage Malaysian youth to be lazy and watch instead of playing the game - thus local footbal will die some more.


At this point, I don't really care about local football. I think we have to really hit rock bottom before anyone will decide to do anything about it. Wait till all sponsors pull out and we have to revert to a semi-professional league because clubs/state sides cannot afford to pay their players obscene amounts anymore.


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there r too many issues need to resolve 1st..
but in term of economic it will be good for asian country... can bring more visitors
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Feb 8 2008, 12:09 PM)
I seriously doubt it. As it is, EPL clubs play at half pace because of the heat and the humidity. Can't imagine they'll be dishing out any memorable performances. There is also then the issue of ensuring that the stadiums are in tip top condition. I know they aren't planning to come to Malaysia but remember when Brazil played a friendly here? God they looked at though they were playing in a sand box.
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So no to EPL games but what do you think about the Community Shield? Even if it's played at Wembley, the games turn out to be crap most of the time with both clubs competing in it thinking of it as another of the pre-season friendlies. And add to the fact that the 'Cup Final' between two EPL giants will certainly draw in more audience than say West Ham vs Reading or something like that.

QUOTE(Duke Red @ Feb 8 2008, 12:09 PM)
You got that right. Not only that, EPL clubs are already expressing concerns over the lack of atmosphere in their stadiums, Old Trafford in particular. Can you imagine what it would be like if they played in say China? Most of them don't even speak any English and you expect them to sing and chant their clubs songs?
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Fans here need to be educated on how to behave and to be fair, if EPL clubs were to come here, we wouldn't know what/when/how to chant so again, it isn't entirely out fault. Put me in Old Trafford and I too would be as meek as a mouse.
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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Feb 8 2008, 12:22 PM)
So no to EPL games but what do you think about the Community Shield? Even if it's played at Wembley, the games turn out to be crap most of the time with both clubs competing in it thinking of it as another of the pre-season friendlies. And add to the fact that the 'Cup Final' between two EPL giants will certainly draw in more audience than say West Ham vs Reading or something like that.


Picked up on your last point. If EPL matches were to be held in Asia, they had better involve more prominent sides or they stadium could be fairly empty. Cup Finals? Probably not because there is so much at stake. Then there is also the element of heritage when it comes to the FA Cup, which the English are real proud off, being the oldest cup competition in the world and all. I don't think they'd take kindly to England's biggest cup competition being held outside of England. Well they did play in Cardiff so perhaps, outside of the UK. The Community Shield will be a fair bet though as it is more or less a pre-season friendly.

QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Feb 8 2008, 12:22 PM)
Fans here need to be educated on how to behave and to be fair, if EPL clubs were to come here, we wouldn't know what/when/how to chant so again, it isn't entirely out fault. Put me in Old Trafford and I too would be as meek as a mouse.
What? - The onus is on us fans to learn our clubs songs and chants. I think the reason so many do not bother to do so is because they do not watch games in large numbers and thus have no one to sings and chant with. Also, Asians are generally a shy and reserved bunch.

When? - At Anfield, the Kop usually starts off and then the rest of the stadium follows. All you need is a small group of fans to start off at the top of their voices and everyone will follow suit. Believe me, even a small group can be audible at any Premiere League stadium.

How - Lyrics are easy to come by but I do understand that we need the melody as well. Simple, do a youtube search or use limewire or a similar application to download them.

Meek as a mouse - That's only because you feel like a foreigner that doesn't belong. In a stadium full of Malaysian fans though, your demeanor may change.

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Picked up on your last point. If EPL matches were to be held in Asia, they had better involve more prominent sides or they stadium could be fairly empty. Cup Finals? Probably not because there is so much at stake. Then there is also the element of heritage when it comes to the FA Cup, which the English are real proud off, being the oldest cup competition in the world and all. I don't think they'd take kindly to England's biggest cup competition being held outside of England. Well they did play in Cardiff so perhaps, outside of the UK. The Community Shield will be a fair bet though as it is more or less a pre-season friendly.
What? - The onus is on us fans to learn our clubs songs and chants. I think the reason so many do not bother to do so is because they do not watch games in large numbers and thus have no one to sings and chant with. Also, Asians are generally a shy and reserved bunch.

When? - At Anfield, the Kop usually starts off and then the rest of the stadium follows. All you need is a small group of fans to start off at the top of their voices and everyone will follow suit. Believe me, even a small group can be audible at any Premiere League stadium.

How - Lyrics are easy to come by but I do understand that we need the melody as well. Simple, do a youtube search or use limewire or a similar application to download them.

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- That's only because you feel like a foreigner that doesn't belong. In a stadium full of Malaysian fans though, your demeanor may change.[/B]
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Agreed on the bolded part. yeah small group should start and influence others

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Yeah, agree with you all. I don't like the idea to play a 39th EPL game outside England. Community shield can.

Why not Carling cup? Instead of 2 legs semifinal, they can always play one leg semifinal outside England. icon_idea.gif
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hope not, coz many workers will have more fake MCs!!! bad influence for the malaysians!!!

and many players will get tired or injured by the quality of our fields...
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hope not, coz many workers will have more fake MCs!!! bad influence for the malaysians!!!

and many players will get tired or injured by the quality of our fields...
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sorry i do not agree with u, why we want majorityto be "punished" by not allowing bcoz its bad for certain ppl
IT 's our Attitude that we need to change not to "block" them...
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Feb 8 2008, 12:53 PM)
Picked up on your last point. If EPL matches were to be held in Asia, they had better involve more prominent sides or they stadium could be fairly empty. Cup Finals? Probably not because there is so much at stake. Then there is also the element of heritage when it comes to the FA Cup, which the English are real proud off, being the oldest cup competition in the world and all. I don't think they'd take kindly to England's biggest cup competition being held outside of England. Well they did play in Cardiff so perhaps, outside of the UK. The Community Shield will be a fair bet though as it is more or less a pre-season friendly.
What? - The onus is on us fans to learn our clubs songs and chants. I think the reason so many do not bother to do so is because they do not watch games in large numbers and thus have no one to sings and chant with. Also, Asians are generally a shy and reserved bunch.

When? - At Anfield, the Kop usually starts off and then the rest of the stadium follows. All you need is a small group of fans to start off at the top of their voices and everyone will follow suit. Believe me, even a small group can be audible at any Premiere League stadium.

How - Lyrics are easy to come by but I do understand that we need the melody as well. Simple, do a youtube search or use limewire or a similar application to download them.

Meek as a mouse - That's only because you feel like a foreigner that doesn't belong. In a stadium full of Malaysian fans though, your demeanor may change.
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true true .. but i dun really know my club songs and chants .. sad.gif bikin malu lulz ... even there is gathering of fans like those tiger fc things .. no sings .. very sienz ... even when winning ;(

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What they say on overseas games

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The Premier League has revealed that it is considering bold plans to add an extra round of games which would be staged outside England.

The top-flight clubs have agreed to explore the proposals, which could come into effect for the 2010/11 season.

So what has been the reaction to the plans from around the game? Here are a selection of comments so far from chairmen, coaches and fans.

WHAT THEY SAY

"We are making history. The Premier League, which is the greatest league the world has ever known, is being adventurous. I find this amazingly exciting."
Birmingham co-owner David Gold

"I look on this as an opportunity for our fans to get first-hand experience of what the level is in England. I see it as a great way to pit our level against what is perceived as the greatest league in the world.

"Teams have come here on tours for years, America is recognised as an emerging market, but the competition wasn't there so to see teams in meaningful games is great for the spectators."
Los Angeles Galaxy general manager Alexei Lalas

"All that was decided that as a major league, it is something that we ought to examine. We do have lots of overseas fans that are unable to come to matches played in the UK so I think it is something that should be explored."
Tottenham chief executive Daniel Levy

"We have only agreed to explore something, nothing more than that. When we find out more I'll be able to tell you if it is a good idea. We really are at step A and not step B or C."
Sunderland chairman Niall Quinn

"This is purely down to money. The Premier League want more money from global advertising rights. As a player, the league schedule is as congested as it ever has been. The notion that teams could go through a hectic December and January with one then going off to play in Cairo and another in Los Angeles - with all the travelling and commitments - is absolute nonsense."
Former Liverpool striker Stan Collymore

"It's bad enough with international friendlies, let alone going overseas. I read the other day that games are going out to 22 or 23 countries. It's quite unbelievable, it gets everywhere, so I wouldn't be surprised, although there will be a few irate people. Can you imagine going to Fergie (Sir Alex Ferguson) and telling him 'by the way, you're not playing at home this week, you are playing in Japan'? I'd like to see it!"
Wigan manager Steve Bruce

"Is it April 1? I find it highly unlikely it would happen. I wouldn't think it would be a realistic proposition."
Middlesbrough manager Gareth Southgate

"It is obviously a marketing thing. I would have to have a clearer picture of what is behind this marketing idea - I would have to find out more about it. One extra game of football a year, as long as the calendar can be sorted out, that doesn't seem to be a deal-breaker - but I have no real opinions at the moment on whether it is a good deal or a bad deal."
Fulham boss Roy Hodgson

"The fans here will be up in arms and other national associations won't be too happy about the Premier League coming to their domain and taking sponsors, advertising and revenue from what is their game.

"I managed Fulham when we went to this tournament in Hong Kong with Liverpool and Portsmouth and the fans were so wrapped in it. We played our two games in front of 40,000 people purely because Liverpool were there. How much of a draw smaller teams would be, I'm not sure."
Former Northern Ireland and Fulham manager Lawrie Sanchez

"I challenge the Premier League to abandon this proposal if it turns out that the majority of supporters are opposed to it and that would be my confident prediction.

"This game relies on having supporters in the ground and when the day comes that they completely think that match-going fans are of no value, then that's the day when the game will severely suffer."
Malcolm Clarke, co-chairman of the Football Supporters' Federation

"From rugby league's perspective, we are very keen to take any opportunity to showcase our sport around the country and Europe. We have found that rugby league supporters have responded positively to the opportunities that have been presented to them. The key is to make it an extra fixture, and not a replacement for a home game."
Rugby Football League chief executive Nigel Wood


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/e...rem/7232856.stm
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Feb 8 2008, 12:53 PM)
What? - The onus is on us fans to learn our clubs songs and chants. I think the reason so many do not bother to do so is because they do not watch games in large numbers and thus have no one to sings and chant with. Also, Asians are generally a shy and reserved bunch.

When? - At Anfield, the Kop usually starts off and then the rest of the stadium follows. All you need is a small group of fans to start off at the top of their voices and everyone will follow suit. Believe me, even a small group can be audible at any Premiere League stadium.

How - Lyrics are easy to come by but I do understand that we need the melody as well. Simple, do a youtube search or use limewire or a similar application to download them.

Meek as a mouse - That's only because you feel like a foreigner that doesn't belong. In a stadium full of Malaysian fans though, your demeanor may change.
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Don't really agree with the proposal. As much as I want to see Man United play a competitive game near me(although I doubt they are going to play in Malaysia anyways if the idea goes thru, more likely Japan or Korea or you know, the bigger footballing nations), I think it's a very bad idea. The idea of letharginess will definitely be thrown about by managers if bad performances arises due to the long travels. The 7 sub idea next season, I can accept, this I think is a bad idea and is more than a money spinning one than anything else. i assume they are adopting this idea from the NFL who holds their regular season game out of the US once in a while.

As for atmosphere...I can't really see the atmosphere in England being replicated back here. I love my clubs songs, there one thing more that Ilove in the atmosphere there. That collective roar they do when the ball hits the net. Never seen that being done here. And rather than club songs, I can visualize seeing more of...."Gila Ahhhh Rooney" or "wah lau weh Gerrard" or..."Fulamak, power aa Lampard" rather than hearing fans bursting out Pride of All Europe, The Busby Boys or the United Calypso, for us Man United fans for example. The typical Malaysian attitude.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Feb 8 2008, 12:09 PM)
I seriously doubt it. As it is, EPL clubs play at half pace because of the heat and the humidity. Can't imagine they'll be dishing out any memorable performances. There is also then the issue of ensuring that the stadiums are in tip top condition. I know they aren't planning to come to Malaysia but remember when Brazil played a friendly here? God they looked at though they were playing in a sand box.
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Yes , that's a point since they plan the games in mid Jan which will be winter and suddenly they come to Dubai with desert heat.

But do you think the money pondans and greedy fat cat media companies will care 2 hoots ? I don't think so

The stasis I think would be less of a problem , in places like SG , dubai , Sydney etc in China who knows safety may be comprimised.

QUOTE(Duke Red @ Feb 8 2008, 12:09 PM)
The Chinese league is fecking corrupt! The Asian community (us Chinese especially) are one of the largest gamblers in the EPL. Some seasons ago, some Malaysian businessman named Jerry Lim even bought into Crystal Palace! Our paws are already in the EPL smile.gif
Thats what I mean dude , if it's in China , there'll be even more ways the game could be corrupted . Yes Mr Lim is a " business man " , good methaphor.

QUOTE(Duke Red @ Feb 8 2008, 12:09 PM)
You got that right. Not only that, EPL clubs are already expressing concerns over the lack of atmosphere in their stadiums, Old Trafford in particular. Can you imagine what it would be like if they played in say China? Most of them don't even speak any English and you expect them to sing and chant their clubs songs?
exactly and this is the 1st step to COMPLETELY making the EPL inernational - in the near future ALL big games will be played in so called ' glamour ' places : LA , Beijing etc . The UK fans are going to be betrayed , after all the decades of building up the clubs . f***ing out of order.

And about singing , yeah they may even be able to ape the words but there wont be 1 ounce of realism in it . Good you appreciate this point . If UK fan die , then the EPL will be forvever changed to something weird , pariah and so called ' intenational ' .

The name Liverpool FC will have no meaning , you might as call them the " red Dragons " or something. Phuii horrible.

QUOTE(Duke Red @ Feb 8 2008, 12:09 PM)
At this point, I don't really care about local football. I think we have to really hit rock bottom before anyone will decide to do anything about it. Wait till all sponsors pull out and we have to revert to a semi-professional league because clubs/state sides cannot afford to pay their players obscene amounts anymore.
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the ' issue ' or problem is this latest news tends to make it even worse . Youre right we have to revert I would say not even to semi pro but a nationalised league with modest salaries.

But even then , the young will be even more lazy watching 48 hours of football over the WE , where got time even to take a walk with the dog never mind dedicate yourself to the game .

Good that you appreciate these points , you are a real fan in that respect .

Other guys ,

The C shield is NOT proposed to play globally , they dont want that they know the
' fans ' dont want another friendly. Anway the end game is to play ALL games internaionally with Uk being just 1 venue among many .

Msia will not be a venue at least not initially because of SG , SG is counting on our people to go down there.

The way its going this is what they plan with new international owners and such.

I thinkits chowwhai horrible , it will kill any remnant of EPL , will be a IPL .

PS. Where is this 7 subs idea from - link please


Added on February 8, 2008, 4:40 pmOh I just read , it is NOT 7 subs but 7 on the bench and only 3 as per usual is allowed to change during the game .

get it right glamour fans , see what I mean about not playing the game .

Soon with all this intenat bullsit , we're going to have fans who dont even knownthe diff between offside and backside .

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Youre right we have to revert I would say not even to semi pro but a nationalised  league with modest salaries..
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Looking forward to it. In those days I used to collect newspaper clippings on Selangor. My favourite player was Karen Stromsik in goal. He played a game or two in the 1982 World Cup if memory serves me. Played with a fever as well as the other two keepers were out injured. K. Gunalan marshaled the defence ahead of him. There was a strong spine to the side with Zoran Nikolic and Pavel Korecjik in midfield and attack respectively. We also had the option of fielding either Dollah Salleh or Zainal Abidin Hassan of course. On the bench we had supersub, P.Maniam! Well that was a long time again, sigh...
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Looking forward to it. In those days I used to collect newspaper clippings on Selangor. My favourite player was Karen Stromsik in goal. He played a game or two in the 1982 World Cup if memory serves me. Played with a fever as well as the other two keepers were out injured. K. Gunalan marshaled the defence ahead of him. There was a strong spine to the side with Zoran Nikolic and Pavel Korecjik in midfield and attack respectively. We also had the option of fielding either Dollah Salleh or Zainal Abidin Hassan of course. On the bench we had supersub, P.Maniam! Well that was a long time again, sigh...
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that time i luv to go to stadium, bcoz of the scenario in the stadium
wow, really best woooo that time...
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Looking forward to it. In those days I used to collect newspaper clippings on Selangor. My favourite player was Karen Stromsik in goal. He played a game or two in the 1982 World Cup if memory serves me. Played with a fever as well as the other two keepers were out injured. K. Gunalan marshaled the defence ahead of him. There was a strong spine to the side with Zoran Nikolic and Pavel Korecjik in midfield and attack respectively. We also had the option of fielding either Dollah Salleh or Zainal Abidin Hassan of course. On the bench we had supersub, P.Maniam! Well that was a long time again, sigh...
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The old Malaysia cup was better , no private involvement .

I played vs Zainal in a friendly .
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Feb 8 2008, 05:00 PM)
Looking forward to it. In those days I used to collect newspaper clippings on Selangor. My favourite player was Karen Stromsik in goal. He played a game or two in the 1982 World Cup if memory serves me. Played with a fever as well as the other two keepers were out injured. K. Gunalan marshaled the defence ahead of him. There was a strong spine to the side with Zoran Nikolic and Pavel Korecjik in midfield and attack respectively. We also had the option of fielding either Dollah Salleh or Zainal Abidin Hassan of course. On the bench we had supersub, P.Maniam! Well that was a long time again, sigh...
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You know who I like from the Selangor team in that era(early 90's). Stromsik was excellent I love him but I love Mehmet Durakovic even more. Got numerous callups to the Australian squad but turned it down plenty of times to help Selangor.
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The old Malaysia cup was better , no private involvement .

I played vs Zainal in a friendly .
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Really? How come? Whooped your ass did he? smile.gif

QUOTE(air_mood @ Feb 8 2008, 05:20 PM)
You know who I like from the Selangor team in that era(early 90's). Stromsik was excellent I love him but I love Mehmet Durakovic even more. Got numerous callups to the Australian squad but turned it down plenty of times to help Selangor.
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Would love to see if he'd do that now, seeing as Australia have now a realistic chance of playing in the World Cup lol.
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But the Community Shield would beat a Premier League pre-season throphy [which we had a couple of seasons back] in a sense that at least the Community Shield is a trophy that carries meaning.
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Really? How come? Whooped your ass did he?  smile.gif
Would love to see if he'd do that now, seeing as Australia have now a realistic chance of playing in the World Cup lol.
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Ah , in those days , no big deal to meet these people , they weren't glamour pandans , pros , part timers , fans all mingled and supported each other .

the standard btwn him and the rest of us wasn't that great , the diff is he has better training and fitness coz he does it full time .

I have also played competitively vs a future EPL player ex Bolton & Man C .

Now of course it's different , ask a so called amateur to play the full game he blow out of his ass after 25 mins and then pretend to doing something else.


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But the Community Shield would beat a Premier League pre-season throphy [which we had a couple of seasons back] in a sense that at least the Community Shield is a trophy that carries meaning.
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The FA is not in charge the EPL is a private body make up of the 20 teams .

They are in it purely for $ and POWER , real fans can go eat dung as far as they are concerned.

If it doesn't stop now , what will happen is when you go to SG to see MU or whatever , some commie who just last month became a 'fan' from Shanbei will look at you and have the nerve to say :

" Errrrrr , you errrrr not theerrrrrrr realllllerrr fanerrrr , you Malayise "

You the long time suporter who built the following in your own country , prolly even been to OT when it was completely unfashionable .

You have been stabbed in the back by the EPL abd kicked in the face and now you got this weirdo prolly subsidised by the Commie gov to fly to SG and show his uglyface and now EPl respects him more than you .


- how would you feel ?
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It won't be global for all the games. Doesn't make sense. You can still watch the game on TV, internet, wherever you are. Besides they would get more $$ over in England. Do you think a regular guy in Malaysia would pay RM 200 for a ticket? This is just a gimmick to promote the EPL brand. Hopefully anyways. I just can't see it right now. A Super League however is a different matter. the Milans team, Real, Barca, Bayern, Big 4(or 3 now tongue.gif) in EPL..
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Sunderland manager Roy Keane has given his backing to plans to play Premier League fixtures overseas and the decision to allow the introduction of seven substitutes.

Premier League chief executive Richard Scudamore has seen the 20 top flight clubs agree to plans to introduce an 'international round' of fixtures in the 2010/2011 season.

The Premier League has also recently agreed to proposals to allow clubs to name seven substitutes from next season.

And Black Cats boss Keane has given his support to the 'foreign round' of fixtures and believes the change will benefit the game.

"I knew about it (the foreign round) before this meeting yesterday and change is good sometimes," Keane told Sky Sports News on Friday.

Experience

"It doesn't matter where we are playing, we will always have a fair amount of fans home and away.

"It is three years away, we have to remember that. As Mr Scudamore said change is good sometimes, I think it is good for the game."

Meanwhile, Keane - whose Sunderland side take on Wigan at the Stadium of Light on Saturday - also believes the introduction of extra substitutes will allow clubs to blood their stars of the future.

"We knew that (seven substitutes) was going to be on the horizon a few months ago and it is a good idea," Keane added.

"Sometimes it gives you a chance to put one or two of your young players on the bench and give them the experience of being involved in the first team."

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Sir Alex Ferguson has hit out at the Premier League after not being consulted over plans for an 'international round' of fixtures.

The landmark proposal would see every top-flight club play an additional fixture in a foreign city from the 2010/11 season.

Manchester United boss Ferguson would not give his view on the plan, but was clearly unimpressed by the timing of the Premier League's announcement.

Mouth shut

Ferguson said: "What disappoints me is [United chief executive] David Gill phoned me and said 'keep this quiet, we are going to discuss it' and then it's all over the papers this morning.

"They can't keep their mouth shut down there.

"I think if they are going to do these things they should have been enquiring and having discussions with managers and players before they come out with all this stuff and make an issue of it.

"These issues should be discussed internally by clubs before they come to this position we are today but until I speak to David Gill again I have nothing more to say about it."

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Ferguson was "delighted" however that the Premier League will allow a bench of seven substitutes rather than five from next season.

He added: "I have said that for years. It should be 11 subs on the bench, as most clubs carry a squad of 22 or 23 players. At least this helps.

"Last Sunday at Tottentham we had players sitting in the stands who could have been on the bench contributing something towards the team."

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Selangor playing against Sabah in San Siro for Something Super Liga M. Wow. Its ridiculous. Home and away. 20 teams, 38 games, its more than enough. Just go and create a stupid friendly cup, I don't care, but leave the league as it is. The best league in the world(top 2 IMO), and they want to ruin it.
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When? - At Anfield, the Kop usually starts off and then the rest of the stadium follows. All you need is a small group of fans to start off at the top of their voices and everyone will follow suit. Believe me, even a small group can be audible at any Premiere League stadium.
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i've been to olympic qualification match between malaysia u-23 and korea u-23 in MBPJ stadium a few years back...
almost quarter of the stadium was filled by the korean supporters and they could make noise compared to the quiet malaysian supporters...
and the game was in balance 0-0, not malaysia were kicked in the @ss!!
finally lost 0-1 in the last 10 minutes...

korean supporters learned to chant and sing just before 2002 world cup, and they have managed to change their attitude..
when will the malaysian football supporters association will make change like that?

nyway, back to the topic,
i just wonder:

How FIFA react to the news?
And how they are going to decide which team plays who?
i propose they will face opponent based on league standings on january...
example:
1st vs 11th,
2nd vs 12th
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10th vs 20th

so that all match will be balanced...
just my 2 cents...

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Newspapers condemn Premier League global plan

LONDON, Feb 8 (Reuters) - The Premier League's plan to play matches overseas has achieved the rare distinction of uniting the popular and heavyweight press, with almost universal condemnation in Britain's newspapers on Friday.

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'For Sale, our national game,' said The Mirror, adding 'outrage at greedy plan'.

'Football's sold its soul,' said The Express, 'Global warning' - The Sun, 'They're killing our game,' - Daily Mail.

The Independent weighed in with 'Chase for cash threatens to rob game of founding principle,' while The Times said 'Fans furious at Premier League plans for world domination.'

In a comment piece the Daily Telegraph said that the plan was a bargaining chip to be used by the Premier League in discussions with the FA over giving players more time off from league games before internationals.

Every paper carried reaction from managers and former players, most condemning the idea for its logistical problems as well as an example of the game moving ever further from its traditional fan base.

'It's bad enough with international friendlies, let alone going overseas,' Wigan Athletic boss Steve Bruce said.

Middlesbrough manager Gareth Southgate asked: 'Is it April 1? I find it highly unlikely it would happen. I wouldn't think it would be a realistic proposition.'

However, not everyone was writing it off and Sunderland chairman Niall Quinn was among those who said it was an idea worth investigating.

'I think the time is right to explore the opportunity of bringing the brand around the world but some people have jumped to conclusions,' he said.

'There are a lot of stakeholders to consult, the biggest one being our fans but it's tantalising and off the top of my head I would say it's the correct decision.'

Football Supporters' Federation (FSF) chairman Malcolm Clarke labelled the proposals 'ludicrous'.

'The FSF has no doubt whatsoever the vast majority of supporters are against this and believe it would drag the Premier League into the realms of farce,' Clarke said.

'When this ludicrous idea was first mooted last year we ran a poll and 80 percent were in complete opposition.

'I think that figure will go even higher now that the full ridiculousness of the Premier League's proposals of how this would actually work has been revealed.

'Basically, it's a case of 'We've had their money here, now where else can we get people to put their hands in their pockets?' The sole motivation for this is the Premier League to make more money - aren't they making enough already?'

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=506112&cc=4716


Added on February 8, 2008, 11:57 pmNo plans for Primera Liga foreign fixtures
Spain's Primera Liga insist they have no plans to follow their English counterparts and add an international round of fixtures but admitted it is 'a good idea'.

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The 20 Premier League clubs unanimously agreed yesterday to further examine a proposal that would see 10 competitive fixtures hosted in five major cities over one weekend.

But while Spanish football chiefs back the plan in theory, they claim they are not considering following suit at the moment.

'Up to now we have no plans to do anything similar,' La Liga's chief spokesman said.

'But it seems like a good idea.

'I think it is an idea that fits in with the notion of football as a global game - a sport without borders.

'Football is without borders and something like this is a sign that the sport is adapting to the time that we live in.

'But I want to reiterate that we have no plans to do the same and have not ever thought about it or talked about it.'

In the Premier League's proposal, the extra round would begin in January of the 2010-11 season and would be in addition to the traditional 38 home and away matches each of the 20 clubs currently play.

The plans will take at least a year to finalise and could see five cities across the globe hosting two matches each in a continuous weekend of football.

The spokesman admitted it could be an interesting option for the future but was sceptical as to whether Spanish football fans would accept such a dramatic break from tradition.

'I don't know if the Spanish fans will approve,' he continued.

'They're used to going to watch their team every fortnight in their own stadiums.

'I don't know if they would go abroad to watch two Spanish teams.

'We'll have to analyse it and look at it closely because we don't know what could happen.'

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=506168&cc=4716

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This idea probably stem from the States, where both opening games for the NFL and NBA were held in London and China respectively. This idea of playing at least one weekend of EPL games away from England is unrealistic and unfair to the local ( local as in in England) football fans...
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five cities accross the world?

USA definately one there
China will have one
Arab country will have one
SEA country will have one
S.America/Australia/Africa will have one..

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cacated le ... some more this extra game wont have arsenal vs man utd or those big 4 fighting each other cos its seeded ... so whats the points lulz ....
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Well, there will be some unfair draw for the bottom clubs even if the draw is made based on league position. This season we already seen big teams could end up at the wrong position [Liverpool, Tottenham & etc].

So even if put 17th against 11th, they could still face some of the better teams. It will be unfair if because of this "extra" lost they get relegated.
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To me, its unfair for the local football supporters since some of them paid for season tickets and would probably dun relish the idea travelling to far off countries to watch their team play...EPL is English, so its best it stay in England..NFL played their first game in London bcoz they wanted to promote NFL to Europe..EPL dun have any problem promoting the EPL to the rest of the world without leaving dear ol' England
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its kinda weird to heard that the match will be held out of the country..
becoz its FOOTBALL/SOCCER which known by everybody..
its LEAGUE not a cup competition

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Unfair to UK fans ?

Fans that over decades / centuries built up the club , only to see the greedy pondan media bosses spit on them and sell it down the toilet ?

mmmm ...... could be . How about fvking unfair?

Unfair that 4 lesser teams may have to play MU , Chelses , Arsenal and L'pool 3 x in one season ?

That that may decide ECL / UEFA / relegation issues ?

maybe fvking unfair again .

Unfair to the viewers because the top 4 may end up playing each other as much as 8 TIMES in a season when you fcator in CL / FA and carling cups .

Where's the thrill in that ? the surprise factor will be totally gone !
Come season end - you'll be bored shietless of these teams .
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QUOTE(Haunkiem @ Feb 8 2008, 06:17 AM)
http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5gl..._eikmQ7O1zSkwKA
Yes , you heard it right , I was just saying the same thing to my friend the other day , I said : " You know what they are prepping the EPL to be transferred overseas , because they are reporting more and more so called ' abusive ' behaviour by the UK fans - ie, Asian fans will be more docile and 100% complaint ( asskissers ) thus we will bring the game over . "
The details are yet to be finalised.

Some points I like you all to think about ?
- Assuming the games in Asia will count towards the title , do you think the games will be competetive ?

- What about match fixing , is there an increased danger , giving some of the venues will be in China ?

- How will it change the game in UK ? Will it further alienate UK fans . On the other hand it will surely create more glamour pndan local fans .

Would this be OK to you ?

- There will be even MORE exposure of the EPL , you will be able to watch football non stop from Fri night to Sun morn - this will further encourage Malaysian youth to be lazy and watch instead of playing the game - thus local footbal will die some more.

Your thoughts.

NB. And yes , local media , advertisers etc - get your own f##king ideas and stop plagerizing me as you have done in past .  This is for us not you.
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Games will be competitive, definitely.

Hardly. I assume that the matches will still be controlled by the EPL and bookies in other parts of the world will remain mostly the same.

It will alienate UK fans as more of their football clubs seem more international than UK. Create more glamour pondan local fans? Definitely not! Instead, it will create more die hard and true fans because they would have witness their fav clubs playing a competitive match in real live and even meet with their heroes!

It's not OK because already there's a fixture congestion. There's no winter break so players are very tired over the winter. Already many nations complain of players coming to the national squad all fatigued out. There are suggestions of cutting the EPL down to 18 clubs. The African Cup of Nations demonstrate just how congested the fixtures in the international calendar has become. With everyone trying their hardest to fit all the competitive matches now so that none clash with another, creating a new competitive match just makes the problem much worse. It's an ill wind that does nobody any good.

Seeing as it's just one weekend, i doubt it will have a very big impact on the laziness of Malaysian youth.
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How can the EPL control anything in PRC ? wake up boy , it is a place of 1.3 billion people and god know how many bookies !

if you think there will be no new fans who jump on the bandwagon when they bring the EPL here , then you re living on a diffrent planet . It will be glamour pondans Galore !

The UK fans are already pissed off , any of you genuine then sign the petition:

http://www.fsf.org.uk/petitions/no-to-game-39/index.php

dont just talk .

great article here from a disillusioned arsenal fan :

http://www.football365.com/mailbox/story/0...3121231,00.html


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QUOTE(Haunkiem @ Feb 9 2008, 04:13 AM)
How can the EPL control anything in PRC ? wake up boy , it is a place of 1.3 billion people and god know how many bookies !

if you think there will be no new fans who jump on the bandwagon when they bring the EPL here , then you re living on a diffrent planet . It will be glamour pondans Galore !

The UK fans are already pissed off , any of you genuine then sign the petition:

http://www.fsf.org.uk/petitions/no-to-game-39/index.php

dont just talk .

great article here from a disillusioned arsenal fan :

http://www.football365.com/mailbox/story/0...3121231,00.html
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Boy? Kinda thick there coming from a kid, ain't it? If the EPL can't control the game in an overseas country, you think they will go ahead with it? There's still the integrity of the league to stand up for. I'm sure no league wants to end up like the Serie A.

There may be new fans but mostly, it will strengthen the love of the old fans (unless tickets are priced ridiculously). Think about it; who'd you think would buy a ticket to watch the game? Firstly, it's the existing fans that would know of the game. Secondly, they are the football fans, they'd be the ones who are interested to watch the games. If saja want glamour, buy fake jersey and watch MU/Chel/Ars on tv lor!

I've signed and verified it. Have you?
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QUOTE(eXyzt @ Feb 9 2008, 01:51 AM)
It will alienate UK fans as more of their football clubs seem more international than UK. Create more glamour pondan local fans? Definitely not! Instead, it will create more die hard and true fans because they would have witness their fav clubs playing a competitive match in real live and even meet with their heroes!
I disagree with this statement. As it is I know many 'true fans' and they have yet to see their clubs play in the flesh. It's all about desire. Younger fans want to be entertained, you can tell from the numerous posts on other threads. It is the first word that leaves their lips when asked what they want from their football club; to win and be entertained. There is no mention about their clubs history. Seeing them play in the flesh will not spur them to find out more about their club because as it is, information is already readily available on the internet but not many bother.
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Boy? Kinda thick there coming from a kid, ain't it? If the EPL can't control the game in an overseas country,  you think they will go ahead with it? There's still the integrity of the league to stand up for. I'm sure no league wants to end up like the Serie A.

There may be new fans but mostly, it will strengthen the love of the old fans (unless tickets are priced ridiculously). Think about it; who'd you think would buy a ticket to watch the game? Firstly, it's the existing fans that would know of the game. Secondly, they are the football fans, they'd be the ones who are interested to watch the games. If saja want glamour, buy fake jersey and watch MU/Chel/Ars on tv lor!

I've signed and verified it. Have you?
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Prove to me that EPL can control what goes on in China , they can even control a ECL game Liverpool v basitas , and the Grobbelar affair , in case you forgot.

who are you ? what do you know about the EPL workings , apart from the logo you see in Bangsar every WE.

You know nuts about UK fans ,you are talking bullshiet even after I post the link.

All in all it's an awful idea sprung from the minds of the most disgustingly arrogant, cynical, and just plain greedy b***ards this country has the misfortune to home. But no matter how much we complain, those charming chairmen of PL clubs will already be rubbing their hands together with glee. Perhaps someone should suggest to the likes of David Gold that if he wants to make more money, maybe he should consider trying to put Birmingham into a position from which they can EARN it rather than simply wait in line for their Chinese handouts. Every chairman or manager who even remotely supports this idea deserves our contempt - and I include Daniel Levy firmly in that category - because every one has shown exactly how little you and I mean to them and their fellow whores board members.

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Well, the cities ARE free to bid for the games, so biggies like tokyo and singapore will probably break the bank, which means tickets aren't gonna be cheap either. At the moment it is MYR4k plus to watch a game live in UK, assuming you do not eat doh.gif but i would wager that to watch such a game in tokyo will be much much more... and you won't even be in anfield/old trafford/emirates etc.
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Don't think that it is a good decision.
It is so tiring for the players and eventually only the Premier League bosses get the big sum of money.
Nowdays is all about moneys only and they don't have the best benifits of footballs in their minds.
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some quote from spurs chairman which i find quite debateable ...

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is true also, like we poor people can say whole life no chance go manchester to catch a match ...
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For MY fans the difference in costs wont be that much , very few of the good games are going to come to this region .

Once in a blue moon you might get MU v Chelsea in SG or BK , that's the closest you're gonna get , most of the big games will go ME or China - then the cost wont be much different from goignt to UK
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/foo...icle3330640.ece

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The league has yet to clarify how the clubs would be paired but, for commercial reasons, it seems inevitable that the established top four (Arsenal, Manchester United, Liverpool and Chelsea) would be sent to different locations. A draw could be made preseason or each club could be pitted against the one that finished ten places below them in the previous campaign.


Man Utd v Chelsea in Singapore won't happen for a long long time... btw this is the second time you've mentioned the top four playing each other overseas... so just wanted to point it out. Then again, being kaki bangku i'm no expert so i might well be wrong.

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Clubs based in the same cities would play each other back home in the next round of fixtures so that they would all have had the same journeys and level of jet lag


Not sure if the quoted 5 million quid is for the entire experimental three years or if it is per game (which i think i read somewhere is indeed the case). If so, that means fifteen big ones spread over three years - almost enough to buy another Mascherano - couple that with the fact that we get to stuff teams like sunderland (sorry no offence meant - hopefully this does not come back and haunt me few years down the road) 3 times in the league for a total of nine points, I'm GAME!

Putting things into perspective, i believe Man Utd has the best shirt sponsor deal - 50 million over 5 years? That's 10 million per year, only 2 times more than what this 39th game will net, and we ARE talking about the most comercially successful club of the lot!

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Well, this 'idea' has surely done something... browse any internet footie forum and you'd notice that the actual brits are quicker than ever to round on us, the oversea fans - rightly or not i do not know, but they seem aggrieved. Not good at all. We're going to bear the brunt of the criticism?
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I an not fond of this idea at all. Would rather have a shorter EPL season than prolong it from it's already hectic current form. If they plan to do this, they better introduce a winter break or risk burning out the players.
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I an not fond of this idea at all. Would rather have a shorter EPL season than prolong it from it's already hectic current form. If they plan to do this, they better introduce a winter break or risk burning out the players.
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The Asian Football Confederation has become the latest national body to distance itself from Premier League plans to play league matches overseas.

Asia was thought to have been one of the leading contenders to stage the controversial 39th round of games.

But AFC president Mohamed bin Hammam said: "It's not a good idea to organise domestic leagues in other territories.

"My recommendation would be to reject initiatives of this nature." US chiefs also expressed reluctance to the idea.

Given the already fervent interest in English football in parts of Asia, officials there are concerned that matches played there would have a damaging effect on the development of their own game.

"I support matches organised between AFC and other confederations which benefit the development of our clubs here in Asia," said Bin Hammam.

"But at the present time, I can't see the wisdom in the proposed plans and we would urge the AFC member associations to protect their own national leagues and clubs within their territories."

Uefa president Michel Platini has termed the Premier League's proposals "comical," while on Monday, senior officials in the hierarchy of football in the US hinted they were unlikely to accept them.

"We'll be guided by Fifa on this matter but, if it's not in line with its rules, then we won't sanction it," US Soccer chief Sunil Gulati told BBC Sport.

The Premier League's proposal to have an extra round of games has aroused widespread criticism, but chief executive Richard Scudamore has remained defiant, insisting that the extension would have a positive rather than negative effect of the sport.

"Clearly, there are a lot of hurdles to overcome," he told the BBC.

"We've seen how sport is globalising, we compete in the entertainment industry.

"This is a solidarity move where all 20 clubs want to do it. It benefits all of them and it's far better we all do it rather than allow single clubs to."

Gulati, the president of the US Soccer Federation, said he had read about the proposals but that his federation had yet to be approached by the Premier League.

"We had a similar proposal 10 years ago when a team playing in Los Angeles wanted to play in the Mexican league," he said.

"We didn't let that happen and Concacaf (the Confederation of North, Central American and Caribbean Association Football) said no.

"We understand it's a global sport but it's about nurturing the home game.

"If Fifa said 'OK, it's up to the relevant FA's,' then we would look at the Premier League proposal.

"But there are also some issues that we've got which would cause us to be very hesitant."


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If FA Cup or Carling Cup final then can be made
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I wouldn't mind having early season FA Cup or League Cup matches played. We could use them as friendlies. To hell with Championship and the levels down. They don't play in Europe, just compensate with the scheduling of league matches then but it'd be nice if footballers can skip the early pre-season friendlies with these early round Cup action.

Secondly, have the top 4 play one another to get home advantage in some sort of meaningless competition? I mean, in the US, that is all the league is all about. The real sports start in the Playoffs.
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Football's world governing body Fifa is not convinced by the Premier League's plans to play some games overseas, reports BBC sports editor Mihir Bose.

Fifa has received a letter from the Premier League to request a meeting to discuss the controversial proposals.

But Bose says Fifa wants the Football Association to get in touch before it can consider the plans.

"This indicates that many in the organisation are very lukewarm about the proposals," said Bose.

"A letter from the Premier League asking for the meeting arrived at Fifa's headquarters in Zurich on Wednesday.

"But a highly-placed Fifa source told me that it cannot consider such a letter unless it comes via the FA, which, as a national association, is a member of Fifa.

"Fifa is writing to the Premier League to ask them to contact the FA and get them to arrange a meeting."

The plans to play a 39th round of games in five different locations abroad from January 2011 has sparked widespread criticism.

And last weekend, Premier League chief executive Richard Scudamore defended the plans.

"Clearly, there are a lot of hurdles to overcome," he told Radio 5 Live's Sportsweek programme. "We've seen how sport's globalising, we compete in the entertainment industry.

"This is a solidarity move where all 20 clubs want to do it. It benefits all of them and it's far better we all do it rather than allow single clubs to."

Scudamore added on Sunday that no specific details had been presented to Fifa.

Asked if Fifa could put a stop to the proposals, Scudamore said: "I don't think their statutes currently cover this; we will talk it through with them.

"Why would we want to do it and upset everybody in the process? We wouldn't. We will have future meetings."

The Premier League chief, who insisted that FA Cup replays would not be scrapped if the extra league matches came to fruition, revealed that he had met Football Association counterpart Brian Barwick to discuss the plans.

"The FA can see the hurdles but they were supportive," he said.

"The spoils from the Premier League are shared down the football pyramid."

He confirmed that the matches were unlikely to be played in a European city, adding: "Clearly we're only going to go where we're welcome and not to places where there is fully developed professional football."

Scudamore was convinced that the plan to play Premier League matches would go ahead.

"I think it will, I think it's got a momentum and a huge amount of merit."

And he rejected the claim that one extra round of matches could lead to more.

"There are a whole lot of hurdles to overcome and a lot of work has to be done," he said.

"We don't do things radically but this is a strategic move, the time has come and we want to do it."

Liverpool and England striker Peter Crouch believes the idea is worth investigating but expressed his sympathy with supporters.

"The only problem is with the fans," he said, "It's going to be difficult for them to go wherever the games are played, and the game is about the fans."


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A former Premier League chief executive says he believes the controversial plan to take top-flight games overseas would "distort" the competition.

Peter Varney, chief executive at Championship side Charlton, says he is strongly opposed to the idea.

"I don't favour it - let's not kid ourselves, this is all about money," Varney told BBC Sport.

"This is a domestic league, it would distort the competition which is so well-regarded all over the world."

Varney believes the 20 Premier League clubs will vote for the proposal because of the money involved.

"This is not about taking the game to overseas fans and thinking that some people would like to see the Premier League in different regions of the world," he added.

"But clubs will vote for it because they are promised extra guarantees on their next television contract.

"They won't vote for it because they think they can help develop academies abroad and can put something back into the game."

Varney says many of the games may not even prove to be that successful in attracting spectators, if the plan ever came to fruition.

"The ordinary fan won't be able to travel to these games, when you talk about the Far East, the large air fares preclude that," he said.

"You'll probably get a large crowd for Liverpool v Manchester United, but with all due respect, if it was Wigan against Bolton, is that going to draw huge crowds? I don't think so."

Football League chairmen meet on Thursday, but it is not known whether the Premier League's overseas plans are on their agenda.


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The president of football's world governing body Fifa has told the BBC that plans by the Premier League to host games abroad will never happen.

Sepp Blatter also warned that the proposal could harm England's attempt to host the 2018 World Cup.

"This does not take into consideration the fans of the clubs and it gives the impression that they just want to go on tour to make some money," Blatter said.

"This will never happen, at least as long as I am the president of Fifa."

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should organise a world league then in case this proposal accepted by FIFA, luckily is not ...

boca travel to KL play with selangor ...

and flamengo travel to anfield play liverpool ...
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The G-14 has proposed a breakaway league before, called the Super League. However the focus is to tap on the Asian market which is the most lucrative.
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Portsmouth boss Harry Redknapp has become the latest manager to criticise the Premier League's 'hare-brained scheme' for a foreign round of fixtures.

Premier League chief executive Richard Scudamore has proposed to extend the season to 39 games from 2010/11 with each club playing an additional fixture overseas.

The 20 top flight clubs recently voted in favour of the plans but a number of managers - including Liverpool boss Rafa Benitez - have voiced their concerns, while Fifa president Sepp Blatter has vowed to block the idea.

And Pompey chief Redknapp, who takes his side to Preston in the fifth round of the FA Cup on Sunday, has now hit out at the proposal.

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"They (the Premier League) may try to stage a game on the moon. That way it would be outside Fifa's jurisdiction," Redknapp told the Sunday Mirror.  laugh.gif

"I think the Premier League had a responsibility to consult the people who really matter, like the supporters and the coaches.

"I'm wholly opposed to the idea - like a lot of managers are. I think people were guilty of going public with the hare-brained scheme and not giving it enough consideration.

"The supporters are no mugs. It's understandable that they are dead set against it. They know one game will become five and five will become 10."

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And Redknapp believes the increasing number of foreign owners of Premier League clubs, such as Pompey's French owner Alexandre Gaydamak, has made an influence

"There is no doubt whatsoever that foreign ownership has been a factor in all of this," added Redknapp.

"It was inevitable in a way that at some stage they would want to take football out of this country and see it played in their own backyard. And let's not kid ourselves, this is financially motivated.

"But I think they should just hold their hands up, admit they have got it horribly wrong - and move on."


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There's a kind of weird case. 38 games already consist one team is going to face another team twice. If 39, how are they going to draw? I would love to watch any game, even Derby vs Fulham if they played in Malaysia, but that would be really distort the league.
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If that happens, you can really kiss local football goodbye.
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If that happens, you can really kiss local football goodbye.
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Premier League chairman Sir Dave Richards has confirmed that the league is pressing ahead with its plans for the '39th game'.

The league confirmed earlier this month that they wanted to add an extra game to the top flight calendar in England. The plan would see all extra games (one each for every team) played abroad in various cities around the globe.

Reaction to the plans were mixed, but the likes of Fifa and the Asian Football Confederation were quick to denounce the scheme.

The Football Association have been lukewarm in their response, which has been unanimously backed by all 20 member clubs of the Premier League who have been enticed by the reputed £5million payment for the one game.

It was believed the plans would have to be shelved, but Richards insists that the Premier League are confident their scheme will get the backing of both the FA and Fifa once they have discussed their proposals in detail with them.

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Richards revealed that talks would commence with both the FA and Fifa in the coming weeks.

"We are going to the FA board meeting on Thursday and will go to Fifa the week after next to explain why we are doing this," Richards told the Daily Express.

"I believe when they see for themselves what it is about, Fifa might just say they have jumped the gun a little bit. They might just listen to us more sympathetically."

Richards feels FA chief Lord Triesman and his Fifa counterpart Sepp Blatter - who has already vented his fury at the plans - will give them a 'fair hearing'.

"I am sure we will be given a fair hearing by the new FA chairman Lord Triesman and I am equally sure Sepp Blatter will have a vastly different view once he has heard from us personally," he said.

Richards admitted that the Premier League could re-work their plans if need be.

"If the 39th games are not acceptable we shall have to devise a formula that is," he said.

"We will not do anything to harm or injure the integrity of our own league."


http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_3160850,00.html
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IN the long term , I think the so called glamour clubs will breal from their local leagues and FIFA and UEFA .

The world cup will be downgraded to a 2nd rate tounrnament - maybe for amateur talent.

That's if things continue as thye are and the money pndans keep their control on the game .
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The Football Association has rejected the Premier League's initial plans to play matches abroad.

The "39th game" proposal was discussed at a board meeting on Thursday where the FA told the Premier League to rethink its current plans.

"We haven't got what I would call a sustainable plan in front of us," said FA chairman Lord Triesman.

"The whole of the process requires some fresh thinking and some substantive answers to the questions I've posed."

He added: "If the Premier League have other proposals, I hope they come back with them relatively quickly."

However, Triesman has agreed to travel to Zurich with Premier League officials on 28 February to discuss the plan with Sepp Blatter, president of football's world governing body Fifa.

But BBC sports editor Mihir Bose understands that Premier League chief executive Richard Scudamore, who unveiled the radical plans for a round of "international" matches to be held in five cities across the world from 2011, will not receive the warmest of welcomes from Blatter.

"I am told that Richard Scudamore will get a very, very frosty response," said Bose. "Fifa is not at all happy with the Premier League, their blood is up on this."

Triesman said the Premier League had failed to answer the four issues he had outlined in Parliament earlier this week and that the rest of the board agreed with him.

"Firstly there are serious problems of congestion in the season," he said.

"I make it very clear that we would want to make sure that all of our own competitions can be played successfully, and that there isn't the usual overstretch that you get at that time of year which can have an impact on the England side.

"Secondly, I think that we have to make sure that our international relationships are in good shape; there are very many reasons for that, and the 2018 World Cup is one of those reasons.

"Third, there is bound to be continuing concern about whether the 39th game would change the symmetry of the competition or would introduce unfairness as it is perceived in the competition.

Of the potential threat to the 2018 World Cup bid, Bose added: "I understand Lord Triesman told the board meeting that England plan to launch their World Cup bid in May at the Fifa congress in Sydney.

"This would tactically be a shrewd move and the last thing he wants is to go to Sydney with plans to launch the bid and the questions he is asked are not how good are England and how they can stage the World Cup but about this 39th match."

Since Scudamore announced his plans there has been sporadic condemnation from football associations and cities touted as potential venues.

Triesman has noted the initial hostility and is keen to ensure any proposals meet the approval of all those concerned.

"It's also important to see that we're in a very difficult climate; people are very hostile and we've seen a great deal of that," he said.

"We have to try to ensure the football family as a whole feels more content with any proposal going forward."

On Tuesday, Scudamore said the plan was still alive, despite the widespread opposition.

He was also keen to meet with Blatter, who initially insisted the scheme would never get off the ground while he was in office.

"Clearly, we are not going to take this forward if it doesn't meet with some form of acquiescence from Fifa," said Scudamore.

"We were told we would have the opportunity to talk to the Fifa president about our proposal.

"I do not see how there can be speculation about the possible impact on the bid to stage the 2018 World Cup until this meeting has taken place."

That crucial meeting is set to take place in Zurich on Thursday 28 February.


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who's gonna pay a few hundred RM to watch Fulham v Birmingham anyway in Bkt Jalil?

Even the Premier League Cup a few years back in KL, when Chelsea became Chavski, the stadium wasn't even half full, more like 30% attendance oni...

Kinda stupid...
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is good for economic...can promote the tourism section and might as well earn money from the bidding process for BPL prize money...but i dun think it is a good idea...

 

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